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2006-12-23 Home Front: Politix
No apology for comments on Muslims, immigration, Goode says
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Posted by Fred 2006-12-23 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 "I do not apologize, and I do not retract my letter," Goode said. "The letter stands for itself."

Hmmm, a representative with a backbone. I like it.
Posted by GORT 2006-12-23 00:34||   2006-12-23 00:34|| Front Page Top

#2 Looks like we have a front-runner for 2008.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-12-23 04:12||   2006-12-23 04:12|| Front Page Top

#3 Good for him, it's nice to know there is at least 1 set of balls in the House.
Posted by JerseyMike 2006-12-23 08:14||   2006-12-23 08:14|| Front Page Top

#4 What, no fatwa? What good is it heckling the 'Slamers if you can't get a good seething going?
Posted by regular joe 2006-12-23 09:05||   2006-12-23 09:05|| Front Page Top

#5 And he rebutted assertions that his statements about Muslims were racist.

Then it would surely follow that the Orkin man is also a racist.
Posted by Besoeker 2006-12-23 09:09||   2006-12-23 09:09|| Front Page Top

#6 I think he's wrong about doing the oath on the koran or something other than a bible...but absolutely not wrong about that scurrillous piece of shit Ellison. However, damn it, you've gotta like a guy who says what he thinks is right and says "Fuck You" when the usual "outraged activists" like Ellison, CAIR, NYT, et al demand he apologize. Here's hoping he sticks to his guns.
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-12-23 09:26||   2006-12-23 09:26|| Front Page Top

#7 If you (Rantburgers) haven't checked out the The 910 Group yet, you might want to. They're a conservative political action group and they seem very level headed.

They have a mailing list, and they've sent out a nice letter supportive of Rep. Goode, suitable for emailing to your congress critter.
Posted by Greremp Uleremp6059 2006-12-23 10:35||   2006-12-23 10:35|| Front Page Top

#8 I fubared the linky!

The 910 Group

Posted by Greremp Uleremp6059 2006-12-23 10:38||   2006-12-23 10:38|| Front Page Top

#9 The 910 Group: Does this sound level-headed to you?

“But I don’t have much time for the “Nuke Mecca” meme, especially when used with ad hominem arguments that dismiss any other approach as lacking in rigor or realism or military experience or analytic depth or whatever. I think the idea is morally bankrupt, and basically nihilistic...it is the lazy fellow’s way out of actually engaging in the hard work of working politically and using the legal tools of information warfare...The Nuke Mecca meme itself is a prime example of “magical thinking,” a kind of solipsistic enjoyment of the fantasy of removing a great danger with a grand technological feat, dismissing all critics of the idea as appeasers or ameliorators. At the very least, were it actually to be done, the iron law of unintended, unforeseeable consequences would apply.

“Having said that, the need addressed by the Nuke Mecca meme is real — each of us longs for a way to blast through the fatalism, the internally locked logical system of Islamic supremacism and intra-Muslim discourse.

“I don’t have an answer, but I would challenge the readers of this blog to consider whether there are any other ways to break the knot — ones that don’t actually involve the deaths of tens of thousands and a nuclear holocaust in the Middle East."

They sound a bit timid, a bit confused, a bit PC to me. Great, "consider other ways to break the knot":, but when your “legal tools of information warfare” fail to "break the knot", don’t object when other tools are employed by some "nihilistic, magical thinking" folks who just saved your butt.
Posted by Jules 2006-12-23 11:56||   2006-12-23 11:56|| Front Page Top

#10 Ellison's breaking of a centuries old tradition is nothing more then the first of the many odious grandstanding stunts we can expect from the freshman congressman. And clearly, the Diversity Immigrant Visa Program is long overdue for meaningful reform. With that said, Goodes original comments were, charitably speaking, clumsy at best. By advantageously conjoining the Ellison event with his philosophies on immigration policy he invited others to speculate on his motivations. The loose association not only fueled the bigotry charge by those that are ignorant on both issues but indeed gave ammunition to his detractors. IMHO, Goode certainly has nothing to apologize for but it would have been best for him to simply clarify his original statement and move on.
Posted by DepotGuy 2006-12-23 13:20||   2006-12-23 13:20|| Front Page Top

#11 They sound a bit timid, a bit confused, a bit PC to me.

Are you saying you prefer the "Nuke Mecca" theme over the non "Nuke Mecca" theme? Actually, your reply seems a bit disjointed, maybe you could clarify what you were trying to communicate.

The 910 Group is trying to do something, and they are trying to get a lot of the issues that are discussed here out into the general discussion. What are you doing?
Posted by Greremp Uleremp6059 2006-12-23 13:38||   2006-12-23 13:38|| Front Page Top

#12 Goode has some balls! I'm chilled with pride and hope.

#6 I think he's wrong about doing the oath on the koran

Gee Frank I surely don't want to get personal but what the fuvk are you thinking?

If you're OK with someone swearing into an office in the USA on a book written by a peophile promoting terrorism and Sharia law...

All I can say is what part of 9-11 didn't you get? Come out here to New York. I've got a hole in the fricking city I want to show you moron.
Posted by Icerigger 2006-12-23 13:41||   2006-12-23 13:41|| Front Page Top

#13 Lol! Rigger!
Posted by Mike N. 2006-12-23 14:12||   2006-12-23 14:12|| Front Page Top

#14 Jules, the 910 group have formed to move anti-Islam to the top of the agenda. They actively support the debate on the media, in the chambers, in articles, the internet, on radio and TV. It's just another stream of consiousness awake to the cancer of Islam. I copied their letter, made a few additions, and send it snailmail to my rep today. My attempt is to awaken one democrat to reality.
Posted by wxjames 2006-12-23 14:16||   2006-12-23 14:16|| Front Page Top

#15 you think Jews swear on the bible? Buddhists? What would that bind them to? Jeebus, Ice. WTF? If you were required to swear on a koran, would you feel that binds you? I sure don't think it does for me. It's the value of your word, and in the minds/actions of the ummah, that's what we should keep in mind.

BTW - they swear their oath in private ceremonies with their family and supporters. Do you think you would actually know what they swore on?

So, what the fuvk are you thinking?
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-12-23 14:20||   2006-12-23 14:20|| Front Page Top

#16 by the way, I'll put my comments and posts up against yours any day and let others decide who the moron is. Good day to you
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-12-23 14:21||   2006-12-23 14:21|| Front Page Top

#17 You have to read nearly to the end of the article for this nugget:

Mamdouh Mohamed Ibrahim moved to Rocky Mount from Egypt six months ago to help his brother run Hema's, an Italian restaurant.

"It's not going to be a big deal to have a lot of Muslims in the country," Ibrahim said. "We're all the same blood. I have a heart, you have a heart. What's the difference?

"We don't try to make anyone Muslim by force or by power. It's freedom to do as you like."


Who the F*** is this guy kidding. Have a Goode Day!
Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2006-12-23 14:38||   2006-12-23 14:38|| Front Page Top

#18 I think our friend Rigger might be a little fired up. Lol! Good for him. That's what should happen to every American when they visit New York. That's not to say he's lashing out at the right team.

Also, if he's a fellow Minnesotan its very likely that his blood boils as mine does whenever Allahsons name is brought up.

The real morons are the clowns that voted for him and me for still living in the dumbest state in the union. The Muslim menace grows so fast here that soon rats and cockroaches will have competition.

They aleady have Detroit and will soon have Minneapolis. If Wisconsin goes they are going to have themselves a nice little country within a country.
Posted by Mike N. 2006-12-23 14:40||   2006-12-23 14:40|| Front Page Top

#19 The last comment reminds me of something... America was called the great melting pot for a reason... immigrants came and blended into our society and made it better as a whole.

I know we have always had communities as a whole that were predominately one ethinc group or another... but this is different...

How long before they do become a state within a state... how long before it comes to secretarian violence as in Iraq... how long until we are fighting a civil war on our own soil...

Sounds far fetched doesn't it... and it is for the immediate future... but what about another ten years from now... another twenty-five years from now...

Just questions that I ask myself...

Blackvenom-2001
Posted by Blackvenom-2001 2006-12-23 15:01||   2006-12-23 15:01|| Front Page Top

#20 well, the chunks in a melting pot either melt or get thrown out, right? :-)
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-12-23 15:05||   2006-12-23 15:05|| Front Page Top

#21 I'm reminded of the saying, "Hitler. Right idea, wrong people."

Venom, I don't think you're of the mark with that concern. I think the threat of the upper Midwest being the first Muzzie stronghold in the U.S. Has decent prospects within the next 50 years.
Posted by Mike N. 2006-12-23 15:23||   2006-12-23 15:23|| Front Page Top

#22 Jules - nuking Mecca is absolutely the wrong thing to do - unless at the same time we nuke every other city over 25,000 in the Arab (and Persian) world. Nuking Riyadh, however, would put an end to a BUNCH of bullsh$$. Hitting Qom and a few other small places in Iran would also help. Nukes have the advantage that you don't have to hope you get the right someone - there's usually few left to whine, and they're usually too busy trying to stay alive to worry about whodunit. It would also end, once and for all, the oil blackmail schemes. We are not a people that are willing to put up with blackmail very long. We've tolerated OPEC and its ham-fisted approach too long. Take out the leaders of OPEC, and the rest will collapse.

Nuking Paris would also end a lot of the bull in the muddle east, but would be far less politically correct - not that I worry about such things. We need to tell the people that meddle in our internal affairs, as the French have tried to do since the early 1960's, that that's a loser's game - and back it up with force.

The world would be a lot more peaceful if a large handful of people disappeared the hard way, and the rest would be far more likely to think before they shoot off their mouths, or meddled in other people's business.

Goode for President, I don't care what year.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2006-12-23 15:39|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2006-12-23 15:39|| Front Page Top

#23 I'm bored so I'm gonna toss some gas on the fire, lol.

Greremp Uleremp6059, you present a classic "False Dilemma". It isn't either Nuke Mecca or non-Nuke Mecca. The 910 Group appeals perhaps because they're trying to keep it simple... and that they apparently take the High Road. Very commendable. Not. It is simply unrealistic. You want a little more? H'okay. I'm game...

The Baron is a class act, not to be dismissed lightly, but I have to agree with Jules and others. The idea that the response to Islam can be non-violent except in direct self-defense is, well, foolish. And dangerous.

But even more appalling is that I note, with great displeasure and much loss of boggle, that they have completely isolated their view of the "important" issues to Islam and jihadists. They give a pass to everyone else... WTF?

Grrrrr. Remarkably dumb for seemingly bright people. I feel like a Rant...

[rant]
The world doesn't work that way. There are interests, the nicest way I can describe it, that seek the Fall of Freedom, American-style. There are varying degrees of "Fall" in there, ranging from kill or enslave to mere (lol) emasculation so they can harness the great power and engine of progress (in the traditional sense of the word) for plundering at their leisure.

There is a Perfect Storm in progress. Alliances of convenience, playing off each other's successes in turning our systems and institutions against us. They, all of them with measurable neural activity anyway, have realized that the least costly means of defeating the American core is from within. We cannot be "defeated" militarily, in fact that avenue is extremely dangerous, but no one would describe some of our enemies as intelligent. We are so open, so liberal, so habitually trusting (what is said here in RB is NOT common... yet) in our institutions that we can certainly be hijacked - in plain sight. The actors are a broad coalition, too, which makes rallying opposition to the damned act all the more difficult.

It's "funny" to hear "experts" talk about leveraging the internal divisions in Iran and other places to our advantage. We're being more effectively leveraged and split and broken down at a greater rate than any of our foreign enemies. The Stalinists raised the game to a fine art. We're being targeted by scores of interests using the Stalinist formulations and by the numerous holes our system offers. Our trust, whether in either good intentions or fair play, are foolish. We're losing, in every venue. Consider the MSM version of Goode vs Ellison that the vast majority are being fed, just for a timely example.

Many made great sport of Spain's post 3-11 fall into Socialist hands. I despise finger-wagging and "I Told You So", but Fuck It: I commented, numerous times, that we shouldn't be so smug - it could happen here. We had come very close in 2000 and 2004. A swing of .75% could send us down the very same road. Duh, folks... If November wasn't the Wake-Up Call that we're headed there, then I guess it's a Bridge Too Far. The slope is not only steep, the sucker's been greased.

Yeah, yeah, I've heard all the cheesedick crap about why folks decided to play Russia / China and triangulate against the Pubbies... Woohoo! You certainly taught them a lesson! Why, they've changed, well, nothing. Not a fucking thing. SSDD. Ask Trent Lott if he gets it, for instance. Had a woodie for Hastert or Frist or Bush? Woohoo! You've got Boehner - and he's a weak willie in the minority to boot. And Pelosi and Reid and... And now we have Bush as true Lame Duck, hamstrung in most ways that matter - y'know, that Real World stuff - and it's gonna be harder to take the House and Senate BACK than it would've been to keep them. Bank on it. Hell, if folks don't figure it out, if they Blame Bush for being a Lame Duck (which they WILL - when their self-absorbed pig-headedness made it so, lol) and failing them in these last two years, why the odds aren't bad that the Dhimmis will take the WH, too, in 2008. All that's needed is for the external morons not to succeed in hitting us again on American soil and for internal Dhimmi morons to hold the looting and pillaging to "normal" levels. Think I'm wrong? Wanna put your ass on the line for that bet? Lol - if you're one of the shit-for-brains fools who played the triangulation game against the Pubbies, then you already have... and mine, too.

Momentary hernia in my bitchin: One thing that I read at the 910 blog was Santorum's exit speech. Geez, what a loss. Thanks, PA. Threw out one of the closest things to a serious politician I've read in a long, long time. I didn't know him well, but that is one ass-kicking "I Get It" speech. I don't care if he's a green-haired trisexual from Venus - regards the important external all-the-marbles shit: US security, he was there.

Back to November and the shitheads who switched, who tossed out the Lame Boyz in favor of the Dhimmi Whores. The loss won't just be time. The looting and pillaging and regression on almost all domestic issues is a given. If it's not one side, it's the other when it comes to Pork, they only differ slightly in degree and transparency. I don't like it any more than anyone else, but it's business as usual - and has always been thus, which makes the BDS among once allied folks all the more insane and short-sighted - not our very survival.

The first real loss is going to be in our retreat across the board in the so-called WoT (I've come to agree that the term is almost useless) - we're at war with Islam and Socialists and every other "ist" and "ism" idiocy out there. They all just won a major victory... and they will now win others because of the Tranzis, anti-Americans, self-haters, and political shenanigans of the "For Sale" Dhimmis.

The second real loss will be that our Next Gen enemies will use that time to steal tech, buy influence, close the gaps, and prepare for that upcoming rematch: Freedom vs. Communism. I know the Reaganites love to pat themselves on the back and pretend it was "defeated", lol, but I beg to differ. That should be obvious, BTW. If it isn't, to you, then you need to commit yourself - you're as deluded as the Moonbats. Nothing's over and that pathogen is not defeated. Ain't that a bitch? Lol.

Russia has devolved back into a Thugocracy - assuming it ever emerged, even momentarily - and without the distractions of trying to maintain a social harness on the "republics" - something that was as much a drain as a boon, or so I've read. While Russia merely triangulates for a Mafia-style profit and influence, China is intent upon a long-term plan to grow into a Global Middle Kingdom, and has the same implacability as the Islamic pathogen. They, China and Islam, both show clearly that the long-term gameplan works against the immediate gratification lameness that pervades the American psyche. Dominion, baby, that's the ticket... just don't wake up The Beast... too much or too fast. Lol. It can't get much more plain, AFAICS. They will adapt and steal and triangulate and form fluid alliances which serve this interest, this goal, until they are stopped - or we are. We will lose a LOT of ground over the next two years. Perhaps enough that the farm will be given away. Camelot II certainly had that aspect - for a motive of mere greed. I see the orphans of Camelot-II in every winglet of the current Dhimmi Brigades. Don't you? Duh.

The third real loss will be the subtle, or not so subtle, lol, resurgence of traditional Dhimmi Machine vote-buying. Once in power, stay in power. Power is the goal. Nothing more. The Nanny State programs which will cater to unions and any other orgs which can "deliver" votes for lucre - their ideology is irrelevant. Votes. Power. Much *wink wink nudge nudge* will occur and plundered treasure is split up, some for youse guyz, some for us. The Machine will regain some (much? most?)of its lost power, you can bet that is Prioroty #1 on the Dhimmi agenda, and even if the traditional avenues, such as unions, as not as reliable, not as large, as they once were - others will be fostered and nurtured, such as the illegals game. Remember how immigration was so fucking important that some decided it was sufficient reason to kick those Pubbie bitches in the ass because they were failing to meet expectations? Lol, better take that Prozac - and double the dosage bitch, it just got 100x worse.

I predict that in the next two years we will lose more ground than can be made up in 6... or 8... or ever.
[/rant]

As for the 910 Group, I think they do us the same great disservice as those who cling to satisfying and comfortable, but suicidal, worldviews do. The self-imposed blinders make them as dangerous as the one pathogen they oppose, out of the zoo that seeks our demise... prolly moreso...

IMO, the greatest threats come from within. Our Military power is damned impressive - but that's solely for external application unless it all comes unraveled. Votes, baby. Votes B Power. If we don't recapture political control, populate the political ranks with people like Santorum and Kyl and Tancredo and Hunter and a handful of others, such as Henry Hyde - who will be sorely missed, IMHO - and reverse the erosion within, we will lose. That's where CW-II comes in. Losing to those that can easily be described as Enemies of Freedom, regardless of what else they might be labeled, won't be acceptable to some. Enough? I dunno. From the leaks to the attendant further loss of resolve to protect ourselves to lost tools important in fighting our enemies to wasting treasure on Nanny State vote-buying to erosion of the values that underpinned our historic resolve and determination and successes to the judicial activism which undermines the one fundamental thing that created and protects our amazing incubator to Baker-Hamilton retro realpolitik retreat to puttin real power into the hands of people like Pelosi and Reyes and Rangel and Reid to failing to stop nuke proliferation - especially regards Islam - we're in deep shit, now. It looks like "up" to me. Think it was deep before? Lol. The 910 Group, no matter how polished and erudite and decent and urbane, have dropped the fucking ball. Kinda like the voters did in November.

Pfeh. I'll STFU now. I don't feel like this ranting shit much, anymore.
Posted by .com 2006-12-23 15:46||   2006-12-23 15:46|| Front Page Top

#24 Damn. Gotta concur with every word, .com...
Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2006-12-23 16:10||   2006-12-23 16:10|| Front Page Top

#25 The last comment reminds me of something... America was called the great melting pot for a reason... immigrants came and blended into our society and made it better as a whole.

I know we have always had communities as a whole that were predominately one ethinc group or another... but this is different...

I know what you're trying to say, Blackvenom, but there is room for dispute in it. Yes, in previous history, there was Chinatown, Little Italy, the Latin Quarter and so forth. Suburbia's emergence during the sixties changed that in an important way. While white flight populated much of the suburbs, there were also upwardly mobile ethnic families that arrived there as well. This was a critical shift that began putting an end to the barrio effect.

In recent years, there has been a return to the enclave mentality, with English as a primary language taking a big hit. Diversity without assimilation has played an increasing part in this and Muslim colonization of America only serves to provide an extreme example of it.

As to Ellison using the Koran; Unlike a Jewish person using a Torah or Hindu using the bhagvagita, the Koran directly advocates the overthrow of American constitutional law in favor of imposing Muslim sharia. It also seditiously urges its followers to work against our national interests. The Koran should not be permitted for swearing in our politicians. I sincerely hope that Goode has the courage to point this out. His unapologetic stance is to be commended.

The idea that the response to Islam can be non-violent except in direct self-defense is, well, foolish. And dangerous.

WORD!

The second real loss will be that our Next Gen enemies will use that time to steal tech, buy influence, close the gaps, and prepare for that upcoming rematch: Freedom vs. Communism. I know the Reaganites love to pat themselves on the back and pretend it was "defeated", lol, but I beg to differ.

Again, word. That communism is somehow now deemed acceptable represents a huge loss of sanity. The blind eye being turned China's way is providing all of our enemies an unguarded flank upon which to attack us in the worst way.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-12-23 16:15||   2006-12-23 16:15|| Front Page Top

#26 I'm going to go back and read that again when Gawd is talking to me.
Posted by Shipman 2006-12-23 16:49||   2006-12-23 16:49|| Front Page Top

#27 Greremp Uleremp6059, you present a classic "False Dilemma". It isn't either Nuke Mecca or non-Nuke Mecca. The 910 Group appeals perhaps because they're trying to keep it simple... and that they apparently take the High Road. Very commendable. Not. It is simply unrealistic. You want a little more? H'okay. I'm game...

You're off base. I'm not trying to present a dilemma, false or otherwise. I was merely asking Jules to clarify what they were trying to say, since it was all muddled.

Yes, they are trying to keep it simple, and they are taking the high road...for now. It has to be kept simple because there are a lot of simple people that have lots of mis/disinformation filling their heads. Also, the high road needs to be taken initially so as not to lose their attention prematurely, we can always transition them to the "kill 'em all" meme once we have buy in.


The Baron is a class act, not to be dismissed lightly, but I have to agree with Jules and others. The idea that the response to Islam can be non-violent except in direct self-defense is, well, foolish. And dangerous.

I'm with you on that. I'm already there, but, we're sort of in the minority right now. We need to get a LOT more folks on our side, and seeing the situation for what it is. And you do not do that by starting the dialog with a call to launch ARCLIGHT raids at dawn.

But even more appalling is that I note, with great displeasure and much loss of boggle, that they have completely isolated their view of the "important" issues to Islam and jihadists. They give a pass to everyone else... WTF?

It's a start, it will evolve, and, by and by people will start to see the hand writing on the wall. But first you have to get their attention and hold it. Aren't you one of the folks that regularly gripes that leftists always want to NOT do something just because it isn't perfect?

Grrrrr. Remarkably dumb for seemingly bright people. I feel like a Rant...

Yeah...there's a lot of that around. Isn't there?
Rant on oh Rantmeister! I ain't touchin' it...mainly because it expresses my own sentiments, mostly.
Posted by Greremp Uleremp6059 2006-12-23 17:07||   2006-12-23 17:07|| Front Page Top

#28 Lol. So you're gonna wear the stealthy sheep's duds until the buy-in is sufficient to swing them to a more realistic point on the compass? Damn, that may be even tougher that the initial effort.

When folks have to be helped along to see that Islam is no RoP, but a murderous ideology of Global Dominion, replete with death or slavery for all, my boggle begins to smoke and sputter, lol. When 3000+ dead, directly attributable to the "Islamists", ain't enough, then these people have obviously decided that it doesn't pertain to them, unless and until, it's personal.

I do believe that the 910 Group is quite serious about their charter, which I believe makes them completely irrelevant.

I believe we'll get there, sooner rather than later, whether folks "get it" or not:

Islam insists. At least the alQ types do - and that will drag the rest of them into it - and leave no "out" for the slow-learners nor the "high road" types. In other words, it will get personal whether we do the 910 thingy, or the RB thingy, or worry about Donald and Rosie. Personal is coming. Period.

As for the domestic enemies, well... It's gonna get very very nasty. 2008 will be a barn-burner, methinks. Got ammo?
;-)
Posted by .com 2006-12-23 17:26||   2006-12-23 17:26|| Front Page Top

#29 So you're gonna wear the stealthy sheep's duds until the buy-in is sufficient to swing them to a more realistic point on the compass?

You're preaching to the choir. I've been good to go for two years, I'd like nothing more than to exterminate Islam.

My boggle has been a burnt cinder for a long time. I'll let the 910 Group do their thing, and I'll even lend them a hand and a few dollars, but I'm still preparing, and planning on this thing going to an eyeball-to-eyeball knife fight.

I have ammo! You?

As for the domestic enemies, I have a list. You? Viva la 2008! I suspect you are correct.
Posted by Greremp Uleremp6059 2006-12-23 17:37||   2006-12-23 17:37|| Front Page Top

#30 Lol. A duet!
Posted by .com 2006-12-23 17:44||   2006-12-23 17:44|| Front Page Top

#31 All that typin' and thinkin', sheesh. I'm outta practice - and kinda like it that way, lol.

You shouldn't do the stealth thingy. That wuzn't nice, heh.
Posted by .com 2006-12-23 17:47||   2006-12-23 17:47|| Front Page Top

#32 I'm with ya, .com, but the enemy is the MSM. I would prefer to make them disappear in the night. I talked to friends who voted against Santorum and they say that the media told them to do it. They STILL don't realize that the media have an anti-American agenda. This is why I am disappointed with Bush. He could have taken them to task. Instead, he kisses their asses.
There's only 2 ways out of this; Replace the media with right wingers, which would include some violence, or become democrats and take over the donk party and inherit media support.
Posted by wxjames 2006-12-23 18:10||   2006-12-23 18:10|| Front Page Top

#33 I think they're part of the enemy force, indeed, but the MSM's role is to be the PR department for the domestic (and foreign, too, come to think of it) enemies. I won't blink an eye when they get their due.
Posted by .com 2006-12-23 18:22||   2006-12-23 18:22|| Front Page Top

#34 As for Bush, what part of he doesn't control them and they can not cover or drown out or spin anything he says any way they want are you STILL not getting? SHEEFUCKINGSH, lol. I'm sooo tired. Take further argument to someone else. I've said it enough times, in enough ways, that if you were going to "get it" and give him both credit and blame as are actually due, you would be doing it by now. Leave me OUT of further comments until to "get it". Thanks.
Posted by .com 2006-12-23 18:26||   2006-12-23 18:26|| Front Page Top

#35 I'm a long time lurker. This is my first post. I am in awe of the thought and knowledge that goes into many of the post here on RB. But I've finaly decided to post a question.

How long until someone with the means and motivations starts exacting retribution for some of the near treasonous deed some other Americans have comitted? Does anyone see something as serious as the assination of MSM media figures? Or other public figures that actively work to undermine our society? How far will the left and the transi's push until something like this happens?

Second, wouldn't this be a viable alternative to some of the current US policy? For example, it's pretty obvious that nothing is going to get done about Iranian nukes due to the work of the left, the transi's and MSM. How about a stealth airstrike on the Iranian leaders when they are gathered in one place then nothing but denials from our government? Might be a cheap way to help other countries imiprove their attitudes.

The US responds: "Nope, wasn't us."

Any comments?
Posted by jds 2006-12-23 19:24||   2006-12-23 19:24|| Front Page Top

#36 Welcome to Rantburg, jds.

How about a stealth airstrike on the Iranian leaders when they are gathered in one place then nothing but denials from our government? Might be a cheap way to help other countries imiprove their attitudes.

For just-about-forever, myself and others here have been advocating a decapitation strike against Iran's leadership during a full session of their majlis (congress).

As to what you are suggesting about reprisal against the domestic MSM. Your ideas are bandied about quite frequently but, since it involves the murder of fellow Americans, no matter how repellent, it does not get a lot of air time.

I will certainly agree that a good portion of America's survival does indeed hinge on the public finally purchasing a clue as to whose side the MSM is really on.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-12-23 19:50||   2006-12-23 19:50|| Front Page Top

#37 The MSM is on the side of whoever makes them the most money.
Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues  2006-12-23 19:52||   2006-12-23 19:52|| Front Page Top

#38 "How long until someone with the means and motivations starts exacting retribution for some of the near treasonous deed some other Americans have comitted?"

My best guess is that things would have to get pretty dire before we'll see any of that. Right now the American public is pretty ignorant of what's going on, and apparently wants to remain that way. Until there is a mass public perception that things have gone very, very wrong, there isn't going to be much pressure to change.

"Does anyone see something as serious as the assination of MSM media figures?"

Nope.

"Or other public figures that actively work to undermine our society?"

Nope.

"How far will the left and the transi's push until something like this happens?"

I'd say that when they reach the point where they make a move to confiscate all guns, that's when all Hell will break loose.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2006-12-23 20:01||   2006-12-23 20:01|| Front Page Top

#39 I agree with Dave D. Most people are more iterested in what Britaney Skank Spears is doing or how the mud-slinging between Rosie O'Dumbell and Donald Duck Trumpetnose Is going.
Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues  2006-12-23 20:04||   2006-12-23 20:04|| Front Page Top

#40 Zenster,

I enjoy your work and often find myself agreeing your ideas. I agree that the idea of killing Americans without due process is repellent. It is murder. But at some point some qaulified and trained people may decide that they owe thier alligence to the Constitution (transitively, the USA) and this may override thier distaste in killing "fellow Americans" <- and I use that term loosely.

After all we've fought one civil war already.

Posted by jds 2006-12-23 20:07||   2006-12-23 20:07|| Front Page Top

#41 jds, I would disagree on the terminology "We've fought one Civil War already". Strictly speaking, Civil Wars are fought when one faction wants to overthrow the rule of another faction. The Confederates did not want to overthrow the Government of the United States. I do believe we will fight a true Civil War in the near future.
Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues  2006-12-23 20:18||   2006-12-23 20:18|| Front Page Top

#42 jds, far more important right now is that conservatives somehow get out the message of the MSM's betrayal of America. The yawning gulf between reality and what is shown on the nightly news needs to be exploited. This is one of the principal reasons that the republicans took such a beating in the midterm elections. They were off-message and the mainstream media channels were having a field day without having to dodge any return fire (so to speak).

The media excells at "Oooh ... look, something shiny." The American viewing public adores bright and shiny. Someone needs to find the intellectual honesty and moral courage to thrust dark and scary into the public's eye. It must be done without fearmongering or panic-button tactics.

There is real danger out there and most people are more worried about Brangelina and Tomkat than how their political complacency is inviting another round of 9-11s.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2006-12-23 20:31||   2006-12-23 20:31|| Front Page Top

#43 OK, here's a clarification.

RE: To nuke or not to nuke. I think it would be smart for the US not to make commitments to what it will or won't do. Doing so hobbles the US, and just as importantly, tempts our adversaries to call us on it. I can imagine scenarios in which nuclear use might well be justified as a technical first-strike. For example-what if the US were not attacked by Iran, but Israel was? What if Iran attacked Israel with a nuclear bomb? You may want to engage "in the hard work of working politically and using the legal tools of information warfare" in the aftermath, but as for me, I would prefer to see the US "remove a great danger with a grand technological feat." The destruction to Israel merits it. Striking Mecca with a nuclear weapon at that point could not technically be defined as a defensive response on the part of the US, yet it is a response certainly proportional to the act that provoked it.

I am not willing to commit to never using nuclear weapons against Islam except as a response.
Posted by Jules 2006-12-23 20:37||   2006-12-23 20:37|| Front Page Top

#44 Wow .com, that was a major brain dump. Amongst the stuff, I think you hit on somethin'. Santorum is exactly the sort of guy Pubs need out front. And, he's got time on his hands. If he could get some money backing, he could be a winner. If that ass McCain is nominated, we're gonna go down fersure.
Posted by SpecOp35 2006-12-23 20:44||   2006-12-23 20:44|| Front Page Top

#45 Welcome to the conversation, jds! Interesting questions you came up with, and some interesting answers, ladies and gentlemen. Personally, based on no information than my own feelings, I'm not much concerned about an assassination campaign inside the U.S, where people can be arrested and tried for agree-upon crimes. I know it isn't happening as often as I think it should, but that option hasn't been taken off the table. And assassination of citizens just doesn't seem the kind of thing our police and troops would be interested in doing. Perhaps my opinion is coloured because I just finished reading Orson Scott Card's Empire, which addressed this very question... and concluded that's the behaviour of the bad guys, not the good guys. Of course, I'm a naive little Midwestern civilian housewife with no personal knowledge of the harder realities of life, so please weigh my opinions accordingly. ;-)
Posted by trailing wife 2006-12-23 23:02||   2006-12-23 23:02|| Front Page Top

#46 "Wow .com, that was a major brain dump. Amongst the stuff, I think you hit on somethin'."

Brain Dumper. Yep, that's me awright. Been doin' it fer awhile now. Glad I hit something.
Posted by .com 2006-12-23 23:31||   2006-12-23 23:31|| Front Page Top

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