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2007-08-18 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by Whomong Crolutle9790 2007-08-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 When I saw it had been attacked by F4Js I believed planes had straffed the memorial. Too much reading about the F4F Wildcat, F4U Corsair and F4 Phantom.s

Posted by JFM">JFM 2007-08-18 03:47|| 2007-08-18 03:47|| Front Page Top

#2 Hang them at the site, and leave their corpses to rot.

Posted by Natural Law 2007-08-18 11:37|| 2007-08-18 11:37|| Front Page Top

#3 The protest marks the start of the group's US campaign.

Yes, this stunt should create a veritable tidal wave of support for their cause...

Posted by tu3031 2007-08-18 11:45|| 2007-08-18 11:45|| Front Page Top

#4 From MensNewsDaily.com

Here's an article headline from UK's Guardian:

Activist fathers held at gunpoint

Two British Fathers 4 Justice activists were arrested at gunpoint by a Swat team at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC

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And now a few comments from our "friends" the US conservatives:

Lincoln Memorial Attacked
"#2 Hang them at the site, and leave their corpses to rot."

This is how you treat legitimate civil disobedience? These so-called "conservatives" are nothing of the sort: they are neo-fascist dogs.

Count me fed up.

Posted by MNDNET 2007-08-18 15:36|| http://mensnewsdaily.com]">[http://mensnewsdaily.com] 2007-08-18 15:36|| Front Page Top

#5 These are FATHERS that have been shafted by the system, YOUR system. Apparently you've signed on to leftist liberal lies about dead-beat dads. I haven't been to this site before; are all you a bunch o' fookin' hairy-feminist lovers? If not, step up to the plate and defend those fathers that want their kids in their life. Don't just sit here bitching; do something, or suffer the consequences when it's your turn..

Posted by Omeng Turkeyneck6409 2007-08-18 15:41|| 2007-08-18 15:41|| Front Page Top

#6 2/3s of child support cases are in arrears in the US, probably higher in the UK where the nanny state absolves people even more from their actions. You can dip your dick but you can't dip into your wallet to raise the child YOU produced? Want to talk about shafted? Compare the number of mothers and children struggling to make rent to the number of dads clambering for custody. I dare say it's 100:1.

What this shows is a lack of responsibility and an unwillingness to face the consequences of their own making, much like the whining from those who so cavalierly violated the most sacred American national symbol and suffered the consequences. Want sympathy? Assure child support is paid by those who owe it and not the taxpayer. Only then will the long suffering public give a damn about you and your childish defacement of our symbols.

Go back to England and petition your own MPs or go piss on Nelson's statue. I don't care which.

Posted by ed 2007-08-18 16:07|| 2007-08-18 16:07|| Front Page Top

#7 I actually think this is good agit-prop, using the same method as the Usual suspects; I wish them luck, though, modern western societies have be re-rigged as fatherless societies, from "father knows best" to "family guy" (the show with Peter Griffin) if you wish, with all that entails. Courage, fellows!

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-08-18 16:07|| 2007-08-18 16:07|| Front Page Top

#8 "Yet again Fathers 4 Justice in the UK has led the way with an audacious protest to raise the global profile of fatherlessness and the social catastrophe it is causing in first world countries."

Ya know, I thoroughly agree re: the social catastrophe, but the part about "once more the UK has led the way with an audacious.... " is pretentious posturing crap IMO.

Let's see. Non-citizens go to my nation's capital, scale a key landmark/memorial and people are surprised / outraged they were arrested? Post 9/11 they're lucky they weren't shot first and questioned later.

Sorry guys. I am 100+% behind promoting fatherhood. I am also quite aware of deadbeat dad cases that affect families I know. Deadbeat is wrong. Keeping fathers from kids is equally wrong and a social disaster.

But climbing the Lincoln Memorial in the height of tourist season, post 9/11, isn't "audacious". I can think of a lot of terms for it, but that one somehow doesn't spring to mind ....

JMNSHO

Posted by lotp 2007-08-18 16:48|| 2007-08-18 16:48|| Front Page Top

#9 Assure child support is paid by those who owe it

America has recently made passport renewal contingent upon having all delinquent child support over a few grand paid in full. You'd be amazed how these deadbeats suddenly can cough up tens of thousands of dollars when an overseas boxing match or business deal is suddenly at stake.

I watched my father liquidate most of our family's assets to pay high-priced lawyers so he could get child support payments whittled down to $75 bucks per kid each month. How curious that nearly all of his children have moved out of state or refuse to talk to him ever again.

Absentee fathers are a principal contributor to modern society's high juvenile crime rate and poor scholastic performance. The black community, especially, is crippled by such neglect. These slacking self-indulgent wankers should be pilloried and horsewhipped.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-18 16:55|| 2007-08-18 16:55|| Front Page Top

#10 Sorry about that rant in #8.

As a baby boomer, I've had to put up with these sorts of 'clever' stunts for decades, aimed at a large variety of 'causes'. It's soooo last year / decade / generation.

When anyone - much less foreigners - does it on the Mall, at a memorial I love, it goes beyond being tiresome to me and moves smack into anger-making territory. No matter what the cause they are protesting / advocating / advertising / hoping to get Gretta Van Susteren or Nancy Grace to interview them for.

Posted by lotp 2007-08-18 17:10|| 2007-08-18 17:10|| Front Page Top

#11 as a divorced father who spent close to $40K to get custody of my three kids, and successfully raised them myself, I have the ability to say good message - stupid presentation. Idiots. Way to turn people against what is an otherwise righteous position, F4J's!. BTW - my youngest turned 18 yesterday and starts college monday, so I have the right to be proud. For Brits to do this on an American National Memorial shows a tin ear of terrible proportions

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-08-18 17:41|| 2007-08-18 17:41|| Front Page Top

#12 I have the right to be proud.

You most certainly do, Frank. Both of my parents attended one of the finest universities in this entire world yet neither of them ever bothered to help their children with any homework or gave a royal shit about them getting a higher education. Oh, did I mention that my father was a school teacher?

lotp, your rant and anger are both entirely justified.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-18 17:51|| 2007-08-18 17:51|| Front Page Top

#13 BGTW, anon5089 made an important point. Father's rights issue is just a part of the problem. Men have been diminished and ridiculed for years in ads, TV shows and movies. It's corrosive and has had horrible effects socially.

I'm not willing to go back to a time when women were equally ridiculed and treated as inherently stupid / inept. (Yes, there was such a time in living memory, alas.)

Somehow we've got to find a way to restore dignity to our culture and respect both sexes on an equal basis without either ghettoing one or pretending there aren't differences between them. Us. Y'all.

Frank, big congrats on the youngest!

Posted by lotp 2007-08-18 18:25|| 2007-08-18 18:25|| Front Page Top

#14 BGTW

Posted by lotp 2007-08-18 18:25|| 2007-08-18 18:25|| Front Page Top

#15 Thx - it helped that I had children that were inherently good people, and family support in every way

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-08-18 18:35|| 2007-08-18 18:35|| Front Page Top

#16 Father's rights issue is just a part of the problem.

Definitely so butspeaking as a manthose rights deserve to be on a back burner until socio-economic gender equality is finally achieved. Women are still inherently discriminated against in the working world, both financially and in terms of career advancement. During the 1980s my college graduate sweetheart was outraged at how Iwith only a high school diplomamade more money than she did.

However, once that gender equality is obtained watch for all hell to break loose over things like a father's right not to have an unborn child aborted, custody and ex-wives paying child support to men who have custody. It will certainly make for some interesting times.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-18 18:35|| 2007-08-18 18:35|| Front Page Top

#17 A man friend of mine has recently gone through a flesh-eating divorce and custody battle; the results were beneficial to no one, particularly the child.

I'm not sure how scaling the Lincoln Memorial helps the cause of my friend and his kid.

Leave our monuments alone, dammit.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2007-08-18 19:07|| 2007-08-18 19:07|| Front Page Top

#18 lotp agreed. Congrats too Frank on your youngest.
I divorced after my kids were grown and out of the house, so that was good. Although I wish that my kids would have a dad, he has to do alot of work first, but it may be too late, the kids have already disowned him. Sorry too much info.

Posted by Jan 2007-08-18 19:11|| 2007-08-18 19:11|| Front Page Top

#19 Glad to see this!!! Men in the U.S. are 4th class citizens. Too bad we don't have any "men" in the U.S. who have the balls to do this. Thanks to our UK brothers!!!!

Posted by Denis 2007-08-18 19:25|| 2007-08-18 19:25|| Front Page Top

#20 no arguement for standing up for fathers rights, but during these times, not at the Lincoln Memorial for Petes sake.

Posted by Jan 2007-08-18 19:33|| 2007-08-18 19:33|| Front Page Top

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