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2007-11-25 Africa Subsaharan

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Posted by anonymous5089 2007-11-25 07:33|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 It's depressing to unlearn things that we learned as children as we grow up.
(1) There is no Santa.
(2) Ain Rand was an anal retentive.
(3) Josef Mccarthy wasn't a fiend in human form.
(4) Ben Gurion screwed up biiiig.
(5) George II is his father's son.
(6) Colonialists weren't so bad.

I could go on, and on, and on....

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2007-11-25 07:55|| 2007-11-25 07:55|| Front Page Top

#2 "They shall not grow old,
As we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them,
Nor the years condemn.

At the going down of the sun,
And in the morning,
We will remember them.
We will remember them."

Dankie Smithy, and dankie ooks jou ananymous.

Posted by Besoeker 2007-11-25 08:11|| 2007-11-25 08:11|| Front Page Top

#3 Besoeker, I plan to buy those in a couple months

THE BUSH WAR IN RHODESIA (there was a related dvd named "The Saints", with materials from the time, but it appears to be gone).

FIREFORCE

Posted by anonymous5089 2007-11-25 08:20|| 2007-11-25 08:20|| Front Page Top

#4 I finished Robb Ellis' "Without Honour" while I was in the ITO. Robb really does explain the futility of western "think." Let me know how your reading goes.

Posted by Besoeker 2007-11-25 08:26|| 2007-11-25 08:26|| Front Page Top

#5 Paul Themba Nyathi, a leader of the opposition Movement for Democratic Change, who had fought Smiths regime tooth and nail, told me that in retrospect Smiths Rhodesia had been a paradise.

"We're f*cked"

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-11-25 09:54|| 2007-11-25 09:54|| Front Page Top

#6 Nyathi and Smith, of course, had missed a golden opportunity.

I realize there's a crowd here that thinks the old Rhodesia was better than the current day Zimbabwe, and in a number of ways they're right. But one point that should be made: the old Rhodesia denied basic political and human rights to most of the population. That was not just wrong, it was untenable in the modern world.

Smith tried to fix that by installing a puppet black government, but that got no support from the majority population.

Smith then made his big mistake by negotiating with Mugabe.

If he's gone with the other tribes in Rhodesia and set up a true, federal, inclusive government, Mugabe might have been pushed aside. That would have made life today a lot better.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2007-11-25 11:49|| 2007-11-25 11:49|| Front Page Top

#7 That was not just wrong, it was untenable in the modern world.

Seems to work in Venezuela and many other places. long as the thug is spouting anti-Yankee rhetoric he's the darling of the elites and media who don't give a rat's ass about human rights. Such regimes receive special protection of the ~~League of Thugs~~ UN and the Security Council.

If the people don't eat, if they're not secure in their person, family, or property, the facade of government doesn't make any difference.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-11-25 13:16|| 2007-11-25 13:16|| Front Page Top

#8 Posted by: Steve White 2007-11-25 11:49 But one point that should be made: the old Rhodesia denied basic political and human rights to most of the population. That was not just wrong, it was untenable in the modern world.

Steve: Not suggesting any sort of sjambok nostalgia, but nearly from the birth of his nation, Smith was fighting an insurgent war. A communist insurgency hosted by the usual suspects, Russia, Cuba, and every other communist country able to send arms, advisors, and finances. It was an MSM unpublisized conflict, ignored by the west, and fought on all borders resulting in a dreadful list of casualties. In fact, Rhodesia suffered WIA/KIA in proportion to it's population, far greater than the US suffered in Vietnam. The enemy, by the way.... were not disgruntled Swedes or mad Englishmen. The "denial of political and human rights" can often be the product of martial law as a nation struggles to survive. Following Pearl Harbor FDR signed Executive Order 9066, and the Canadian government took similar measures. General Tommy Franks has predicted extreme measures to include martial law, should our country come under attack in the GWOT. Smith was a patriot who did the best he could do with what was available to him. He clearly predicted the outcome we see now and he was saddened by it.

Posted by Besoeker 2007-11-25 14:20|| 2007-11-25 14:20|| Front Page Top

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