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2006-09-08 Fifth Column

Myth of the Moderate Muslim: Advocating Containment of Islam -- Fjordman's latest

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Posted by Ulelet Uniting8249 2006-09-08 17:51|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The Kentucky office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations has been conducting sensitivity training for FBI agents in Lexington, examining common stereotypes of Islam and Muslims, and ways in which to improve interactions with the Muslim community.

Ah yes, sensitivity training. Just the ticket for the unenlightened bumbling, dejected TV sitcom Anglo male. This delightful egalitarian pablum was established for protected classes of citizens long, long ago. It was birthed decades before the Muslim or terrorist issues came to the fore. It was a flawed concept then, and remains a dangerously flawed concept now. The only diffence today is the stakes are a bit higher and it's many warts can no longer be hidden. It's no longer about re-education and simple accommodation, but rather the survival of western culture.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-09-08 20:08|| 2006-09-08 20:08|| Front Page Top

#2 MANDATORY READING

Some of the (many) money lines:

Professor Walid Phares gives an explanation of such religious deception, part and parcel of Jihad while Muslims are in a weaker position: Al-Taqiya, from the verb Ittaqu, means linguistically dodge the threat. Politically it means simulate whatever status you need in order to win the war against the enemy. According to Al-Taqiya, Muslims were granted the Shariya (legitimacy) to infiltrate the Dar el-Harb (war zone), infiltrate the enemys cities and forums and plant the seeds of discord and sedition.

These agents were acting on behalf of the Muslim authority at war, and therefore were not considered as lying or denouncing the tenets of Islam. They were legitimate mujahedeen [holy warriors], whose mission was to undermine the enemys resistance and level of mobilization. One of their major objectives was to cause a split among the enemys camp. In many instances, they convinced their targeted audiences that Jihad is not aimed at them.

This deception has a civilizational, global dimension versus the narrow state interest of the regular Western subversive methods. The uniqueness of todays Taqiya is its success within advanced and sophisticated societies. Taqiya is winning massively because of the immense lack of knowledge among Western elites, both Jewish and Christian.

How can we ever trust assurances from self-proclaimed moderate Muslims when deception of non-Muslims is so widespread, and lying to infidels is an accepted and established way of hiding Islamic goals? The answer, with all its difficult implications, is: We cant.

The Arab goal, Habash declared, was to wage war against Europe and America and to ensure that henceforth there would be no peace for the West.

What is a moderate Muslim? In 2003, the Associated Press touted as a moderate a cleric who told Saudi radio that terrorist attacks in his capital violated the sanctity of Ramadan. Leading government cleric Sheikh Saleh Al-Fawzan was a member of the Senior Council of Clerics, Saudi Arabias highest religious body. He was also the author of the religious books used to teach 5 million Saudi students, both within the country and in Saudi schools abroad including those in Washington, D.C. Slavery is a part of Islam, he said in one tape, adding: Slavery is part of jihad, and jihad will remain as long there is Islam. A moderate Muslim by Saudi standards is thus a person who wants to reinstate slavery in the 21st century.

The most civilized thing we can do in order to save ourselves as a civilization, but also to limit the loss of life among both Muslims and non-Muslims in what increasingly looks like a world war, is for Westerners and indeed non-Muslims in general to implement a policy of containment of the Islamic world, as suggested by Mr. Fitzgerald. This includes completely stopping Muslim immigration, but also by making our countries Islam-unfriendly, thus presenting the Muslims already here between the options of adapting to our societies or leaving if they desire sharia law. Even whispering about Jihad should be grounds for expulsion and revoking citizenship.

I now join .com in whole-heartedly advocating, "fry 'em up".

If Islam cannot genuinely reform itself, it must be either contained or exterminated. As David D. observed:

Options in the War on Islamic Terrorism

1. SURRENDER: Islam's stated mission-- and to them, their manifest destiny-- is to convert the entire world to Islam; we could dispense with this entire war just by becoming Muslims and being done with it.

2. APPEASEMENT: Buy them off by giving them what they want.

3. IGNORE IT: Just ignore atrocities like the Islamic attacks on 9/11 and in Madrid, London, Bali, Israel and Beslan.

4. ISOLATION: Withdraw from the rest of the world and its troubles, keep our heads down and a low profile.

5. CRIMINAL PROSECUTION: Hunt down the terrorists who attack us and prosecute them for their crimes-- but only after they've committed them. And only if the ACLU lets us.

6. INTRUSIVE DOMESTIC SECURITY: We could prevent terrorist attacks by turning America into a police state, with intrusive government monitoring of all aspects of our lives and suspension of habeus corpus. Anyone even suspected of terrorist activity or sympathies, simply disappears in the middle of the night.

7. LIBERATION & REFORM: What we're doing now in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is trying to see if Arab/Islamic society can be detoxified by introducing democratic self-governance. Maybe it can; maybe it can't. We'll see. So far the results don't look very promising.

8. CONQUEST & SUBJUGATION: Invade their countries, assassinate their political and religious leaders, outlaw Islam and bulldoze their mosques, and rule them with an iron fist.

9. COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT: Respond to terrorist attacks on American soil with extravagantly disproportionate retaliation against their cities and their infrastructure. Repeated often enough, this will eventually lead to deterrence.

10. EXPULSION & QUARANTINE: Outlaw Islam within the U.S. and expel all Muslims, citizens or not. Forbid entry into the U.S.-- even for brief visits-- to all Muslims regardless of country of origin, and all nationals of whatever religion from countries that are predominantly Muslim. Seal the Canadian and Mexican borders tight with orders to shoot to kill, and NOT ask questions later.

11. EXTERMINATION: We could end this once and for all-- just nuke the entire Islamic world and let our descendents deal with the guilt.

We are now at options #8 - #11. Soon the alternatives will shrink even more. Islam has either summoned forth its own doom, or else the most gigantic mass of slaves in its history. Which shall we be?

I will be posting this article in its entirety (with moderator permission), in tomorrow's forum. It needs to be read, over and over, until each of us can detail its major points to anyone we meet on the street.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-08 20:54|| 2006-09-08 20:54|| Front Page Top

#3 Those "Eleven Options" first appeared as a comment (#38) in this thread back on May 21st. It was a raucous discussion (103 comments!) and well worth reading.

Sad to say, I've come to concur with Fjordman: the so-called "moderate Muslim" is something I'm no longer able to believe might save the day. As far as I can tell, the only "moderate Muslims" appear to be those who are grossly outnumbered by non-Muslims in the places where they live; get more than a few percent of them in the population, or allow them to gather in large enclaves, and they become anything BUT moderate.

I'm not at "fry 'em up" yet. I'm trying to reserve judgement, allow for the possibility of being proven wrong as future events unfold.

But it isn't easy. And it isn't getting any easier as time goes by.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-09-08 21:32|| 2006-09-08 21:32|| Front Page Top

#4 I vote for containment and a strong dose of repression to match it, we have too much to lose otherwise. Religion is a choice for us in the west. It is not for them, it's genetic.

Religious war, slavery, and misogyny belong to an age long past. Instead of dealing with this crap we should be building a world of happiness for the majority and lack of want for lifes necessities to go along with it. Contain and eradicate this demon spawned philosophy. The quicker the better.

PD convinced me long ago, fry them up indeed.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-09-08 21:49|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com] 2006-09-08 21:49|| Front Page Top

#5 I'm for option #11. Have been for a couple of years. But I am less tolerant than most people.

I would settle for a heavy dose of #9, followed by #10, but that would only delay the inevitable to some point in the future. Nope! Extermination is the only answer.

Posted by Texas Redneck 2006-09-08 22:52|| 2006-09-08 22:52|| Front Page Top

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