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2006-04-28 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by ryuge 2006-04-28 07:15|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 There is dignity in death, we should give them what they want the most.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2006-04-28 10:19|| 2006-04-28 10:19|| Front Page Top

#2 I read it a little differently. He's suggesting that when we deal with them, whatever we concede has to be magnified so that they can feel like they're powerful and important. It doesn't matter if the concession was just a sop, if they can feel like they got the better of us somehow, they'll be more likely to keep the bargain. We have to understand their position and culture well enough to make the spin plausible.
But that's part of the negotiator's job.

Posted by James">James 2006-04-28 10:25|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com] 2006-04-28 10:25|| Front Page Top

#3 But James,

I missed the part where they ever concede anything. It's always "if we give in just a little more...just make it sound like a bigger concession on our part..."

Correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't that a dictionary definition of appeasement?

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2006-04-28 10:35|| 2006-04-28 10:35|| Front Page Top

#4 I would be willing to give more than take with trade deals with Iraqis and such. But, with Iran and nukes, they should see little to no talk and fire and their blood. The message being, we will work with you and give you an advantage if you work peacefully with us. Fuck with us, and you are doomed.

Posted by DarthVader 2006-04-28 10:58|| 2006-04-28 10:58|| Front Page Top

#5 This guy is a racist. Who are "The Mulims"? Why shouldthey have dignity but not the other people who live in the Middle East?

And how does a group that includes individuals of every shape, size and fault obtain diginity? Do the Anglo-Saxons have dignity? How about the French and Germans? How about the Germans living in America?

If they want dignity, they should work elp other people. There's way too little of that going on over there. Until there is, they will never get enough dignity from us, no matter how much we give them.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-04-28 11:14|| 2006-04-28 11:14|| Front Page Top

#6 you can't give them dignity - they have to earn it, and so far, *ptui*, they've lost more than they've earned

Posted by Frank G 2006-04-28 11:34|| 2006-04-28 11:34|| Front Page Top

#7 AlanC: True, I made the unwarranted assumption that State would be working on our behalf and not to some internal political end. I was thinking more along the lines of how a successor to a recently departed Ahmadinejad could claim that allowing surprise US nuclear inspectors was a victory for Islam.

Posted by James">James 2006-04-28 15:43|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com] 2006-04-28 15:43|| Front Page Top

#8 But how do you resolve a confrontation with an adversary that appears unable or unwilling to negotiate a settlement?

You do what has been done throughout history. You kill them. If not all of them, a sufficient number whereby they are persuaded from further resistance or interference. Only with the advent of modern weapons have we been given an option like we had at Hiroshima.

There, we demonstrated our resolve to kill the enemy in sufficient quantity on a continuing basis to where a nation was made to see reason. This is much less likely with any of the Arab countries, but the process needs to begin. Waiting for some trigger event like a terrorist nuclear attack on one of our cities is worse than stupid.

We must start by breaking Iran. A continued succession of shattered rogue nations must follow in their wake. There are no more options. We are up against an enemy of such intransigence that there is no hope of anything but blunt trauma and brute force winning the day.

Posted by Zenster 2006-04-28 16:42|| 2006-04-28 16:42|| Front Page Top

#9 But how do you resolve a confrontation with an adversary that appears unable or unwilling to negotiate a settlement?

Ask the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-04-28 21:47|| 2006-04-28 21:47|| Front Page Top

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