Article

2006-08-08 Home Front: WoT

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by lotp 2006-08-08 08:49|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Contestant: Alex, I'll take "Stupidity in the US State Department for $100."

Alex: OK. "Disappear into the US on a legal Student Visa to reappear as a homicide bomber!"

Contestant: Alex, What is, "How do AQ operatives get into the US 5 years after 9/11 to raise He**?"

Alex: correct.

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2006-08-08 09:42|| 2006-08-08 09:42|| Front Page Top

#2 And of course the question is, why the hell are we still giving out student visas to these countries?

Oh ya. Dumb ass, foggy bottomed, liberal jackassed state department.

Burn the damn building to the ground with everyone in it, since they now have even more american blood on their hands.

Goddamn traitors.

Posted by DarthVader 2006-08-08 10:13|| 2006-08-08 10:13|| Front Page Top

#3 And how does Condi get a free pass on all of this...?

Posted by JSU 2006-08-08 10:57|| 2006-08-08 10:57|| Front Page Top

#4 Oh ya. Dumb ass, foggy bottomed, liberal jackassed state department.

Not just them, but also universities and colleges who are more concerned about their bottom line than America. Not surprising given the amount of Anti-Americanism that is promoted in both those institutions.

Posted by Snaviting Angulet5501 2006-08-08 11:03|| 2006-08-08 11:03|| Front Page Top

#5 "Calling all cars! Calling all cars!" Be on the lookout for eleven men with characteristics typical of young Egyuhmer characteristics typical of young men
"Uh, Chief, whats their description?"
"We can't tell you that, that would be profiling and it would violate their rights. But be on the lookout!"

Posted by DepotGuy 2006-08-08 11:14|| 2006-08-08 11:14|| Front Page Top

#6 Maybe they were gonna study goats. Ya know, Montana's full of "wildlife," lol.

Of course, I think they should be detained forever for not having met the terms of their "student visas". We have GOT to take these threats seriously, and the student visa entry point is one we need to shut down ASAP (at least to select nationals).

Posted by BA 2006-08-08 11:26|| 2006-08-08 11:26|| Front Page Top

#7 A comment from underneath the article.

Why shouldn't the photos and names of these "students" be listed and available to the public? If Homeland Security can take away the privacy rights of U.S. citizens why should these people have preferential treatment? I say to the F.B.I. FIND THEM and find out who sponsered them and follow the money trail!

It is well past time that names and pictures of such people be public knowledge.

Posted by Dale Gribble 2006-08-08 13:23|| 2006-08-08 13:23|| Front Page Top

#8 stooooopid.

Posted by newc">newc 2006-08-08 14:22|| 2006-08-08 14:22|| Front Page Top

#9 newc:

stoopid, see "stuck on".

Posted by BA 2006-08-08 14:46|| 2006-08-08 14:46|| Front Page Top

#10 And of course the question is, why the hell are we still giving out student visas to these countries?

That question leapt to mind for me as well, DV. Countries with major terrorism problems should be subject to intense scrutiny with respect to visa issuance. Short of radio collar tracking, there are few ways to ensure that individuals remain available for interview and deportation subsequent to visa expiration.

Substantial monetary bonds are not the answer in that terror groups would happily sacrifice the funds to insert operatives. As always, the Muslim pratice of taqiya makes any and all efforts ineffectual. Our government needs to better understand the exact nature of the threat we face due to Islamism. Currently, they do not and Americans routinely are placed in harm's way due to this.

Short of an outright ban on issuing visas to all nations with Islamic majorities, it is hard to envision what other measures would be of substantial use. I'm confident there would be a large number of individuals (including some here) who would argue that such an approach could only serve to further alienate our Middle East allies.

Personally, I would see such a restriction as one more solid object lesson in the penalties faced by nations that countenance terrorist operations (specifically Islamist) in their midst. Why America should reward such countries by giving their populations access to our superior educational systems and technical on-the-job training when we face internal attack by their less savory elements is beyond me.

Posted by Zenster 2006-08-08 15:41|| 2006-08-08 15:41|| Front Page Top

#11 Umm The ~~New York~~ BinLaden Times of course has not been spilling the beans publically, aided by Clintonista CIA moles traitorous to the USA.

BTW : Here are the 11 :

Ibrahim El Sayed Ahmed Elsayed 4/29/86 20
El Dessouki Eslam Ibrahim Mohamed 2/21/85 21
El Bahnasawi Alaa Abd El Fattah Ali 4/2/86 20
Abd Alla Mohamed Ragab Mohamed 2/15/84 22
El Laket Ahmed Refaat Saad El Moghazi 9/1/86 19
El Ela Ahmed Mohamed Mohamed Abou 2/2/85 21
El Moghazy Mohamed Ibrahim Elsayed 8/8/86 20
Abdou Ebrahim Mabrouk Moustafa 2/25/84 22
El Gafary Moustafa Wagdy Moustafa 7/1/88 18
Maray Mohamed Saleh Ahmed 9/12/85 20
El Shenawy Mohamed Ibrahim Fouaad 8/12/88 17

Now lets do some basic detective work :

Its called Google.

Google search on #1, above - Ibrahim El Sayed Ahmed Elsayed...and guess what comes up. Another fellow in France with the name all the same except the first Name... Ayman El Sayed Ahmed Elsayed...Is this guy with the website an older brother?

http://www.inrialpes.fr/planete/people/elsayed/

Hello Homeland Security? Is anyone there?
Anyone curious about such a connection?
Has anyone talked to Ayman?...

Posted by BigEd 2006-08-08 15:42|| 2006-08-08 15:42|| Front Page Top

#12 This is a symptom of a larger problem.

An Iranian runs down students at UNC and it's not terrorism.

A Pakiwaki shoots Jewish women in a Jewish Community center because he's mad abbout Israel and it's not terrorism.

An Egyptian shoots employees at the El Al counter and it's not terrorism.

Mel Gibson shoots his mouth off while drunk, and it's non-stop hate crime time.

We doubled the number of student visas from Saudi Arabia this year. (Anyone remember Visa Express?)

I think a large part of the country is stuck on stupid.

Posted by SR-71 2006-08-08 15:45|| 2006-08-08 15:45|| Front Page Top

#13 Once again the FBI is left with a massive recovery to cover a State Department screw up.
I would love to see the FBI director do a full blown rant on the MSM chewing out the head of the State Department. Maybe the SD would awaken just a tad.

Posted by wxjames 2006-08-08 16:11|| 2006-08-08 16:11|| Front Page Top

#14 An Iranian runs down students at UNC and it's not terrorism.

A Pakiwaki shoots Jewish women in a Jewish Community center because he's mad abbout Israel and it's not terrorism.

An Egyptian shoots employees at the El Al counter and it's not terrorism.

Mel Gibson shoots his mouth off while drunk, and it's non-stop hate crime time.

We doubled the number of student visas from Saudi Arabia this year. (Anyone remember Visa Express?)

I think a large part of the country is stuck on stupid.

Four outta five ain't bad, SR-71, but you're way off base with Mel Gibson. Alcohol never does any talking. It lowers inhibitions a person might have with respect to any well-submerged feelings they maintain, but alcohol never speaks on its own.

Mel Gibson enjoys an unusual degree of purported credibility as a major celebrity. His previous film came dangerously close to perpetuating the ancient blood-libel against the Jews and his spouting off while being arrested now seems to bear this out. I urge you to connect the dots. Remember, Gibson's father is well-known for his Holocaust denial.

As to the other four, you are absolutely correct and this country's media bears direct responsibility for obsfucating the material nature and consistent pattern of Islamist hate crimes against peaceful American citizens.

Finally, good catch BigEd. Five years ago our nation was attacked by those who chose to overstay their visas. Why our population should not be made immediately aware of another round of potential assailants is beyond me. These names should be spread far and wide so that law enforcement and service industry employees can be alerted to their presence.

Posted by Zenster 2006-08-08 16:20|| 2006-08-08 16:20|| Front Page Top

#15 Recently saw where two university with which I am familiar initiated programs on "internationalism." This is another name for multiculturalism. Many universities are doing this. Since universities generally cap enrollment, I can only assume that U.S. citizens are getting frozen out of professor and student slots.

If we are at war with the islamofacists, then every facet of this war must be waged. The hell with them filling student and professor slots. Taxpayers are helping to subsidize them only to have them turn around an plot 911s. Screw them. This is idiotic and dangerous. We need to get smarter and not be stuck on stupid.

Posted by JohnQC 2006-08-08 16:43|| 2006-08-08 16:43|| Front Page Top

#16 Zenster,

I have to respectfully disagree with you on the alcohol thing. I've known some alkies who, while not resorting to racist rants, will say some pretty vicious and untrue things simply for effect. It doesn't mean they actually believe it. They're simply out to hurt the other person with whatever comes to hand.

As Jonah Goldberg pointed out, if alcohol were truth serum then Andrew Sullivan could untwist his panties over waterboarding at Gitmo while we served the scum there a dozen Cosmopolitans.

That said, who knows? Maybe Mel is an anti-Semite. As you pointed out, he was brought up by a wacky father.

Posted by JDB 2006-08-08 17:23|| 2006-08-08 17:23|| Front Page Top

#17 PS-Watch the mosques and titty bars for those missing 11.

Posted by JDB 2006-08-08 17:24|| 2006-08-08 17:24|| Front Page Top

#18 Just in time for-
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm

Posted by plainslow 2006-08-08 17:57|| 2006-08-08 17:57|| Front Page Top

#19 Sorry but I am an alcoholic been clean for 20 years and I been so drunk I didn't even know what my name was and could have said anything and would have never remembered it.

Posted by djohn66 2006-08-08 17:57|| 2006-08-08 17:57|| Front Page Top

#20 I still call bullshit on the POTC being antisemite. If you know anything about the bible - Jesus was preordained to die for our sins. The Romans and Jewish powerbrokers simply did their part. As a Catholic I wouldn't be Christian to hold those events against our Jewish friends, neighbors, and allies.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-08-08 18:13|| 2006-08-08 18:13|| Front Page Top

#21 Zenster, if you don't see the difference between Mel Gibson and the other cases I cite, I can't help you.

Mel spoke hatefully and stupidly. No one I know gets moral or religious instruction from a drunken Hollywood actor. These others atempted to or succeeded in killing people.

The point is the stupid media, Homeland Security, the FBI,... are all unable or unwilling to admit what is operating here.

Posted by SR-71 2006-08-08 18:15|| 2006-08-08 18:15|| Front Page Top

#22 djohn66, congratulations and keep it up.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-08 18:22|| 2006-08-08 18:22|| Front Page Top

#23 Homeland Security should be posting photos, names, etc. on the internet for these 11 - they need to be found right away. As in "before August 22", for instance. This has all the indications of being really serious. There MAY be an innocent explanation, but it will take a whole lot to convince me. And 'deportation' should not be the first choice if they are found and cannot satisfactorily explain themselves - unless you drop them off at 30,000 feet and let Allan catch them.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2006-08-08 18:33|| 2006-08-08 18:33|| Front Page Top

#24 I believe that Homeland Secrurity is so wracked with political correctness that they cannot come to grips with the problem. If this is true, they are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Posted by SR-71 2006-08-08 18:45|| 2006-08-08 18:45|| Front Page Top

#25 Long time no hear SR. On spot as always.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-08-08 18:53|| 2006-08-08 18:53|| Front Page Top

#26
"I think a large part of the country is stuck on stupid."

I used to believe that, not anymore. When it comes to the State Dept., I think they know exactly what they are doing. They're helping their allies.

"Four outta five ain't bad, SR-71, but you're way off base with Mel Gibson."

No. You are missing his point. His first four bullet-points might as well earn crickets chirping, but let a drunken actor shoot his mouth off and the media holds a circus.

The media actively supports our nations enemies, the DoS actively supports our nations enemies while simultaneously treating us as though we're stupid, and our politicians stand around with their thumbs up their ass.

It looks to me like someone is waiting for something bad to happen. I still believe and say that we're going to have to take these assclowns to the woodshed! Media, State and our elected representatives. Soon.

-M

Posted by Manolo 2006-08-08 18:54|| 2006-08-08 18:54|| Front Page Top

#27
Oh, and I forgot the Academic Establishment as well!

-M

Posted by Manolo 2006-08-08 18:55|| 2006-08-08 18:55|| Front Page Top

#28 Both points are true of Mel Gibson.
Zenster is right. His Aalcohol/truth serum rant seemingly proves the biaas contained in a movie that has become a religious icon, tainting otherwise decent folk.
and at the same time he is just a hoolywood actor s77tfacedly running his mnouth and hardly worth all that media time compared to actual events.

PS. I think they could use Alcohol as truth serum, but people who don''t ordinarily drink will get sick before they get to that point, so you'd have to work them up to it.

Posted by j. D. Lux 2006-08-08 19:06|| 2006-08-08 19:06|| Front Page Top

#29 Mines a Guiness !

Posted by Mel 2006-08-08 19:18|| 2006-08-08 19:18|| Front Page Top

#30 No moore guinness for you !
MAnishewitz.
hmmmmmmm....
come to think of it MAnishewitz might work at gitmo too.
Don't be wasting that Shapiro's tho'.

Posted by J. D. Lux 2006-08-08 19:39|| 2006-08-08 19:39|| Front Page Top

#31 I saw at least 4 of those camel dudes, in white robes and standing by a nuke plant. Boys will be boys.

The August 22 crap is making me nervous.

Posted by Snease Shaiting3550 2006-08-08 19:47|| 2006-08-08 19:47|| Front Page Top

#32 The August 22 crap is making me nervous.

You've got company.

Posted by J. D. Lux 2006-08-08 19:49|| 2006-08-08 19:49|| Front Page Top

#33 you mean the post Aug 20th strike crap makes you nervous? :-)

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-08-08 19:51|| 2006-08-08 19:51|| Front Page Top

#34 Give em bacon

Posted by Mel 2006-08-08 19:54|| 2006-08-08 19:54|| Front Page Top

#35 Did you know djinn week is in August ?

Posted by Mel 2006-08-08 20:13|| 2006-08-08 20:13|| Front Page Top

#36 August 22 was my dad's birthday.
Any chance of chucking one on Mindanao in his honor ?

Posted by J. D. Lux 2006-08-08 20:15|| 2006-08-08 20:15|| Front Page Top

#37 The August 22 crap is making me nervous.

How will you feel on 8/23 when nothing's happened?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-08 20:21|| 2006-08-08 20:21|| Front Page Top

#38 Did you know 23 is a "magic" number

Posted by Mel 2006-08-08 20:29|| 2006-08-08 20:29|| Front Page Top

#39 How will you feel on 8/23 when nothing's happened?

If nothing happens but nothing changes not that much better.

Posted by J. D. Lux 2006-08-08 20:51|| 2006-08-08 20:51|| Front Page Top

#40 I'll give 'em a hint. Start checking businesses run by Egyptian immigrants in the Northeast - motels, distributorships, restaurants, etc. Lots of 'students' work under the table at these places during their stay.

Posted by Pappy 2006-08-08 20:54|| 2006-08-08 20:54|| Front Page Top

#41 Ditto #39...

Posted by at 2006-08-08 21:10|| 2006-08-08 21:10|| Front Page Top

03:17 T
00:01 JosephMendiola
23:59 CrazyFool
23:47 trailing wife
23:45 trailing wife
23:43 CrazyFool
23:43 trailing wife
23:43 gromgoru
23:36 SamAdamsky
23:32 anonymous2u
23:31 Fred
23:31 Spavigum Glinens9851
23:27 JosephMendiola
23:21 anonymous2u
23:19 JosephMendiola
23:18 SamAdamsky
23:18 trailing wife
23:05 J. D. Lux
23:03 SamAdamsky
23:02 Dreadnought
22:56 J. D. Lux
22:55 twobyfour
22:45 trailing wife
22:36 CrazyFool