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NSA whistleblower asks to testify (NY Slimes Leaker Surfaces)

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Posted by Captain America 2006-01-05 08:29|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Russ Tice, a whistleblower who was dismissed from the NSA last year

NB: He was fired after repeatedly making accusations that a co-worker was a Chinese spy. The co-worker was investigated and cleared.

Funny how Tice is a "whistleblower" while Linda Tripp was savaged for exposing Clinton's perjury.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2006-01-05 08:42|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-01-05 08:42|| Front Page Top

#2 It's kinda like losing your license to practice law or medicine. You may still call yourself a lawyer or a doc, but nobody will hire you. Go wacko and lose your access and guess what, you can still call yourself an analyst, but SCIF access is a real bitch. Shoot the bastard and be done with him.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-01-05 08:54|| 2006-01-05 08:54|| Front Page Top

#3 Whistleblowing is one thing. Leaking classified to to the NYT is treason. Send this ass to jail.

Posted by 49 pan">49 pan 2006-01-05 09:00|| 2006-01-05 09:00|| Front Page Top

#4 "I intend to report to Congress probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts conducted while I was an intelligence officer with the National Security Agency and with the Defense Intelligence Agency," Mr. Tice stated in the Dec. 16 letters,".
So this means that anytime any employee of any organization feels something is illegal, it is? This whole thing is based on probable unlawful acts? Of course this is coming from the MSM which has given us Katrina reporting and West Virginia coal mining reporting.

Posted by plainslow 2006-01-05 09:04|| 2006-01-05 09:04|| Front Page Top

#5 Wait a sec, maybe Tice can tell us what happened to Ron Brown or Vincent Foster.

Posted by wxjames 2006-01-05 09:45|| 2006-01-05 09:45|| Front Page Top

#6 he's trying to get immunity from congresscritters that'll protect him from his actions. Pelosi and Murtha and Reid would surely grant that in hopes that he could damage Bush, even if the monitoring was legal (which it is). They'd rather damage national security in hopes of scoring political points. Scumbags. Fortunately, they won't be deciding whether to grant immunity. Mr. Tice is sweating a Leavenworth cell

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-01-05 09:48|| 2006-01-05 09:48|| Front Page Top

#7 He's also hoping to become a media darling, courageous whistleblower telling all on the evil policies of BusHitler and Challiburton. Perhaps he hopes to win an acquittal in the court of public opinion. His chances might be higher if he hqad gone to Congress before going to the Slimes.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-01-05 09:57|| 2006-01-05 09:57|| Front Page Top

#8 He's also hoping to become a media darling, courageous whistleblower telling all on the evil policies of BusHitler and Challiburton. Perhaps he hopes to win an acquittal in the court of public opinion

and maybe some publicity for a book

Posted by mhw 2006-01-05 10:03|| 2006-01-05 10:03|| Front Page Top

#9 I repeated this in the other thread:
I think I warned you all about the LLL trotting out Russell Tice as their next patriot/traitor. Just for full disclosure Tice was removed from his NSA job after accusing a co-worker of spying. After it was determined that the co-worker was not a spy, Tice was forced to undergo a psych evaluation. After the evaluation Russ was diagnosed as paranoid delusional, this is a common symptom with people with depression. So to make this long story short (to late) Russ is a certified Moon Bat. Please OH PLEASE let him testify on behalf of the left in Congress, I will bet that at some time ole Russ will slip back and reveal his true LLL moonbat self in front of congress.

Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge 2006-01-05 10:08|| 2006-01-05 10:08|| Front Page Top

#10 I dont know this dont sound right more like a Decoy or Patsy. He wasnt part of the program and the NYT's did say sources confirmed.

Posted by C-Low 2006-01-05 10:11|| 2006-01-05 10:11|| Front Page Top

#11 It's seems an unsavory pattern of several agents having these "episodes", of ratting out our government.
We need to step up our screening for these guys/gals to get into this job. Not as severe as the BUDS program, but better than getting in because of who one knows possibly. It sure seems to be lacking in getting quality folks here.
As it only takes one bad apple....
Most importantly, we need to severely punish these "whistleblowers". Swiftly. Let it be known to anyone even remotely thinking about ratting us out, that we will snuff them out.
Better to have quality folks rather than have to worry about the media.

Posted by Jan 2006-01-05 10:29|| 2006-01-05 10:29|| Front Page Top

#12 CyberSarge, thanks for the tip on the article. Very helpful. You may want to upload it as a post.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-01-05 10:47|| 2006-01-05 10:47|| Front Page Top

#13 Atta is still alive?

Check out page for. Ed Epstein suggested as much when he questioned the flight to Portland, Maine.

Posted by rawsnacks 2006-01-05 10:48|| 2006-01-05 10:48|| Front Page Top

#14 I warned you all about the LLL trotting out Russell Tice as their next patriot/traitor. Just for full disclosure Tice was removed from his NSA job after accusing a co-worker of spying. After it was determined that the co-worker was not a spy, Tice was forced to undergo a psych evaluation. After the evaluation Russ was diagnosed as paranoid delusional, this is a common symptom with people with depression.

Is Karl Rove really this much of genius or is the left really this stupid? With all that's transpired since 2004 - I think the answer is obvious.

Posted by 2b 2006-01-05 10:52|| 2006-01-05 10:52|| Front Page Top

#15 So for TREASON, putting our nations safety at risk. Does the condemned man have a choice?

The last one being Saddahm's favorite...

Posted by BigEd 2006-01-05 10:52|| 2006-01-05 10:52|| Front Page Top

#16 If Mr. Tice is in Leavenworth, how is he able to communicate with NYT stooges?

Posted by trailing wife 2006-01-05 11:10|| 2006-01-05 11:10|| Front Page Top

#17 So this means that anytime any employee of any organization feels something is illegal, it is? This whole thing is based on probable unlawful acts?

Isn't there a chain of command to follow when a problem arises, and if no satisfaction is to be had in the process, either live with it or quit?

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2006-01-05 11:53|| 2006-01-05 11:53|| Front Page Top

#18 LOL BigEd

How much treason could a Wood chipper chip

Posted by RD Angleton 2006-01-05 11:57|| 2006-01-05 11:57|| Front Page Top

#19 Rumor has it, the whistleblower act he testified under was NOT about the program, but about a coworker being a spy, which turned out to be unproven and improbable (i.e. the person didnt lose their job). His harassment after the fact probably cost him his job.

The NSA is not exempt from having self righteous pricks, and this guy sounds like one.

Mr. Tice said yesterday that he was not part of the intercept program.

So - he was not in the program, and knowing the NSA, this was probably compartmentalized all to hell. So what security breach did he commit to access material he had no "need to know"? Or is he talking hearsay and innuendo? Either way he broke law: improper access to classifed, or perjury before congress.

makes it legal for intelligence officials to disclose wrongdoing without being punished

This does NOT exonerate him from leaking the data to the NYT. If he did so, he comitted a crime under U.S.C. 18 s 768.

One other thing: check his background. This guy is a walking s**tstick, and I'll be gald when they prosecute him and lock him up with the Walkers and Hanassen. He is costing US lives.

(Glad its not the CIA for once).

Posted by Oldspook 2006-01-05 12:16|| 2006-01-05 12:16|| Front Page Top

#20 Heh - someone DID check his background and foudn what I was talking about (I didn't know if it was unclassified or not - it was "RUMINT")

They get on the psychiatry stuff, the Dems will drop him like a hot potato.

NYT and the Dims are going to be eating it bigtime on this: they are going on the word of a psychotic paranoid disgrunteled ex-employee.

Apparently the Dems and NYT will accept anythign uncritically as long as it agress with thier "bush is evil" world view - they didnt even bother to check this guy out sufficiently!

Im going to be laughing my ass off!

Posted by Oldspook 2006-01-05 12:20|| 2006-01-05 12:20|| Front Page Top

#21 Rush is saying Tice has ties to...Joe Wilson & Co.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-01-05 12:20|| 2006-01-05 12:20|| Front Page Top

#22 oooh...nimble. That's interesting. I've been thinking for some time that we have a group, very high up in the intelligence committee that has been working against our interests. Saddam and Osama always getting the heads up moments in advance of strikes, etc.

If Tice indeed has ties to Wilson and Co, it may be that this group's connections and their abuse of power is about to become exposed.

I think lots of these people are going to be just ordinary guys who abuse their power because they believe their motives are pure. Funny how as much things change, they stay the same. In the sixties - the CIA was accused of abusing power for political purposes - and the left was all over it. Now they support it. Sheesh.

This could be big - but it will be 20 years before it all gets sorted out.

Posted by 2b 2006-01-05 12:33|| 2006-01-05 12:33|| Front Page Top

#23 OS, He is a raving loon on par with Bill Burkett (or Guard memos fame). The picture at the link is a classic "I am a spy" photo op that NOBODY ever takes at the Agency unless it is for comedic purposes. All, yes NSA has all kinds of safeguards and operators get an annual briefing about not intercepting U.S. person and the law. If it were illegal there would have been a stampede of employees coming forth from the agency and not a single clinically depressed ex-employee. P.S. I worked there 1983-1988.

Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge 2006-01-05 12:44|| 2006-01-05 12:44|| Front Page Top

#24 That photo from inside the Crypto Mueseum? What a wiennie....

Posted by TomAnon 2006-01-05 13:02|| 2006-01-05 13:02|| Front Page Top

#25 Rush's soucer was The American Thinker blog. It is swamped, so here is the excerpt:

More significantly, Tice is a member of a group formed in August 2004 called National Security Whistleblowers. Hereâs their website.

But if you look at the NSW group you may notice that the founder, director and chief spokesperson of the group is Sibel Edmunds. She has faced a real uphill battle in her struggle with the FBI, which dismissed her. And her story about why she was fired from the FBI has a number of variations, although she, like Wilson/Plame, numbers among the darlings of the Bushitler crowd.

Then look at the groupâs list of members. Along with more familiar names like Daniel Ellsburg, youâll see Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer on the list. Youâll also find Ray McGovern and Larry Johnson. These are members of VIPS, the group that encouraged intelligence agents to leak, shopped Wilson and his story (Johnson was in the agency with Plame and is close to her.) As I noted earlier here, they seem to have been behind much of the Plame/Wilson story. I smell the same public relations/media campaign .The same phony claims of maltreated government employees. If Tice was a source for Risen, and itâs not clear he was, the reporter was certainly casting a broad net. For as Mr. Gertz notes in his article:

âMr. Tice said yesterday that he was not part of the intercept program.â

The only significant difference between the original Plame/Wilson scandal and the revival at NSA is that the same folks who moaned about a major intelligence breach that had to be punished when Valerie Wilsonâs desk job at the CIA hit print are now openly supporting a leaker and claiming he is entitled to protections â even though he hasnât gone through the channels established by law. Clarice Feldman 1 05 06

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-01-05 13:03|| 2006-01-05 13:03|| Front Page Top

#26 "The president's current posturing is a Kubler-Ross twofer, combining both denial and anger in one handy stage-straddling step. It allows him to deny that what he did was wrong and illegal while simultaneously venting his anger on the enemy. No, not al Qaeda -- but the spy program whistleblower.

It's Classic Bush: challenge him and find yourself targeted for aiding and abetting the enemy. "The fact that somebody leaked this program causes great harm to the United States," he told reporters ominously. "There's an enemy out there. They read newspapers, they listen to what you write, they listen to what you put on the air, and they react."

Which is really the underlying strategy of the president's aggressive defense: the hope that by replaying his effective use of the Fear Factor, he can undercut the planned congressional investigations into the legality of his actions and shift the focus to identifying who let the spy cat out of the black bag. In Bushlandia, you see, undermining the Constitution isn't what "causes great harm to the United States"; it's the public finding out that you are undermining the Constitution that does.

But coming on strong only to eventually retreat in the face of insistent pushback is also Classic Bush. But only if the pushback is really insistent -- and especially if it's coming from members of his own party."

Arianna Huffington

Posted by Grand Am 2006-01-05 13:04|| 2006-01-05 13:04|| Front Page Top

#27 Better still the moonbat did an interview on Democracy Now which he claims: "I'm involved with some certain aspects of the intelligence community, which are very closely held, and I believe I have seen some things that are illegal." Check me but doesn't he do a 180 when interviewed by Katie? Also he claims some pretty outlandish stuff that I am sure was the reason he was sent to the shrink for an eval. Oh that Karl Rove is just a friggin genius!

Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge 2006-01-05 13:14|| 2006-01-05 13:14|| Front Page Top

#28 Always good to hear from the Liza Minnelli of the blogosphere...Arianna Huffington.

Posted by tu3031 2006-01-05 13:16|| 2006-01-05 13:16|| Front Page Top

#29 The problem with the left is just they are such a massive, freaking, bunch of loons. Who in their right mind would take Arianna Huffington seriously. It's like listening to Zha Zha (SP?) Gabor for financial or political advice. (Ok...maybe some financial advice from Zha, Zha would be good - ie: Marry a rich man and take his money - but other than that :-)

The leaders of the left have become such a joke. What is amazing to me is how dedicated their following of over 50's boomers is and the amount of hypocrisy they are willing to tolerate and explain away. It's like they need the left to hold onto the sixties and thus their youth...or something.

Posted by 2b 2006-01-05 13:19|| 2006-01-05 13:19|| Front Page Top

#30 And for the record..I know that not all boomers are loons - in fact most are not. I'm just referring to those who are.

Posted by 2b 2006-01-05 13:20|| 2006-01-05 13:20|| Front Page Top

#31 C Low and Old Spook are right.

This latest crap has nothing to do with the NY Times.

"Mr. Tice said yesterday that he was not part of the intercept program."

This is just all too convenient timing. Takes some of the heat off the NY Slimes. I can't wait for Dems to start falling all over themselves demanding a Congressional investigation into Tice's allegations.

Odds are 1 to 10 that Schumer is first.

Posted by danking_70 2006-01-05 13:22|| 2006-01-05 13:22|| Front Page Top

#32 Tice can blow me. I prefer a gentle waterboarding followed by the rack and a necktie.

Watch Risen's book take a nose dive after it is publicly known that Tice is a freakin loon.

Posted by Captain America 2006-01-05 15:06|| 2006-01-05 15:06|| Front Page Top

#33 Captain America's Typical RNC Slime Machine tactics:

"Attack the Messenger, NOT the Message"

Posted by Grand Am 2006-01-05 15:14|| 2006-01-05 15:14|| Front Page Top

#34 Well look who's back...

Posted by tu3031 2006-01-05 15:37|| 2006-01-05 15:37|| Front Page Top

#35 Nah, more of the Messenger being allegedly a nut AND the Message (whether or not he's a nut -- not dependent on the answer to that) wrong.

Posted by Edward Yee 2006-01-05 15:41|| http://edwardyee.fanworks.net]">[http://edwardyee.fanworks.net] 2006-01-05 15:41|| Front Page Top

#36 tu:

where is everybody today? Was there a server problem or something?

Posted by Grand Am 2006-01-05 15:45|| 2006-01-05 15:45|| Front Page Top

#37 That's kinda of what I was thinking TU. Just leave it alone....

Posted by TomAnon 2006-01-05 15:49|| 2006-01-05 15:49|| Front Page Top

#38 It's hard to testify from jail which is where this mental case belongs. He should be picked up at once and held while an investigation is done into everyone he has had contact with since he was let go and what he told them. We are at war. Our Justice Department needs to start acting like it when it comes to leakers.

Posted by Sock Puppet OÂ´ Doom 2006-01-05 15:53|| 2006-01-05 15:53|| Front Page Top

#39 If you ask me all the democratic leaders are loons. Watch the MSM Tice into somekind of
hero. Anything to damage President Bush.

Posted by Right Of Center 2006-01-05 16:02|| 2006-01-05 16:02|| Front Page Top

#40 Sometimes, terpsboy sez it best.

Posted by .com 2006-01-05 17:45|| 2006-01-05 17:45|| Front Page Top

#41 Now that the President has admitted to wiretapping without warrants, it doesn't matter whether Tice blows goats or not. The question now is whether the Constitution applies just because someone in the government says you're a "bad person". Even when you support Bush on other fronts, it's worthwhile to roll words like "Ruby Ridge" and "Waco" around in your mind before answering that question.

Posted by CTD 2006-01-05 21:14|| 2006-01-05 21:14|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-01-05 21:28|| 2006-01-05 21:28|| Front Page Top

#43 Let me guess... CTD = Cassini ToDay?

Posted by Darrell 2006-01-05 21:30|| 2006-01-05 21:30|| Front Page Top

#44 Nah, terpsboy said it better. Roll those around in your mind, instead.

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