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2006-09-19 Olde Tyme Religion

Who saw this Coming: The Pope must die, says Muslim

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Posted by anymouse 2006-09-19 00:55|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The muzzies shot a 65 year old nurse who was volunteering to help the sick who had no other help... ambushed her and shot her 4 times IN THE BACK.

THAT is what Islam has become and THAT is why it is worthy only of extermination.

Posted by Oldspook 2006-09-19 02:40|| 2006-09-19 02:40|| Front Page Top

#2 Hack this shithead to tiny bits with a Chinese cleaver, drop him into an industrial shredder, run him through a low cost wood chipper, feed small pieces of him into a food processor, let starving rabid feral animals make a quick lunch out of him. Nothing could please me more.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-19 03:24|| 2006-09-19 03:24|| Front Page Top

#3 I sort of understood the hate, but after watching this video, I now understand where these guys are coming from, that they really do mean it! God save the Pope!

repost
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1211228663574416724

Posted by Jesing Ebbease3087 2006-09-19 03:35|| 2006-09-19 03:35|| Front Page Top

#4 These in fact were a quotation from a medieval text

Lets go medieval on them.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-09-19 06:12|| 2006-09-19 06:12|| Front Page Top

#5 Don't forget to cast your vote Here.

Posted by doc 2006-09-19 06:43|| 2006-09-19 06:43|| Front Page Top

#6 Well it took 5 years for OBL to come close to recognizing his goal of inciting global jihad. Now we have western political enfeeblement, a HUGE 5th column in the US, Muslims threatening to kill the Pope & a terror state on the verge of nuclear weapons. A lot of people are going to be dead before this is done.

Posted by JerseyMike 2006-09-19 07:26|| 2006-09-19 07:26|| Front Page Top

#7 Well it took 5 years for OBL to come close to recognizing his goal of inciting global jihad. Now we have western political enfeeblement, a HUGE 5th column in the US, Muslims threatening to kill the Pope & a terror state on the verge of nuclear weapons. A lot of people are going to be dead before this is done.

Well, thats the inevitable result of putting Band-aids on cancer.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-09-19 08:25|| 2006-09-19 08:25|| Front Page Top

#8 Oh, go do that.

Nothing like uniting Christianity in way it hasn't seen for a thousand years.

Posted by Snineger Spavitle5395 2006-09-19 09:30|| 2006-09-19 09:30|| Front Page Top

#9 Thanks, Jesing....clicked on the movie link 1 hour and 18 minutes ago. It's compelling. Everyone should watch this movie.

Posted by wxjames 2006-09-19 09:39|| 2006-09-19 09:39|| Front Page Top

#10 Exactly, SS.

Yesterday someone said this Rome / Pope thing is a big "end-times" thing for them. Well okaaaaay, then. Hell, I'm well past fed up - let's get in on, already. Take your shot, miss, and we can get this vermin eradication program on the road.

Posted by flyover 2006-09-19 10:23|| 2006-09-19 10:23|| Front Page Top

#11 As a Catholic, I was embarrassed that he apologized. Geez, the Pope before him never apologized to us for the pedophiles that ran rampant and were protected but at the drop of a little nun - he started to sweat beer nuts. I wrote an email to him to suck it up but it didn't work. If you want to email the pope here it is:

benedictxvi-at-vatican@va

Give him a note about how you really feel

Posted by jack is Back!">jack is Back! 2006-09-19 11:00|| 2006-09-19 11:00|| Front Page Top

#12 Lets go medieval on them

I'm thinking more Communist. Surround a section, cut it off from food and everything, and shoot anyone who tries to escape. Repeat until there are none left. Think of it as our own Five Year Plan or Great Leap Forward.

Posted by Jackal">Jackal 2006-09-19 11:01|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2006-09-19 11:01|| Front Page Top

#13 As a Catholic, I was embarrassed that he apologized.

He didn't.

Not really trying to follow the news, are you? Just buying whatever the press shovels out?

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2006-09-19 11:14|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-09-19 11:14|| Front Page Top

#14 As a Catholic, I was embarrassed that he apologized.

Even though the msm said he said he was "deeply sorry", he actually said that he was "terribly disappointed/displeased with the uproar caused by his lecture".
*Not* an apology. The Pope is NOT a pol who can fluctuate, drifting along the currents of public opinion, there is no way he can say "gee, I erred, I'm sorry", despite what the Moderate Muslims are hoping (remember, if a dhimmi offends islam, he can escape punishment only by a public apology and renouncement to what he said).

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-09-19 11:21|| 2006-09-19 11:21|| Front Page Top

#15 11 As a Catholic, I was embarrassed that he apologized. Geez, the Pope before him never apologized to us for the pedophiles that ran rampant and were protected but at the drop of a little nun - he started to sweat beer nuts. I wrote an email to him to suck it up but it didn't work. If you want to email the pope here it is:

benedictxvi-at-vatican@va

Give him a note about how you really feel

I just posted the following-

I would like to say i admire your courage with which you spoke up about the threat of islamic fundamentalism.

For years the West has been ignoring this threat but it is has been going on for years that violence in the name of religion has been accepted without little condemnation by islamic scholars/clerics.

Its about time the West/Christianity stood up to this threat that is brainwashing kids in Saudi,Pakistan, Iran etc to hate other religions.

Being brought up Roman Catholic i was never taught to hate other religions.Can we say the same about Saudi,Pakistan or Iran????

The education of youngsters needs to be looked at in Islamic countries because i dont know any other religion that spreads hatred of other religions.It seems the passive religions like Buddist,Hindus,Christianity are being threatend, overtaken by radical violent Islam in Continents like Africa and Asia.

We need to wake up the West to the threat.

Paul

Posted by Cheregum Crelet7867 2006-09-19 11:31|| 2006-09-19 11:31|| Front Page Top

#16 As usual I agree w/most of the sentiments on here wrt islam. IMHO the problem is islam, not just radical islam, or militant islam, or islamofascism or any other catchphrase we've come up within the last two years but the root islam itself is the problem. The koran is the basis of that problem. The very fact that as an institution islam cannot critique or question itself as well as being devoid of the ability to reason, makes the "root" islam incompatible w/the modern world. We keep speaking about the War on Terror which I find funny. We are in a war on islam not on terror, terror is a tactic, islam is the real 800 lb gorrilla in the room none of our talking heads or our cowardly politicos wish to speak of. There is no great and peaceful religion of islam, never has been. Only the ignorant and those w/an ajenda spread that garbage. Up until about 4 years ago I myself was ignorant on just how much of their disgusting attitudes came directly from the koran. Being from Detroit, I used to think it was just an arab cultural thing. Then when I read the koran and connected its tenets to the actions of the persians, paks, somalis, malaysians I then realized it was more than just arab tribal bufoonery. There's still one underlying theme as to why this whole region is so f*cked up - islam.

Terror is a tactic and at best a second class strategy, islam and the general cultural neuroses it breeds is the root ideology utilizing this tactic. Granted, there are decent people of every background & I have known some decent muslims as I am sure others on here may know a couple, *but* overall the cost/benefit does not bode them well wrt their co-religionists. Therefore, I know no other way to deal w/the adherents of islam other then extermination, forced conversion, or employing a reverse dhimmi or jizya on them. So long as they follow a religion that does not holds peace, love, reason, or compassion for all human beings as a major tenet of their faith/teachings we cannot allow them to proceed unabated. We absolutely cannot have them pursuing 21st century weapons w/their 7th century alligator brains. Might as well give a loaded weapon w/out the safety on to a bi-polar 4 yr old.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-09-19 11:46|| 2006-09-19 11:46|| Front Page Top

#17 Good post Broadhead totally agree.Islam is rotten to the core and their leaders never question/modernise their religion like others have.They think they are the only true religion and preach hatred of other religions.They belive Islam brought down the fall of the Soviet Union not the west and are so narrow minded they are unable to change unless forced to!!!!

Posted by Cheregum Crelet7867 2006-09-19 12:27|| 2006-09-19 12:27|| Front Page Top

#18 I always learn something when you post, Broadhead6. However, speaking as a member of a religion with a history of being at the receiving end of forced conversion, I can guarantee that is not an answer. What you get are

a)those who didn't truly believe in their own religion and now believe in yours even less, bringing a poisonous cynicism to the congregation, and

b)those who believe that the stronger force proves the validity of your religion, and go on to apply their understanding to prove the strength of their faith (those that Mohammed converted by the sword extended the Caliphate much farther than he was able to do himself), and

c) those who fake conversion to survive, and work to undermine it from inside the temple, multiplying the damage from the first group.

Which is why the Spaniards never trusted the Jews and Muslims who chose baptism over immediate exile in 1492. To this day the descendents of the Jewish conversos are referred to as Marranos ("pigs"; I don't know if the Muslim conversos are referred to differently), and some of the families still practice Jewish traditions in secret, mostly without remembering why.

On the other hand, there is likely a good deal of quiet apostacy here in the US. It's easy enough, once one has moved far from home, to never again go to the mosque, to associate only with one's non-Muslim neighbors and colleagues and the relatives of one's non-Muslim spouse. Confrontation with a reality different from the old ways leads weak minds to anger and withdrawel, but strong minds to re-evaluation of old assumptions and new conclusions. We see the same thing in the non-Muslim Americans: the weak minds refuse to accept that we are actually at war, and fight those who insist on defence, while the strong minds wrestle with the best way to defeat the attackers even while beginning to respond in force.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-19 12:38|| 2006-09-19 12:38|| Front Page Top

#19 Jackal, on behalf of the Halliburton's bio-weapons division, I reject your ideas as impractical and immoral.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-09-19 12:44|| 2006-09-19 12:44|| Front Page Top

#20 TW, you're prolly right. Honestly, I have no real good answers to this problem - I foresee only varying degrees of bad options that the muslims may one day find themselves choosing from.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-09-19 12:48|| 2006-09-19 12:48|| Front Page Top

#21 You seem like a bright lady, TW. Does the "wife" part mean you're spoken for?

Posted by Bobby 2006-09-19 13:02|| 2006-09-19 13:02|| Front Page Top

#22 this is what makes this particular conflict so lethal. What are we going to do? Round up a billion men, women and children and send them to the bread ovens for the crime of being Muslim? oooh.. count me out.

We could and should deport Muslims who live in our country but refuse to pledge allegience to our laws and customs.

In the past, we beat Muslim conquerers back to little patches of unwanted sand and said, "if you want to be in control, stay here." But the joke was on us cause they got the oil and now they've got the bomb. In today's world of global communications and weapons of mass destruction, there is no way that we can banish them to reservations of unwanted real estate where they can't reach us with their weapons and even if we could they won't be happy because our porn, music, mirth and frivolity will find their way to them through interent, cell phones and tvs.

This story isn't going to end well.

Posted by tabd 2006-09-19 13:03|| 2006-09-19 13:03|| Front Page Top

#23 Does the "wife" part mean you're spoken for?

That is the convention, Bobby. In my case, I met Mr. Wife at my freshman orientation, which ruined my plans for a wild and crazy college career. ;-)

Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-19 13:11|| 2006-09-19 13:11|| Front Page Top

#24 I am not religious. I'm an agnostic prodestant with secular athiest tendencies.

But this guy is my Pope.

Posted by rjschwarz 2006-09-19 13:55|| 2006-09-19 13:55|| Front Page Top

#25 The way I see it, we Americans are loathe to act until pushed hard. And then we tend to hit back 10 times as hard as we got hit. Ask the Japanese.

The problem is, liek the pre-war Japanese, the ismaist see our reluctance to fight as weakness.

The have no clue how berserk we as a nation get if hit hard enough to wake us up - and how merciless we can be against agressors.

This is going to end with a mushroom cloud over a lot of dead Americans, and many mushrooom clouds over every significant Islamic Holy site, excepting perhaps ones in jerusalem.

The only way out for Islam is for them to reform, allow interpretaion of the Koran, and stop the violence.

If they do not do so themselves, and we are unwilling to do so for them (Like in Iraq, where half our public has aleady surrendered instead of fighting), then millions will die, most of them Muslims, and they will be hunted down and eradicated like the Nazis and thier racist ideaology were.

Posted by Oldspook 2006-09-19 13:59|| 2006-09-19 13:59|| Front Page Top

#26 The only Muslims who are a threat are the ones that are not hypocrites: that is, those who choose to interpret the Koran based on the Hadiths and the belief that Mohammed was the perfect Muslim, and thus whose life is to be emulated to the smallest detail. "If Mohammed did it, then it is permissible for you to do it." is the root cause of the problem.

We were never given credit for rescuing the bosnian muslims because they drank wine and took their Islam less rigidly. They were viewed as heretics by the Wahabbis, who sent money to rebuild their mosques only on the condition that they not be built in accordance to the local architecture, which was quite artistic. Tombs that were literal works of art were destroyed by wahabbi fanatics.

God save me from the Christians who are hypocrites, and the Muslims who aren't.

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2006-09-19 14:19|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2006-09-19 14:19|| Front Page Top

#27 You do not have to go for mass fodder removal to deal with the problem of radical (or whatever) Islam. You go for the leaders that stir up the jihadis. You go after Saudi Imams that make fatwas that justify Bin Laden and Co's ops. You go for the financiers that support terrorist ops, AND those that finance madarassas that crank out such screwed up people. You keep battering the switchboard until the fodder bottoms out and then MAYBE the others will come around. It will take generations to undo the hardwiring that Islam has done to a big chunk of humanity.

Follow the money. Follow the leaders. Take out the money. Take out the leaders. People that want us dead and advocate and work toward that goal need a dirt nap. Then the problem of terrorism can be cleared up, and we can go to the stars and quit playing around in a sand box with retards.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2006-09-19 14:41|| 2006-09-19 14:41|| Front Page Top

#28 Thank for reposting the "Obsession" link, Jesing Ebbease3087 . I watched it before bed last night and found it to be truly disturbing, revolting, outrageous and several other less printable adjectives.

As I've said before, this one is for all the marbles.

Previously, I felt that the Mythical Moderate Muslim needed to be spared in this conflict. Now, I no longer give a rip for these silent and tacit facilitators. There is far too much at stake and the immense danger of a terrorist nuclear attack increases each day. Merely follow the coverage of Adnan El Shukrijumah, if you have any questions. We no longer have the luxury of being concerned about any ostensibly "innocent bystanders". Moderate Muslims must begin to save themselves through a vocal and active campaign of reporting jihadist imams and interdicting criminal plots as they come to notice. The complete and total absence of self-critical mechanisms within Islam make it an unparalelled threat. Mind you how it is also far from established that Moderate Muslims does not contribute a vast majority of the zakat that finances jihadist terrorism.

The central question is not if Islam will launch a terrorist nuclear attack but, merely, when. If we allow Iran access to atomic weapons, the result will be a chain of proliferation throughout the Middle East. This will put so many nuclear devices in the possession of Islamic governments that some of them are guaranteed to leak through into terrorist hands.

If the cartoonifada wasn't proof enough, this current spate of spewing about the Pope should quench all doubt. Every single one of the West's institutions will come under assault by Muslims. Governments, churches, art, media and the very Internet itself will each of them be tortured out of all recognition by the forces of Islam.

The time has come to begin an aggressive campaign of containment. It is one of several options on the well-thought-out list by Rantburg contributor, David D.. The options are as follows:

1. SURRENDER: Islam's stated mission-- and to them, their manifest destiny-- is to convert the entire world to Islam; we could dispense with this entire war just by becoming Muslims and being done with it.

2. APPEASEMENT: Buy them off by giving them what they want.

3. IGNORE IT: Just ignore atrocities like the Islamic attacks on 9/11 and in Madrid, London, Bali, Israel and Beslan.

4. ISOLATION: Withdraw from the rest of the world and its troubles, keep our heads down and a low profile.

5. CRIMINAL PROSECUTION: Hunt down the terrorists who attack us and prosecute them for their crimes-- but only after they've committed them. And only if the ACLU lets us.

6. INTRUSIVE DOMESTIC SECURITY: We could prevent terrorist attacks by turning America into a police state, with intrusive government monitoring of all aspects of our lives and suspension of habeus corpus. Anyone even suspected of terrorist activity or sympathies, simply disappears in the middle of the night.

7. LIBERATION & REFORM: What we're doing now in Iraq and Afghanistan, which is trying to see if Arab/Islamic society can be detoxified by introducing democratic self-governance. Maybe it can; maybe it can't. We'll see. So far the results don't look very promising.

8. CONQUEST & SUBJUGATION: Invade their countries, assassinate their political and religious leaders, outlaw Islam and bulldoze their mosques, and rule them with an iron fist.

9. COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT: Respond to terrorist attacks on American soil with extravagantly disproportionate retaliation against their cities and their infrastructure. Repeated often enough, this will eventually lead to deterrence.

10. EXPULSION & QUARANTINE: Outlaw Islam within the U.S. and expel all Muslims, citizens or not. Forbid entry into the U.S.-- even for brief visits-- to all Muslims regardless of country of origin, and all nationals of whatever religion from countries that are predominantly Muslim. Seal the Canadian and Mexican borders tight with orders to shoot to kill, and NOT ask questions later.

11. EXTERMINATION: We could end this once and for all-- just nuke the entire Islamic world and let our descendents deal with the guilt.

We are already at Option # 7. Events are forcing us to begin consideration and limited implementation of options # 8 - # 11. When we progress to them is a function of political will and just how quickly Islam can inflict one or the other of incredibly heinous atrocities upon the West that will finally force upward migration through these options. HAVE NO DOUBT that Islam will commit such mass murder. This ideology has a congenital predisposition to the commission of crimes against humanity.

My only question is; WHY WAIT?

The threats against the Pope have given us final proof that Islam will not be satisfied until it dominates the globe. If we seek to survive, it must be through military conquest as diplomatic methods are of precisely ZERO use. How soon we implement these military options will regulate just what portion of our current society and its progressive culture gets carried forward into a world freed from any threat of Islamic dominance.

I refuse to concede even a minute fraction of our progress to Islam as the price of having had to deal with them. Therefore, it is critical for us to begin dismantling this fascist genocidal ideology before it can inflict further harm on a substantially larger scale.

THE TIME FOR ACTION IS NOW.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-19 14:42|| 2006-09-19 14:42|| Front Page Top

#29 Yet, us humans are hardwired to be believers.

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-09-19 14:52|| 2006-09-19 14:52|| Front Page Top

#30 I agree with you, Alaska Paul, we need to phase in Option # 8 by initiating a campaign of sanctioning with extreme prejudice all jihadist imams and clergy. Abu Bakir, Qaradawi, Hamza, Bakri, mullah Omar, the Iranian mullahs, bin Laden, Nasrallah and every single other one of these scumbags. They all need to be permanently tucked in for a nice long dirt nap.

If this does not adequately convey to Muslims our displeasure with Islam's genocidal tenets, then they are beyond all hope of rehabilitation and we should move on immediately to phase two of Option # 8 or straight to Options # 9 through # 11 for all I care.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-19 14:55|| 2006-09-19 14:55|| Front Page Top

#31 "Yet, us humans are hardwired to be believers."

Not me bro', at least not in any organized religion.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-09-19 15:05|| 2006-09-19 15:05|| Front Page Top

#32 Yet, us humans are hardwired to be believers.

anonymous5089, I think that you are confusing the human propensity for pattern recognition with the more applealing and less demanding reliance upon faith. Cogit ergo sum is not a faith based statement.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-19 15:16|| 2006-09-19 15:16|| Front Page Top

#33 I'm cool w/AP's suggestion as well but I'm still not sure it quite addresses the root ideological rub. If sanctioning the annihilation of selected gov't officials and powerful religious goofballs works to control the masses of wannabe binny's then I'm all for it. Even if it turned whole countries toward quiet or tacit islamic apostacy I'd think it successful. Of course, I've always been a fan of going wetworks on dictatorship sh*tholes in general.

The other component we failed to mention is the oil angle. I know we've beat this dead horse on other threads, but the sooner we become energy independent the less our entaglements w/the sand clowns will become.

Another piece to consider is the Euro-muzzie factor. How our supposed allies deal w/their little arabias is fairly important to our security as well.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-09-19 15:18|| 2006-09-19 15:18|| Front Page Top

#34 Goopie, you're just too damn short to go on this ride. Bye, bye...

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-09-19 15:29|| 2006-09-19 15:29|| Front Page Top

#35 No entertainment value in trolls who natter to themselves?

Posted by flyover 2006-09-19 15:30|| 2006-09-19 15:30|| Front Page Top

#36 It would be wise to help our real friends keep the battles off their homelands. That would include England and Israel and the Vatican. As long as the fight takes place in the ME or Asia minor, we can support our efforts with men and materials. They don't have that security. They bury munitions under ground and they will not win that way. The rest of Europe will have to make a stand. I pray we never again help the Phrench. Or the Ruskies for that matter. I also wonder if China will do the mature thing or become the spoiler. I do expect India to be one of our main allies in the coming battles. Finally, every day it appears our lefties are less and less influential.

Posted by wxjames 2006-09-19 15:42|| 2006-09-19 15:42|| Front Page Top

#37 As OS states clearly, this is headed toward an end, and it will not be pretty. If AQ (or whoever), does managed to detonate a WMD, or WMDs in the US...the there will be He** to pay in the Middle East.

Unfortunately that's almost certainly the response the islamo-cockroaches are trying to elicit, and is totally unanticipated by the mainstream of the muslim world (whatever that means).

Posted by anymouse 2006-09-19 15:46|| 2006-09-19 15:46|| Front Page Top

#38 We don't need mushroom clouds. it's clear which mosques preach hate week after week. Some Friday after a week of seething we just wait until the mosques fill up and blast away. Take out ten to a hundred mosques that first day and see what the seething level is like the following week. If it has not changed we take out ten to a hundred more. These things will sort themselves out in time.

Yeah we'll feel bad, but we'll get over it.

Posted by rjschwarz 2006-09-19 16:03|| 2006-09-19 16:03|| Front Page Top

#39 I'm cool w/AP's suggestion as well but I'm still not sure it quite addresses the root ideological rub.

It doesn't, Broadhead6, not entirely. As you, yourself, posted:

IMHO the problem is islam, not just radical islam, or militant islam, or islamofascism or any other catchphrase we've come up within the last two years but the root islam itself is the problem. The koran is the basis of that problem. The very fact that as an institution islam cannot critique or question itself as well as being devoid of the ability to reason, makes the "root" islam incompatible w/the modern world. We keep speaking about the War on Terror which I find funny. We are in a war on islam not on terror, terror is a tactic, islam is the real 800 lb gorrilla in the room none of our talking heads or our cowardly politicos wish to speak of. There is no great and peaceful religion of islam, never has been.

The Koran is a deeply flawed document. Our humanity dictates that we give Islam a chance to reinterpret their doctrine over to a reformed and nonviolent faith. Personally, I think we'll be ice skating in hell long before that ever happens. Which is why I want to phase in Option # 8 right now and go for doors # 9 through # 11 as needed.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-19 16:08|| 2006-09-19 16:08|| Front Page Top

#40 Works for me, rjschwarz. Start with the really bilious spittle spewers and work our way down. I think Pakistan and Saudi Arabia need to be at the top of our Christmas list.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-19 16:10|| 2006-09-19 16:10|| Front Page Top

#41 The religion is the problem, of this there is no doubt. But I am not ready to nuke anyone at this point. I am ready to publicly yank radical imams out of their mosques, hang them in the street and then bulldoze the mosque as RJ suggests. This has to be combined with a clear statement that if this shit continues it won't be just the mosques that get the treatment.

We have to make it very clear that yes, we are at war with islam because it is clear that islam cannot get along with anyone else in its present form. Again, the message must be crystal clear.

This will give the ummah a chance to evaluate where they are and whether or not they want to reform their religion. It is sort of like what we are doing in Iraq...giving them a chance to help themselves.

If they do not and the funding, seeting, eyerolling continue then larger population centers need to be destroyed. Ratchet up the pain until they understand that the path upon which they are on is untenable.

Posted by remoteman 2006-09-19 16:38|| 2006-09-19 16:38|| Front Page Top

#42 I agree, remoteman, nuclear weapons are not needed, yet.

I do think that the nuclear option needs to be put on the table in clear view just to let Islam know what awaits any inabity to reform and finally quit all of their genocidal jihadist crap.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-19 17:01|| 2006-09-19 17:01|| Front Page Top

#43 Personally I find 'nuking' a little 20th Century. With the DNA gnome and the largest pharmaceutical base in the world, a nice designer plague with antidote would be more efficient. Leaves the infrastructure largely in tact. After about a decade, the corpses should be largely decomposed.

Posted by Shavise Angeamp7988 2006-09-19 17:20|| 2006-09-19 17:20|| Front Page Top

#44 B-16 did NOT apologize. He said he was sorry the Moslems took such offense. He has opened, quite consciously and intentionally, a dialogue about the connection between Mohammed's teachings and violence.

Posted by Sgt. D.T. 2006-09-19 17:22|| 2006-09-19 17:22|| Front Page Top

#45 Zenster, true enough. The very essence of the literal interpretation of the koran may take our strategy beyond just hitting high value targets. However, I'd never want to intimate a "zero to nuke them now" attitude on my part. At least not the women & children of their culture who I consider victims of idelogical neuroses. TW, brings up good points on forced conversion. Though I wonder if forced conversion on muslims would be looked at the same way from the prior muslim as TW pointed out jews/christians looked at islam after their forced conversion.

I concur that an incremental eradication starting w/hate spewing mosques, terrorist enabling officials, etc needs to happen before anybody even dreams of pulling out the pres' football. If whacking specific religious/govt leaders and their institutions helps islam re-invent itself to something compatible w/the modern world then I am for it (they could start w/tossing out 80% of the koran and keeping the passages that actually reflect just behavior). Maybe they could even evolve and go to a sort of "Jeffersonian Koran" - hahaha, I crack myself up. (I actually have a Jeffersonian Bible where he got rid of what he felt were "revealed" passages and instead tried to stay w/Jesus' original ethical construct devoid of any miracle stories, some christians hate that but I actually found it fascinating.) I'm drifting OT, anyways, until the majority of muslims start looking at the koran as something to be questioned & debated as a matter of reason, or as a traditional/cultural book inspired by God vice a literal innerrent text from the mouth of the Almighty - we will continue to have the same old cyclic problems. Which makes me wonder at what point will we get to where Joe Sixpack starts burning korans in the street and calling for the nuking of tehran? Hopefully we don't get to that point.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-09-19 17:22|| 2006-09-19 17:22|| Front Page Top

#46 BH6, perhaps it will take Joe Sixpack massing in the street to get the government off the dime about what really must be done.

Half statements are not going to do it. Our dialogue must be clear that islam's current nature is the problem and it must reform now. No negotiation, no tolerance.

It is also not just Joe Sixpack that needs to do this. It is Gilles Carafe, Jose Margarita, Nigel Pint-o-Ale, Takahashi Saki and all the other regular guys and gals out there in the world that want to coexist with one another but will not tolerate islam's crap any longer.

The president, the Pope and other world leaders have to stand up and say enough is enough. Hell, we can see that they are going to seethe regardless, why not just lay it on the line. Keep this crap up and you are going to die...like imam fruitcakebrain did just this afternoon. Squealed like a pig when he did too. While I would love it if this where to happen today, that is just a pipe dream. It won't happen until more Americans die. But it has to happen.

Posted by remoteman 2006-09-19 17:42|| 2006-09-19 17:42|| Front Page Top

#47 I have a feeling Gilles Carafe is ALWAYS going to tolerate Islam's crap.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-09-19 18:04|| 2006-09-19 18:04|| Front Page Top

#48 Do you mean Jacques Boxwine?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-09-19 18:11|| 2006-09-19 18:11|| Front Page Top

#49 NS, that would Monsieur Jacques Vinboit.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-19 18:33|| 2006-09-19 18:33|| Front Page Top

#50 Things are starting to get 'interesting'. These comments from the Pope have really brought out the Muslim 'moderates' haven't they?

And it must be making a lot of Christians (even non-Catholics) wonder what on earth is going on.

I'm not a religious guy so I'm not really into 'turning the other cheek', but I can understand and appreciate why many religious people feel they have to go the extra yards.

However, I do think that this current 'unpleasantness' has made a rather large number of Christians look in a rather askance way at Islam.

This 'incident' will have implications for Islam in general, but whether it ends up saving more Muslim lives or not is still open.

Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-09-19 18:36|| 2006-09-19 18:36|| Front Page Top

#51 Our dealings with radical or mainstream Islam encompasses several facets or stages.

1. Identify the problem. Collectively this country or the world has not fully realized the size and nature of the problem. The problem has to be shown the light of day. So this task needs to be done.

2. Identify the immediate source of the problem. This is where my previous post comes in suggesting taking out the leaders and the financiers.

3. Deny the terrorists resources. That comes back to regime change or our alternate sources of petroleum, i.e., other sources besides the ME sandbox.

4. Change the culure of psychotics and death. That is what we are trying to do to Iraq. It is a tall order. I am not too excited about this step until we have a very large consensus to do this. This is the social engineering option, and it will suck up resources like Jack the Pig. That is what is happening to us in Iraq on our nickel.

My immediate concern is to eliminate the terrorist threat without going bankrupt. I do not think that this is an insurmountable problem. We just need the will, then the details and the means will fall into place.

The Islamists are not afraid of us anymore. In the beginning they were. They need to be fearful of the Great Satan again. Very fearful. Then we will be able to communicate with the likes of Iran, Syria, NORKS, the Saudis, and all of their friends, sisters, cousins, and aunts.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2006-09-19 20:26|| 2006-09-19 20:26|| Front Page Top

#52 Islam, radical Isalm, moderate Islam????? This is all crap. I don't see the moderates out there denouncing anything, except the US. What we have here is levels of support. Active and passive, plain and simple. The only reason any Islamic tribe will work with us is in the hopes they can dominate their neighbor tribe. They could all give a rats ass about the United States of America.

I'm not sorry, I'm sick and tired of all the flailing about and hand wringing over some innocent muslim kid getting killed when we nuke Teheran or Mecca. I saw what they did in NYC and the Pentagon, they should have thought about the safety of their children before they struck our nation. Just like Japan where hundreds of thousands of kids died because of an emporer that lost his way, it's just too damn bad.

What just drives me crazy is peoples lack of vision and the ability to see our enemy's desired end state. We will have our travel locked down for fear of hijackings, ports closed, armed guards at every public place and after years of this we will have NO FREEDOMS left to defend, game over. Our constitution will become a dream of days past.

We built the bombs to show our enemies we mean business and force other nations to heed our will. We need to use them and stop this before our enemy gets lucky and turns DC into a bio death zone.

Posted by 49 Pan 2006-09-19 21:12|| 2006-09-19 21:12|| Front Page Top

#53 The god head UNCLE SAM needs to convince a near earth orbit say 1/2 cubed km stone to provide mecca with decent sized black rock.

Posted by 3dc 2006-09-19 22:25|| 2006-09-19 22:25|| Front Page Top

#54 Me!!!!!!

Posted by Thoth 2006-09-19 23:11|| 2006-09-19 23:11|| Front Page Top

#55 My immediate concern is to eliminate the terrorist threat without going bankrupt. I do not think that this is an insurmountable problem. We just need the will, then the details and the means will fall into place.

The hunter killer teams are the beginning of this "cost-effective" campaign.

The Islamists are not afraid of us anymore. In the beginning they were. They need to be fearful of the Great Satan again. Very fearful. Then we will be able to communicate with the likes of Iran, Syria, NORKS, the Saudis, and all of their friends, sisters, cousins, and aunts.

Bingo, AP. Our main message needs to be, "FEAR THIS". The nuclear option needs to be dusted off, trotted out and polished up all bright and shiny for these maggots to take notice of. No squeamishness, no hesitation, just a simple message of STFU or say hello to Mr. Atom.

These comments from the Pope have really brought out the Muslim 'moderates' haven't they?

Spot on, Tony. As always, it is the usual Thundering Silence. We need to communicate very clearly to these people that their mute response WILL BE THE DEATH OF THEM.

Islam, radical Isalm, moderate Islam????? This is all crap. I don't see the moderates out there denouncing anything, except the US. What we have here is levels of support. Active and passive, plain and simple. The only reason any Islamic tribe will work with us is in the hopes they can dominate their neighbor tribe. They could all give a rats ass about the United States of America.

Somewhere out there, I can hear .com shouting, "Yeppers!" You've got it, 49 Pan. However, I'm not on the same "immediate use" page as you are regarding atomic weapons. As you can see from the above, I'm not far from it, but we really need to send some conventional "messages" for a while before trotting out the big guns.

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