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2006-10-05 Terror Networks
WND : Did Iraqi ops take out (TWA 800) jetliner?
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Posted by anonymous5089 2006-10-05 12:02|| || Front Page|| [10 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 With all due respect A5089, you're French, right? I have yet to see a conspiracy theory that the French don't like. Is it a hobby in France or something???

It's a faulty fuel tank design and Boeing admits it (or as close as you can get to admitting something like this). There's a fix for it recommended by the NTSB (or TSA?), but it won't be implemented because the risk is deemed very low and it costs too much. In the mean time, affected aircraft must fly with a little extra fuel on board.

Statistically, an old Boeing aircraft will go boom in mid-air, but that should happen once in every 20 years or so, so no one cares. US airlines replace their aircraft past the 20-year mark anyway (except for Northwest it seems) so that's another reason why airlines don't care either.

BTW, a5089, be honest, you think Princess Diana was offed by MI5, don't you? ;-)
Posted by Speart Flerong2904 2006-10-05 12:20||   2006-10-05 12:20|| Front Page Top

#2 I never hated Willy Clinton for boinking Monica's face, but the cover ups of this TWA 800 flight and a number of other crimes and the pardoning of known criminals and the misuse of the Federal Government's power and auspices is why I hate that phalker.
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-05 12:24||   2006-10-05 12:24|| Front Page Top

#3 Speart, you are dead wrong. At the time of the incident, I was driving my car. I then tuned to the NYC talk radio station I knew would hear eyewitness accounts called in. That did happen. in fact some 144 people on the surface saw the missle go up trailing smoke, and hit TWA800. The asshole Clinton administration did a full length cover up, complete with a CIA film showing how it happened. Does anyone ever remember a CIA film being made ? Never before, never since. COVER UP, COVER UP, COVER UP.
I might add Slick Willy delt TWA a death blow, but why should a corrupt democrap give a shit ?
Prolly just republican investers losing their shirt.
No, SF2904, it was no wiring spark. Time to dump the koolaid.
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-05 12:31||   2006-10-05 12:31|| Front Page Top

#4 This article is utter horsecrap.

There was no missile fired at TWA 800. The plane was lost due to an electrical short in a fuel tank that ignited vapors. The "missile" theory was started by moonbats (Pierre Salinger, most prominent among them) eager to blame the crash on accidental friendly fire from a nearby missile cruiser--even though the plane happened to be well outside the engagement envelope of the version of the Standard missile in service at the time.

Look, there were plenty of good, factual reasons to take out Saddam Hussein, and there are plenty of good, factual reasons to conclde that the Clinton administration was less than properly attuned to terrorist threats. We don't need to make stuff up to win the argument on the merits. If WND is going to publish nonsense like this, it might as well change it's name to "The Nation" or "Mother Jones" or "Daily Kos," 'cause that's what it's acting like.
Posted by Mike 2006-10-05 12:31||   2006-10-05 12:31|| Front Page Top

#5 Yeah, I DO like conspiracy theories, though I gravitate more toward the really weird ones, hollow earth, shapeshifting reptiloids,..., don't know if this is a froggie thingy (my own PCT tropism comes rather from my US pop culture bias, rather than straight french cultural background, I think).
Like for the Oklahoma bombing, I'd feel inclined to suspect the clinton administration of mismanagement and cover up, based on what I've read (WND did a serie about the TW800 which looked interesting to me, but I'm just the uneducated lay person).
But, in last analysis, I'm not concerned, it's your country, and if there was a cover-up for political conveniency, then it's your problem, we've already got ours.
Posted by anonymous5089 2006-10-05 12:32||   2006-10-05 12:32|| Front Page Top

#6 If you want more on TWA800, go to newsmax.com and dig into their archives. I remember the NY FBI head was fishing that day and saw the missle attack. He was told to....ah....recuse himself.
He died on 9/11/01 in the World Trade Center.
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-05 12:37||   2006-10-05 12:37|| Front Page Top

#7 Mike, read my comments. People don't call a radio station within minutes of such an avent to expand a conspiracy. These were eye witnesses. And, I might add, none of them were ever interviewed by the CIA. Also why the hell was the CIA involved ? Because Slick Willy didn't have enough pull in the FBI, but the CIA is anyone's whore.
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-05 12:39||   2006-10-05 12:39|| Front Page Top

#8 I have to agree with James in that the CIA being involved with the TWA800 investigation is goofy pretty damn odd. Don't know anything about the FBI person or any of the other conspiracy stuff, just that the CIA getting in on this is seems bat shit crazy.

James, that bit about the FBI witness is interesting.
Posted by Mike N. 2006-10-05 12:57||   2006-10-05 12:57|| Front Page Top

#9 Well if Iraqi Ops did take out TWA 800 we should invade Iraq, remove Saddam from power, and put him on trial!!!!

Since that is already accomplished and TWA seems happy to take the heat for the fuel tank problem I see no value in the mental masturbation over this issue.
Posted by rjschwarz 2006-10-05 13:08||   2006-10-05 13:08|| Front Page Top

#10 James:

I was commenting on the article, not on your comments, which posted as I was typing. So, don't take it personal.

However, I will respond to you here.

I remember the TV reports the night it happened rather vividly, and I remember that the conventional wisdom in the days and weeks after the crash was that it was a terror attack--it was only later that we found out about the fuel tank issues with the older 747-100s.

People did see a flaming trail going upward, and it looked like a missile to them. I don't deny that. If I'd been there, I might have described it that way, too. However, what they actually saw was the wreckage, post-explosion, arcing up and over as it lost momentum.

The people who kept claiming it was a missile afterward (Mr. Hair-In-THe-Ears himself, Pierre Salinger) were blaming the USS Normandy for firing a Standard SAM accidentally or negligently. Problem is, that the Normandy wasn't close enough to engage with her SAMs, though a little thing like "facts" never stopped a conspiracy theorist before.

More important, in order for it to have been a missile, it would have had to have been a good-sized medium SAM. The plane was too high to be engaged with a shoulder-fired SAM like an SA-7, and a small SAM like that would be hard-pressed to splash a full-sized Boeing.

So in order for it to have been a missile, someone would have had to truck a full-sized military SAM system into the middle of Long Island Sound (you need a small freighter of several hundred tons standard displacement, at least, and that missile radar and launcher don't look like normal deck equipment!), illuminate the plane with its radar (without anyone using any sort of radio circuit or ATC radar noticing the RF interference), track it, fire (without ATC noticing the missile on radar), hit, and then get the hell out of Dodge without any of the approaching rescue forces seeing the ship or picking it up on surface search radar.

Now, in fairness, all that might be possible. What are the odds that the US government would piece this together and, having figured out that the Iraqi bad guys did it, that Slick Willie would decide, in an election year, to cover it up rather than go to war and gain an immediate 20% boost in his approval rating--and that the Clinton administration, which couldn't keep a simple afternoon blow job secret, would successfully cover it up for 10 years--and that the Bush administration, now in full possesison of the archives for six years, would go along with keeping it quiet even as it was marshalling facts in support of attacking Iraq--and that not one person from the FBI or NTSB would whisper a word of all this to a reporter in ten years?

Occam's razor, my friend. If there are two possible explanations for the same phenomenon, choose the simplest. The fuel tank explosion explains what happened, and doesn't require belief in a wild series of low-probability events.

Moreover, while I yield to no one (including you) in my loathing for Clinton, I can loathe him for what he did without attributing things to him he didn't do.
Posted by Mike 2006-10-05 13:17||   2006-10-05 13:17|| Front Page Top

#11 Another thing. The article claims Ramzi Yousef knew about the crash "within minutes"--even down to the flight number. While in his jail cell. In a federal prison. Before CNN and the networks.

Yeah, right.
Posted by Mike 2006-10-05 13:19||   2006-10-05 13:19|| Front Page Top

#12 SF2904, Not sure where you get off pounding Mous for being French. He is probably the biggest critic of French goverment, or lack of, that I know. He is also a long time contributor here at RB and generally a strong supporter of the US. Aside from his attraction to hairy leggid French girls and shapeshifters the overgeneralizing because he lives in France is unwarranted. Done

As far as the CIA being involved, someone must have thought it was an attack or they would never be interested in an aviation accident. If we uncoverd it was a shoot down and Clinton coverd it up, I would not be surprised at all.
Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan  2006-10-05 13:26||   2006-10-05 13:26|| Front Page Top

#13 Have you ever seen that pretty semi-transparent flexible orange-colored film that satellite solar-cell arrays are mounted on? In the engineering trade, it's known as polyimide. The trade name Dupont uses for it is Kapton®. It is legendary for maintaining chemical and dimensional stability at temperatures and environmental extremes that would torture most conventional materials right out of existence. Put it in a sputter deposition reactor chamber, pump it down to near deep-space vacuum levels (where air molecules are bouncing around like ping-pong balls), and it is barely fazed. At such low pressures, most regular plastics would swell like a balloon due to physical out-gassing of volatile chemical components in the polymer's structure.

Now take that sheet of Kapton® and run it under a source powered up with 600VDC at 5 or 10 Amps with a several hundred Gauss planar magnetron containment field behind it. Most plastics cannot possibly stand the brief temperature excursion involved during exposure to the deposition source. Kapton® sails right through without blinking. Deposit chromium, copper, aluminum or any of a wide variety of materials onto the film and they miraculously stick to this wonder polymer. In addition, it has stupendous dielectric breakdown characteristics on top of outstanding chemical inertness in its resistance to acids, alkalis and enzymatic compounds, making it a coating of choice for pacemakers and other implanted devices.

Who would have guessed that Kapton® might exhibit undesirable aging characteristics over extended periods of service? Especially when you consider its sterling performance in outer space conditions involving hard gamma ray exposure, ultraviolet curing and extreme temperature cycling.

Here's a quote from a Naval Academy report on:

NONDESTRUCTIVE EVALUATION OF AROMATIC POLYIMIDE INSULATED AIRCRAFT AND SPACECRAFT WIRING

E. J. Tucholski, Physics Department, U. S. Naval Academy, Annapolis, MD, USA

Abstract: Spacecraft, and especially aircraft, often fly well past their original design lives and, therefore, the need to develop nondestructive evaluation procedures for inspection of vital structures in these craft is extremely important. One of the more recent problems is the degradation of wiring and wiring insulation.

There are significant electrical and fire hazards associated with aging and deteriorating wire insulation. Moreover, there are hundreds of miles of electrical wiring on typical commercial jet aircraft. Currently, the wires are inspected visually and only when there is an existent fault in the wiring or when modifications are made.
Over the last 10 years, several aviation accidents have been related to faulty wiring insulation.1 A study conducted at the behest of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to analyze aging wire insulation concluded that the most common wire condition irregularities involved heat damaged and burnt wire insulation, chafed or frayed wiring caused by vibration or excessive stresses, and cracked and delaminated insulation.2

Arcing was found to be a major contributor in electrical fires involving degraded polymer insulated aviation wiring. Arcing involves luminous discharge of electricity across the polymer insulation. The electrical discharge of an arc can have a temperature of several thousand degrees Celsius. Breaches in wire insulation can lead to a situation in which the conductor is exposed and results in arcing and short circuits. Scintillations, flashing and strong arcing have been observed.3 Scintillations and flashing (400 mJ to 8.25 J) caused substantial charring, discoloration, and erosion of wire insulation and conductors, but rarely did circuit breakers trip. Strong arcing (~5 kJ) occurred in tests involving aromatic polyimide (Kapton®) wiring. Non-contact arcing between conductors separated by insulation may require several kilovolts to initiate, but if separated by carbonized insulation, arcing can occur at normal operating voltages. A fault-current causes the carbon path to open and arcing is established.

References:
1 White, Tucholski, Green, “Nondestructive Testing of Aircraft and Spacecraft Wiring,” Materials Evaluation, v. 61, no. 12, Dec 2003, p1315.
2 Federal Aviation Administration, Intrusive Inspection Working Group, Christopher Smith, Chairman, Transport Aircraft Intrusive Inspection Project, 29 December 2000.
3 National Transportation Safety Board, “Aircraft Accident Report, In-flight Breakup Over the Atlantic Ocean, TWA Flight 800 Boeing 747-131, N93119 Near East Moriches, New York 17 July 1996,” NTSB/AAR-00/03, Washington, DC, 23 August 2000.

I tried to locate some images of polyimide insulation undergoing catastrophic dielectric breakdown. The pictures are very dramatic. What was previously one of the most inert and physically stable compounds imaginable suddenly explodes like fireworks.

That some idiots were allowed to run unhoused electrical wires through wing tanks where they would be immersed in aviation fuel is a matter for history to judge. I'll wager that, at the time, no one even could imagine that this wonder material would ever fail in such a destructive manner. Even with all of my training, I certainly couldn't.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-05 13:51||   2006-10-05 13:51|| Front Page Top

#14 Can anyone name any event that the federal government did not cover up ?
Only 9/11 because everyone watched it on TV.
The UFO crash in 1947 first reported as such, then as a weather balloon. The Kennedy assasination with one bullet ? Gulf of Tonkin ?
The one thing the gov does better than anything is coverups, and the Clinton admin was the best.

Working backward start here
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-05 13:53||   2006-10-05 13:53|| Front Page Top

#15 then here
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-05 13:55||   2006-10-05 13:55|| Front Page Top

#16 Not that my opinion means a whole heck of a lot..I personally beleive that TWA 800 was taken down by a terrorist missle. I have a Navy buddy that is a 747 driver, and he thought from the beginning that the NTSB report was a crock. The question to me is why not tell the truth? now? What is the conection between Nichols/McVeigh-the Philippines islamic terrorists-AQ-Saddam?

I dunno, but it makes my head hurt.
Posted by anymouse">anymouse  2006-10-05 13:55||   2006-10-05 13:55|| Front Page Top

#17 There's no arguing with the facts.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-05 13:56||   2006-10-05 13:56|| Front Page Top

#18 Jeepers, there's an hour of my life I'm not getting back.

PS: Great post, Mike.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-05 13:58||   2006-10-05 13:58|| Front Page Top

#19 What is the conection between Nichols/McVeigh-the Philippines islamic terrorists-AQ-Saddam?

That question has a lot more merit than the one currently under discussion.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-05 14:00||   2006-10-05 14:00|| Front Page Top

#20 here, here, here, and much more here and at numerous other sites.
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-05 14:10||   2006-10-05 14:10|| Front Page Top

#21 Just read this. Read the whole letter. I am happy that there are more people with integrity in this great nation.
What good does it do to get these coverups to light ? That should be obvious.
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-05 14:20||   2006-10-05 14:20|| Front Page Top

#22 run unhoused electrical wires through wing tanks where they would be immersed in aviation fuel

Being immersed in aviation fuel was not the problem, as I recall. It's the fuel-air mixture of an empty tank. The 747 doesn't need every tank full to fly the atlantic route. The centre tank was empty, or in the process of fuel reconfiguration when the explosion happened.
Posted by Speart Flerong2904 2006-10-05 14:21||   2006-10-05 14:21|| Front Page Top

#23 Iraqi ops helped in Oklahoma City.
Posted by anonymous2u 2006-10-05 14:28||   2006-10-05 14:28|| Front Page Top

#24 Zenster, almost the entire federal government cooperated in a coverup ordered by a corrupt democrat who happened to be president at that time. I don't pay taxes to supply people who would destroy or alter evidence with a comfortable retirement. I want to phalk every one of them with a red hot rebar. If we can screw them with exposure of the TWA800 coverup, then I'm for it. Let's kill the democrat party. Then, we'll kill their bitch the MSM. Then, we wont have to counter every syllable uttered.
Believe me, it will be a better world for a while anyway.
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-05 14:34||   2006-10-05 14:34|| Front Page Top

#25 Zenster: apreciate the data on polymide, and the kind words.

I don't intend to get personal with people who disagree; however, consider this. We all have a good laugh when the moonbats propound some wild-ass conspiracy theory about W or the Mossad or Haliburton--as we rightly should.

Why give them a parallel opportunity to mock us?
Posted by Mike 2006-10-05 14:35||   2006-10-05 14:35|| Front Page Top

#26 Being immersed in aviation fuel was not the problem, as I recall. It's the fuel-air mixture of an empty tank. The 747 doesn't need every tank full to fly the atlantic route. The centre tank was empty, or in the process of fuel reconfiguration when the explosion happened.

Excellent point, Speart Flerong2904. The fuel-air vapor phase is far more volatile than just the liquid itself. Still, were I to have designed the wiring harness, the conductors would have been run through gasket sealed metal conduits. 20/20 hindsight is such a wonderful thing.



Iraqi ops helped in Oklahoma City.

Well, that certainly explains everything!
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-05 14:41||   2006-10-05 14:41|| Front Page Top

#27 One last point and then I gotta get back to real life.

Assuming this was an Iraqi missile fired from a boat that somehow escaped detection (even by USS Normandy!), what is the advantage to the Clinton administration to cover it up? If it had been a blue-on-blue engagement by Normandy, there would be a motive to cover it up; but not an attack by a foreign country. If it's a foreign attack, he becomes a Wartime President and gets his precious Legacy secured as the avenger of TWA 800.

I mean, the man's a lowlife who only acts in his own self-interest--which means that you can count on him to act in his self-interest every time. Your theory assumes he acted against his self interest, and in a way that requires him and everyone in cahoots with him to execute the plan to perfection--or else.

Consider also: what would be the advantage to the Bush administration to play along? If I were Karl Rove and I knew that there was something in the archives this devastating to the opposition, I'd use it to maximum effect.
Posted by Mike 2006-10-05 14:49||   2006-10-05 14:49|| Front Page Top

#28 Zenster, almost the entire federal government cooperated in a coverup ordered by a corrupt democrat who happened to be president at that time.

Sorry, wxjames. For how they cherish self-aggrandizment, that's just a few too many (to understate things mildly) politicians to ever keep their mouths shut, regardless of political stripe or capacity. Our "entire federal government" can't even cooperate to give themselves a pay raise. One can hardly expect an entire administration to hush up such a travesty without a single leak. Monkeys shooting bottle rockets will fly out my ass sooner than that will ever happen.

Do you believe that Bush ordered a controlled demolition of the World Trade Center Towers? Both theories are of approximately equal validity.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-05 14:53||   2006-10-05 14:53|| Front Page Top

#29 wx, good luck rebuilding the cred.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-10-05 14:56||   2006-10-05 14:56|| Front Page Top

#30 Come back from the edge of the abyss, wxjames. Those are moonbats down there.
Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-10-05 15:07||   2006-10-05 15:07|| Front Page Top

#31 ...and they are plump and ugly!
Posted by Besoeker 2006-10-05 15:09||   2006-10-05 15:09|| Front Page Top

#32 #14 wx: "The UFO crash in 1947"

You lose me right there. Anythimg you say after that is worthless.

Yeesh.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2006-10-05 15:16|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]  2006-10-05 15:16|| Front Page Top

#33 Actually, Barb, they lost me at "WND", lol! Used to read it until it became such a conspiracy theory and trying to be prophets.
Posted by BA 2006-10-05 15:28||   2006-10-05 15:28|| Front Page Top

#34 I'm very suspicious of the "official" explanations of TWA 800. There's a plethora of circumstantial evidence pointing to something other than an electrical or mechanical failure. That said, "official" explanations may indeed be accurate although many prominant public figures publically associate TWA 800 with terrorist attacks on America.

Indeed, I've heard several politicians mention TWA 800 when listing terrorist attacks on America. I know John Kerry and Katie Couric both have listed TWA 800 as a terrorist act. In my mind, there is plenty of room to doubt official explanations.
Posted by Lanny Ddub 2006-10-05 16:16||   2006-10-05 16:16|| Front Page Top

#35 The only conspiracy theory not so far mentioned is the time the Vice President conspired with the commanding general of the US Army (who was also a spy in the pay of Spain) to split the US in half and conquer Mexico. That really happened.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-10-05 16:17||   2006-10-05 16:17|| Front Page Top

#36  Can anyone name any event that the federal government did not cover up ?

My birth.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-10-05 16:21|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-10-05 16:21|| Front Page Top

#37 Rob, how do we know that you are not in fact a CIA team spoofing your posts, as part of the vast gov't conspiracy to cover up the fact that you were not really born ?

Probably for reasons related to UFOs and the Illuminati, or something...wxjames, a little help here please ?
Posted by Carl in N.H.">Carl in N.H.  2006-10-05 16:27||   2006-10-05 16:27|| Front Page Top

#38 The only conspiracy theory not so far mentioned is...

What about the conspriacy to make a duplicate key for the locker where the strawberries were kept? I proves with geometric logic that...
Posted by Philipp Queeg 2006-10-05 16:36||   2006-10-05 16:36|| Front Page Top

#39 Gah, I hestitate to step into this mess, but I have to share one little experience as it directly relates to this.

Way back when, I was OOD during an exercise where the nearby Aegis was going to launch an SM-1 or 2 on a drone target.

Other than the initial flame coming out of the vertical launcher, that SAM was pretty damn invisible once it got airborne, and I was on a deck 2 miles away. So, I personally take the stories about the "column of flame" with a municipal department of transportation dumptruck of road salt.

One man's pathetic recollection from his glory days in the Navy. Sob.
Posted by Dreadnought 2006-10-05 17:00||   2006-10-05 17:00|| Front Page Top

#40 Let me just say in behalf of the Iraqi spies that are being blamed for this. A country does not just commit an act of war without taking credit for it (even Al Queda took credit for their attacks for the sake of recruiting). Not unless the act is intended to lay blame on someone else or leave the target vunerable for something in the future.

So if Iraq was behind this the only value would seem to be if they thought it might get Uncle Sam pissed at someone else, say the Saudis or Iranians. As far as I know there were no waves in that direction.
Posted by rjschwarz 2006-10-05 17:10||   2006-10-05 17:10|| Front Page Top

#41 that SAM was pretty damn invisible once it got airborne

Can't argue with that.

I'd say it would be pretty damn hard to bring down a 747 at altitude with anything shoulder fired. Remember the DHL A300 over Baghdad? Took the Russians two tries to bring down KAL007 (radar guided).
Posted by Speart Flerong2904 2006-10-05 17:21||   2006-10-05 17:21|| Front Page Top

#42 Were there any j000000s on the flight? Hmmmm?
Posted by Thoth 2006-10-05 17:40||   2006-10-05 17:40|| Front Page Top

#43 

wop wop wop
Posted by Shipman 2006-10-05 17:56||   2006-10-05 17:56|| Front Page Top

#44 I said, in 1947, they first reported a UFO crash, then it was a weather balloon.
Click on 'this' on my # 21.
A letter from one Admiral Donaldson to TWA and Boeing explaining the coverup and the various known omitted evidences.
Over 100 eyewitnesses non questioned, but trashed instead. I would say that a million dollar reward would blow the lid off this clusterfuck coverup. I'm willing to donate $100.
Posted by wxjames 2006-10-05 18:11||   2006-10-05 18:11|| Front Page Top

#45 
Posted by Shipman 2006-10-05 18:19||   2006-10-05 18:19|| Front Page Top

#46 Like Dreadnaught said, even those missles big enough to bring down a 747 burn their fuel in the first 30 seconds of flight. They don't leave a trail of fire. Ask the pilots who flew over Vietnam.
Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues  2006-10-05 18:21||   2006-10-05 18:21|| Front Page Top

#47 It's time to deal with the Ambrose Bierce thingy again. Just disappeared? How could the most famous journalist in America just disappear? The Mexican Revolution was just a convenient side show for the offing of Americans Main Man. It's time to drag the Martian Secret Service from behind the curtain.
Posted by Shipman 2006-10-05 18:23||   2006-10-05 18:23|| Front Page Top

#48 I recall a studio interview with an expert who had a piece of Kapton with him. The pretty boy anchor literally flinched shen he saw it and could not contain his fear at being near an inert object which, under the circumstances Zenster described, contributed to bringing down a jumbo jet. It was pretty funny.
Posted by JAB 2006-10-05 19:43||   2006-10-05 19:43|| Front Page Top

#49 That would be funny, if it weren't so damned pathetic, JAB. The poor little talking head would probably faint if confronted with an inanimate carbon rod.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-05 19:57||   2006-10-05 19:57|| Front Page Top

#50 What kind of carbon rod? Graphite encased in fibres of cellulose (40%–50%) and hemicellulose (15%–25%) held together by lignin (15%–30%) with an optional non-lead-based paint layer?

Perhaps you're thinking of a rather 'special' rod with an atomic arrangement of carbon atoms in a tetrahedral form? - now that *would* be special.

Or maybe the nanotube variety (but then the TH wouldn't even know it was there I guess...)

It may seem pedantic, but it's important to know these things...
Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-10-05 20:30||   2006-10-05 20:30|| Front Page Top

#51 
Dreadnought: One man's pathetic recollection from his glory days in the Navy. Sob.

Philipp Queeg: What about the conspriacy to make a duplicate key for the locker where the strawberries were kept? I proves with geometric logic that...


Lanny Ddub: Indeed, I've heard several politicians mention TWA 800 when listing terrorist attacks on America. I know John Kerry and Katie Couric both have listed TWA 800 as a terrorist act. In my mind, there is plenty of room to doubt official explanations.

»:-)
Posted by RD 2006-10-05 20:53||   2006-10-05 20:53|| Front Page Top

#52 Tony, old bean, you're quite obviously not getting your RDA of "The Simpsons".
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-05 21:23||   2006-10-05 21:23|| Front Page Top

#53 Believing in vast conspiracies is easier -- and for some, more comforting -- than approaching the world as an adult.
Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford  2006-10-05 21:35|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/]  2006-10-05 21:35|| Front Page Top

#54 Don't come the raw prawn with me, RC! We all know it's a lot easier to believe in Santa Claus than ever having to imagine what must be involved with going out and actually working at a job in order make all those holiday presents appear under the tree.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-05 21:57||   2006-10-05 21:57|| Front Page Top

#55 Lol, "raw prawn" - that's one I haven't heard before.

Here's a pretty nifty article about the conspiracy nuts... It's authoritative, entertaining, informative, and boggling.
Posted by .com 2006-10-05 22:03||   2006-10-05 22:03|| Front Page Top

#56 Let's see, Tony.... that would be an old-fashioned wooden pencil, a diamond (hopeful large, extraordinarily clear and colourless, and beautifully set in a smashing bit of jewelry) and, as you said, an invisible nanotube. Yes?
Posted by trailing wife 2006-10-05 22:06||   2006-10-05 22:06|| Front Page Top

#57 For conspiracy I present the British East India Company Flag Flag images of East India Co.

Including these!

Top that conspiracy!


Posted by 3dc 2006-10-05 22:14||   2006-10-05 22:14|| Front Page Top

#58 Re: The unexplained loss of TWA Flight 800

Cmdr. William S. Donaldson, III - USN, Ret.

Aviation Mishap Analyst

P.O. Box 90, Clements, Maryland 20624



April 5, 1999

Mr. Philip M. Condit

The Boeing Company

P.O. Box 3707, Mail Code 10-10

Seattle, WA 98124-2207



Mr. Gerald L. Gitner

Trans World Airlines

One City Center

515 North Sixth St.

St. Louis, MO 63101



Re: The unexplained loss of TWA Flight 800

Gentlemen,

Over the last four months our investigation into the loss of TWA Flight 800 has produced information far surpassing that contained in our July 20, 1998 Interim Report to Congress. We can now prove, before a jury or other independent fact-finding body, that the aircraft was shot down. We can also explain why the Administration covered it up and expose some of the methods they
employed to do so.





Posted by wxjames 2006-10-05 23:18||   2006-10-05 23:18|| Front Page Top

#59 The link to the wire arc-tracking is here
http://members.aol.com/papcecst/altrof.html

Judge for yourself.
Posted by logi_cal 2006-10-05 23:53||   2006-10-05 23:53|| Front Page Top

#60 Please consider, wxjames, that the past tense of "cred" is "crud".
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-10-05 23:55||   2006-10-05 23:55|| Front Page Top

#61 Judge for yourself....

Okay.


Nope.
Posted by Shipman 2006-10-05 23:58||   2006-10-05 23:58|| Front Page Top

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