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2007-02-15 Home Front: Culture Wars

Relative denies Islam drove Salt Lake killer

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Posted by ryuge 2007-02-15 07:15|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "We are Muslims, but we are not terrorists," the boy's aunt, Ajka Omerovic, said Wednesday. She rejected any religious motive for the shooting and said the family is as mystified as anyone in a city that logged just eight homicides in 2006.

How many of those eight homicides were committed by the same man at the same time? And why did the 'tard reporter feel that statistic was relevant?

And anyone want to bet that any computer this guy had was purged by his relatives before the search warrant could be issued?

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2007-02-15 08:00|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2007-02-15 08:00|| Front Page Top

#2 I'm under the impression that computer forensics is so good nowadays that nothing less than running a magnet over the hard drive will keep everything from being found... and pretty quickly, too.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-02-15 08:09|| 2007-02-15 08:09|| Front Page Top

#3 so, what will they find on the computer - 1. links to jihadi websites and al qaeeda manifestos 2. mods for Doom and Quake, links to goth sites, poems in tribute to the Columbine shooters and against athletes and preppies? 3. Some combination of the above?

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-02-15 09:55|| 2007-02-15 09:55|| Front Page Top

#4 TW. When you remove a file, contents aren't erased. OS only marks the blocks as available for reuse so it is very easy, provided the OS has still not assigned the blocks to other files, to recover the contents wiuth mere software.

There are shreddder programs who repeatedly overwrite on afile before deleting it but you can still recover content with hardware. However it is quiete error prone and very unrealiable for compressed files where usually the 1,000,001 byte can't be uncimhered if you miss any of the preceeding 1,000,000.

On Linux we have crypted filesystems.: at boot time you have to provide the key for decrypting and no amount of forenics will recover a single bit if you don't know the key (this if laptop is stolenb, thieves will be able to get zero info from it). Of course there is still the old method of forcing the guy to confess the key.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2007-02-15 10:22|| 2007-02-15 10:22|| Front Page Top

#5 Thank you, JFM. You computer jockeys are pretty clever. :-)

Posted by trailing wife 2007-02-15 10:40|| 2007-02-15 10:40|| Front Page Top

#6 I don't know what will turn up on Sulieman's hardware, but I've got a hunch. The question is, will the gov't share any info witht the public. I ask that question for the reason that the police and FBI were very quick to announce that there is no evidence of terrorism here (pc bullsh*t). They ruled it out? How could it be ruled out?

You've got five non-muslims dead, four more seriously wounded, and the shooter is a muslim. I wouldn't be so quick to rule out sudden jihad syndrome.

Any infidel out there keeping a head count on the number of non muslims murdered or injured post 9-11 by muslims here in the USA?

Posted by Mark Z">Mark Z 2007-02-15 11:58|| 2007-02-15 11:58|| Front Page Top

#7 Well, Mark, I remember at least 2 events (not long after 9/11):

(1) the shooting at the El-Al counter at LAX.
(2) the shooting up of that synagogue (in LA?).

Seems like there was another shooting in an apartment complex where 1 guy (neighbor) shoots up another guy next door.

Posted by BA 2007-02-15 12:17|| 2007-02-15 12:17|| Front Page Top

#8 As a longtime Linux guy...JFM is right on. However, the probability of a home system running an encrypted filesytem is almost nil.

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2007-02-15 12:25|| 2007-02-15 12:25|| Front Page Top

#9 and...He is a muslim, and he is a terrorist. You're telling me that when a person methodically walks through a mall terrorizing hundreds of people with a weapon, shoots 9 innocent people, murders 5 with intent to murder more is not an act of terror????

He is an islamic terrorist. Maybe not the classic definition we have grown to despise...but an islamic terrorist none the less.

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2007-02-15 12:32|| 2007-02-15 12:32|| Front Page Top

#10 Mark Z - no evidence for != ruling out

BA - it was a Jewish community center, in Seattle

any - so were the Columbine shooters "Christianist terrorists" (even though they target christians? After all they were nominally christian, and we dont know if this guy was more than nominally muslim, and they terrorized)
Was Ivan Boeskly a "Judaist swindler" (Well im sure all the antisemite web sites think so)?

Unless hes shown to have some religious or political motivation, hes merely a shooter who happened to be muslim.

mark z - five non-muslims dead. Well, what are the odds of hitting a muslim if you go shooting at random in a mall in SLC?

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-02-15 13:16|| 2007-02-15 13:16|| Front Page Top

#11 #10./ LH, By your token, a mossie bomb in a market-place down-town Bagdhad, what the chances it kills mossies?

Posted by rhodesiafever 2007-02-15 13:23|| 2007-02-15 13:23|| Front Page Top

#12 pretty high. So what?

Not everyone who kills in Baghdad is trying to kill Mussies. There are common criminals, for ex. But after almost 4 years, ive yet to hear of a Goth video gaming trenchcoat wearing type setting off bombs in Iraq, and Ive heard of plenty of instances of bombs going off being claimed by AQ and other Sunni groups.

Im sure IF there was some deranged mentally ill guy determined to do a Columbine in Iraq, hed do it in the name of Allah, cause thats the culture. That seems to be what happened at the JCC in Seattle, and it could well be what happened in SLC, which is why I suggested option 3. But Im not sure.

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-02-15 14:01|| 2007-02-15 14:01|| Front Page Top

#13 LH...I don't recall the Columbine teens being "Christian". My recollection is that they were pretty involved with the goth scene, and were agnostic. I understand your point, though. But I think the point could easily extend to the "Catholic" IRA, the "Protestant" Ian Paisley-Unionist gangs, and a host of secular-muslim terror groups.

Calling them "Christian" terrorists, IMHO, is a stretch.

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2007-02-15 14:28|| 2007-02-15 14:28|| Front Page Top

#14 "My recollection is that they were pretty involved with the goth scene, and were agnostic"

At this point, we dont even know that the SLC shooter was not an agnostic. In Bosnia "muslim" is more or less an ethnic marker - a member of the muslim community, as opposed to Serb or Croat. IIUC you can be an agnostic "muslim" in Sarajevo just as you can be an agnostic serb or croat. Just as, of course, you can be an agnostic in the IRA.

In any case, its also a fact that the IRA is, after all, a terrorist org, with political objectives. This guy may well be a freelancer, and may have had no political objectives.

Grouping some guy who goes on a bender with AQ or Hezbollah just cause hes a nominal muslim, without EITHER any connection to a group OR any evidence of a political-religious motive, reeks of trying to build an unjustified case against muslims. Its the kind of thing that brings the very serious war on terror into disrepute.

Posted by liberalhawk 2007-02-15 15:08|| 2007-02-15 15:08|| Front Page Top

#15 I don't think the WOT is "very serious." I wish it were.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2007-02-15 15:21|| 2007-02-15 15:21|| Front Page Top

#16 The guy was probably a Frustrated, Aimless, and Depressed Muslim Youth that stumbled upon Rantburg and went ape$hit after reading a few articles.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2007-02-15 15:37|| 2007-02-15 15:37|| Front Page Top

#17 LH - I admire the way you play "devil's advocate" and bring up points that are not being considered by others. It keeps the discussions interesting, even when I don't agree with everything you say. And you always seem to try to be reasonable and considerate of others. If the Democrats had as strong a right-wing (along LH-Lieberman-Sam Nunn lines) as it does a left wing, I'd feel a lot better about politics in this country.

Posted by ryuge 2007-02-15 20:29|| 2007-02-15 20:29|| Front Page Top

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