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2007-01-12 Home Front: Culture Wars

US Judge: I Swear By Allah On My Holy Quran

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Posted by Sneaze Shaiting3550 2007-01-12 06:20|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I am reminded of the old "loyalty oaths" that many people had to sign as a condition of employment even back in the 1960s. Typically, they were something like this:

"I further swear (or affirm) that I do not advise, advocate or teach, and have not within the period beginning five (5) years prior to the effective date of the ordinance requiring the making of this oath or affirmation, advised, advocated or taught, the overthrow by force, violence or other unlawful means, of the Government of the United States of America or of the State of California and that I am not now and have not, within said period, been or become a member of or affiliated with any group, society, association, organization or party which advises, advocates or teaches, or has, within said period, advised, advocated or taught, the overthrow by force, violence or other unlawful means of the Government of the United States of America, or of the State of California. I further swear (or affirm) that I will not, while I am in the service of the City of Los Angeles, advise, advocate or teach, or be or become a member of or affiliated with any group, association, society, organization or party which advises, advocates or teaches, or has within said period, advised, advocated or taught, the overthrow by force, violence or other unlawful means, of the Government of the United States of America or of the State of California..."

However, there is no reason in the world that a loyalty oath cannot be expanded to include renouncing activities that are clearly illegal in the United States.

Things beloved of Islam, like slavery, polygamy, honor killing, unlawful discrimination, utterance of threats, forced marriage, and membership in organizations that promulgate these things.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-01-12 09:13|| 2007-01-12 09:13|| Front Page Top

#2 The Quran (Pig Crap Be Upon It)

Amen to that.

Posted by Excalibur 2007-01-12 09:52|| 2007-01-12 09:52|| Front Page Top

#3 No such controversy swirled around me when I was sworn into office in July 2000 as the first Muslim judge in the history of the state of Maryland, and one of only three Muslims in the United States who had ever so served.

Uh, two things here...(1) 9/11 happened between this guy's swearing in and Ellison's, and (2) he was a STATE judge...not exactly something that'll make National News, like Ellison did.

It would be interesting to look into Judge El-Amin's rulings. Maybe ExJAG or someone in the legal realm can investigate? And, in the meantime (Chuck Darwin), I'll google him.

Posted by BA 2007-01-12 10:22|| 2007-01-12 10:22|| Front Page Top

#4 Interesting. He was born (1949) in Charleston, WV (not exactly a hotbed of terror). Yale undergrad, Univ. of Maryland law school. Member of Blue Knights Int'l Law Enforcement Motorcycle Club!

Posted by BA 2007-01-12 10:26|| 2007-01-12 10:26|| Front Page Top

#5 So will the testimony of an infidel be worth 1/2 that of the master religionists in Judge Amin's court?

Posted by ed 2007-01-12 10:27|| 2007-01-12 10:27|| Front Page Top

#6 An Islamic oath may not mean quite what an infidel might think

for example (from the Bakhari hadith collection)

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Narrated Aisha:

Abu Bakr As-Siddiq had never broken his oaths till Allah revealed the expiation for the oaths. Then he said, "If I take an oath to do something and later on I find something else better than the first one, then I do what is better and make expiation for my oath."
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expiation typically means giving to charity or setting a slave free or equivalent

Posted by mhw 2007-01-12 11:18|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2007-01-12 11:18|| Front Page Top

#7 He probably doesn't have many opportunities to write opinions. MD district courts deal with ash'n'trash like traffic tickets, misdemeanors, and small claims. Unless he refuses to issue protective orders against abusive Muslim men or blows off female witnesses, I think shari'a is mostly silent on the matters he deals with.

Besides, this "what's the big deal" business? The fact that he's a Muslim would seem to be less important that the fact that he's just a dick.

Posted by exJAG 2007-01-12 11:54|| 2007-01-12 11:54|| Front Page Top

#8 my wife proudly held our Yusuf Ali translation of the Quran

BZZT, sorry Judge. There is no such thing as a translation of the koran. What your wife was holding was a transliteration of the koran, not a koran.

Posted by Parabellum 2007-01-12 17:29|| 2007-01-12 17:29|| Front Page Top

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