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2007-07-07 India-Pakistan

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Posted by John Frum 2007-07-07 07:05|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top
File under: al-Qaeda in Britain

#1 I'm afraid the same can (will?) be said about US muslims. Right now, we say the same kinds of things as the Indians:

. . . there was something radically different about Indian Muslims that had prevented their engagement in any act of international terrorism.

It's the pundits who say that the US has done a good job of assimilating muslims. But frankly, that's just commentary. All we really know is that they haven't done anything. Yet.

What we DO know is that there are many angry muslims in the US with the same propensity to seethe and blame. We do know that US mosques preach the same wahabbi bulls*it as all the other ones.

So, I'm not convinced that our muslims are "different."

I guess we'll find out.

Posted by PlanetDan">PlanetDan 2007-07-07 08:16|| 2007-07-07 08:16|| Front Page Top

#2 The one difference, Dan, is that there has never been a Muslim government here, as opposed to the Muslim conquest and rule of much of the Indian subcontinent for centuries.

Oh, I know that loonies will claim that once there's a mosque anywhere, they should have full rein for shari'a etc. But that has zero resonance among the (yes) moderate Muslims I know.

Could that change? maybe. Are the nutso fundamentalists among us who are dangerous as vipers if allowed to be? You bet - and the Sauds among others are nurturing them and feeding them bile. Nests need clearing out.

OTOH I like the garden snakes on my property. They keep the rodent population in check and are otherwise harmless. Would hate to kill them off *if* the occasional viper nest could be cleaned out otherwise.

Wipe out the terror networks, hard and thoroughly. Gotta agree we've been less than convincing on that.

Posted by lotp 2007-07-07 08:24|| 2007-07-07 08:24|| Front Page Top

#3 > Oh, I know that loonies will claim that once there's a mosque anywhere, they should have full rein for shari'a

That's why mosques should be removed from civilisation.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2007-07-07 09:14|| 2007-07-07 09:14|| Front Page Top

#4 The one difference, Dan, is that there has never been a Muslim government here

There never been a Muslim goverment in "Palestine", lotp---doesn't stop "Palestinians" from being most enthusiastic, if not the brightest, Muzzi terrorists.

IMO, the only thing that can prevent Muslim terrorism is fear of retaliation. That's why there are "classical" terrorist attacks in Spain & Britain but only SJS in USA and car burnings in France.

Posted by gromgoru 2007-07-07 09:21|| 2007-07-07 09:21|| Front Page Top

#5 " He dismisses calls for a 'political solution' for terrorism, noting that Sikh terrorism did not end because of political negotiations. It ended because his policemen killed all of the terrorists."

I think this guy has figured it out!

Al

Posted by Frozen Al 2007-07-07 11:37|| 2007-07-07 11:37|| Front Page Top

#6 Hey Bright Pebbles, I was thinking you used to sign as "Bright Pebbles from Blairistan." Is it now "Bright Pebbles from Brownistan?" Just curious. Lot of fun with Brownistan, eh?

Posted by JohnQC 2007-07-07 12:20|| 2007-07-07 12:20|| Front Page Top

#7 Brownistan looks increasingly likely.

I'm waiting till he does something really cowardly.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2007-07-07 13:21|| 2007-07-07 13:21|| Front Page Top

#8 I like the garden snakes on my property. They keep the rodent population in check and are otherwise harmless. Would hate to kill them off *if* the occasional viper nest could be cleaned out otherwise.

Without wishing to be argumentative, what if your garden snakes looked exactly like the vipers? Would you be willing to osrt them out if the only way to do it was by paying $100.^oo per snake to make the determination?

Delicately sorting between whatever "moderate" Muslims there are and the radical they have such a difficult time bringing themselves to out on their own would likely require 277 surveillance of each suspect individual. Just as with my observation regarding your snake analogy, the expense of sorting through them would be prohibitive.

Irshad Manji mentions in her article, "Religion is the root cause of terrorist threat":

Although the vast majority of Muslims aren't extremists, it is important to start making a more important distinction: between moderate Muslims and reform-minded ones.

Moderate Muslims denounce violence in the name of Islam but deny that Islam has anything to do with it. By their denial, moderates abandon the ground of theological interpretation to those with malignant intentions, effectively telling would-be terrorists that they can get away with abuses of power because mainstream Muslims won't challenge the fanatics with bold, competing interpretations. To do so would be admit that religion is a factor. Moderate Muslims can't go there.

Reform-minded Muslims say it's time to admit that Islam's scripture and history are being exploited. They argue for reinterpretation precisely to put the would-be terrorists on notice that their monopoly is over.

Ms. Manji has it right. After over a half-decade of deafening silence, being a "moderate" Muslim no longer carries any weight. Through their continued silence they have unadmittedly or intentionally facilitated Islamic terrorism.

Through inaction "moderate" Muslims have evolved into being part of the problem. There is so much that they could do to assist in the eradication of terrorism and yet so little is done. While a snake may not be able to change its stripes, Muslims can agitate for change here in the safety of America's legal system.

Unfortunately for all concerned it would seem that America'sand the world's"moderate" Muslims have chose to play chameleon instead. They adopt whatever protective coloration suits their own aims best without regard for the well-being of their host country. Protection of Islam outstrips any possible appeal to a sense of loyalty or patriotism.

I am not prepared to have our government spend untold billions patiently sorting through Muslims who refuse to voluntarily differentiate themselves on no uncertain terms. The ambiguity that they purposefully cultivateeven if by defaultis intolerable. They have no problem posing a gigantic drain upon our overburdened social services structure yet cannot bring themselves to be supportive of the government that provides those selfsame vital services.

This sort of Muslim ingratitude is repeated upon the world's stage each and every day. It signifies only one thing, a deep and abiding allegiance to Islam above all else and a refusal to actively pursue reformation of this intolerant creed.

Ms. Manji is absolutely right to discern between "moderate" Muslims and reformers. Only one of them can claim to be part of the solution. Far too many American Muslims elect to remain part of the problem and for that willful lack of cooperation they need to begin paying a penalty. The deafening silence of "moderate" Muslims facilitates terrorism and is therefore wholely unacceptable.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-07-07 17:59|| 2007-07-07 17:59|| Front Page Top

#9 Indian Muslims carry out less acts of terror because they have been made aware that there is a cohesive network of Hindu militants who would exact revenge if they did. Nevertheless, Deoband is a hotbed of Islamofascism. As is Gujurat. Muslims are passive when they have to be; aggressive when they have the numbers.

Note: Pakistan's borders contained about 20% Hindus at Partition; that has been reduced to 1%.
India's borders contained 8% Muslims at Partition; that has increased to 15%. America is friendlier to Pakistan than it is to India. That is f---ed up!

Posted by Dino Pholuque2950 2007-07-07 18:12|| 2007-07-07 18:12|| Front Page Top

#10 Dino, for a long time the leftist governments in India were hostile to the US and very cozy with the USSR. That's changing, but there are still significant pockets of influence in India who dislike the growing alliance w/ the US.

Posted by lotp 2007-07-07 19:41|| 2007-07-07 19:41|| Front Page Top

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