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2007-12-18 Science & Technology

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Posted by Anonymoose 2007-12-18 19:04|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 Lest we fergit, GLOBAL ANALYSIS > THE SOVIETIZATION OF AMERICA. Post-Cold War, in the name of War = GWOT + National Security + Defense of Liberty/Freedom.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-12-18 19:31|| 2007-12-18 19:31|| Front Page Top

#2 save consumers $40 billion in energy and other costs from 2012 to 2030, avoid construction of 14 coal-fired power plants

How much in the way of petroleum products would be saved? Not having to build new power plants, with commensurate improvements in the power lines and such, is good, too. In a similar vein, my energy company asked us to accept some sort of thingy that would turn off the air conditioner for a minute or two every hour during high energy draw periods in the summer.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-12-18 20:22|| 2007-12-18 20:22|| Front Page Top

#3 Not that I'm against saving energy, mind you. But the pushers of compact fluorescent bulbs haven't come up with a good recycling plan for them when they burn out - and they do burn out - I don't believe the life statistics since I've used them for the last 5 years and know their durability first-hand. The recycling problem is that they contain a small amount of mercury. Normal disposal of regular fluorescent tubes requires purchasing a box at a price (ca. $50) from a hazardous waste hauler which can hold maybe a dozen or so tubes. When the CF bulb pushers discover this problem, it'll be about 2 years into the program. Mark my words.

Posted by WTF 2007-12-18 21:02|| 2007-12-18 21:02|| Front Page Top

#4 Can we outlaw congress?

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-12-18 21:24|| 2007-12-18 21:24|| Front Page Top

#5 WTF, I totally agree with you on both counts: I started using these bulbs two years ago, and have a basket full of burnt-out ones. They don't go into the trash because of the mercury.

This is definite proof that senators are so estranged from the common experience of the people: if they had to pay for and install their own light bulbs, they'd know this stuff is shit.

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2007-12-18 21:25|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2007-12-18 21:25|| Front Page Top

#6 Better would have been massive subsidies for LED bulbs .. GE would hate it as they have a 100 year lifetime.

Posted by 3dc 2007-12-18 22:12|| 2007-12-18 22:12|| Front Page Top

#7 LED is the way to go

Posted by OldSpook 2007-12-18 22:26|| 2007-12-18 22:26|| Front Page Top

#8 A friend elsewhere has suggested that we are doing this because tungsten is too valuable to be used for light bulbs any more. The US supply is too small, and the Chinese don't want to export it, because they want it for their stuff.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-12-18 22:39|| 2007-12-18 22:39|| Front Page Top

#9 Interesting, Anonymoose. LEDs aren't quite ready for the retail consumer, but it's coming fairly quickly, I think.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-12-18 22:57|| 2007-12-18 22:57|| Front Page Top

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