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2007-12-26 India-Pakistan

Hindus launch attacks on Indian churches

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Posted by Seafarious 2007-12-26 04:26|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 Vestiges of Thuggees?

Sorry but this should be under WOT.

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#2 Injured VHP leader alleges Congress leader behind attack

BHUBANESWAR: VHP leader Swami Laxmanananda Saraswati, who was injured in an attack in Kandhmal district, which led to large scale violence and arson in the district, on Tuesday night alleged that a senior Congress leader was behind the attack on him.

Eighty-year-old Saraswati, who led an anti-conversion movement was shifted to the SCB Medical College Hospital at Cuttack from Darinigibadi government hospital, told reporters that a group of villagers launched an attack on him on Monday at the instruction of the Congress leader.

"They attacked to eliminate me," he said adding this was for the seventh time that they failed to kill him.

Saraswati, who is a member of the VHP's 'margadarshak mandali', was attacked by a group of villagers while he was on the way to Brahmanigaom on Monday.

His driver and personal security guard were seriously injured in the incident and his car badly damaged.

While Saraswati was admitted at Darinigibadi government hospital, his security guard was rushed to M K C G Medical College Hospital at Berhampur.

Sources said the district administration of Kandhamal preferred to shift Saraswati to Cuttack hospital apprehending more danger in the locality due to presence of the VHP leader in Daringibadi area.

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 07:14|| 2007-12-26 07:14|| Front Page Top

#3 Fresh communal trouble in Orissa despite curfew

Despite indefinite curfew, fresh communal violence was reported on Wednesday morning from Orissa's riot-hit Kandhamal district with clashes in various places and a church and a former MP's house being attacked.

According to police, hundreds of tribals attacked a church at Sarsalanda village under Sadar police station, about 20 km from Phulbani town. A mob also vented its ire on the home of former MP Sribatsa Digal in Line Pada at Phulbani town, an official of the district intelligence bureau said.

Besides, there were reports of communal clashes from half a dozen places but the details were awaited due to "disruption of communication", the official said.

All these incidents occurred late on Tuesday night despite curfew being imposed in the troubled areas of Baliguda, Daringbadi and Brahmani Gaon as well as at the district headquarters of Phulbani.

Curfew was clamped on Christmas night after one person was allegedly killed and over a dozen injured in clashes between Hindus and Christians in the wake of a shutdown called by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) to protest an attack on a Hindu leader.

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 07:21|| 2007-12-26 07:21|| Front Page Top

#4 The trouble had started on Monday morning in the Christian-majority Brahmanigaon village, 150 km from the district headquarters of Phulbani, over Christmas celebrations.

While the Christian community wanted to celebrate the day in a grand way, the local Hindus opposed the plan, Bhol said.

This led to clashes between the Hindu and Christian groups. The attack on Saraswati led to escalation in the violence.

Besides the VHP, the local Kui tribal community had also given a shutdown call demanding immediate solution to their problems. The clashes took place mostly when VHP supporters attacked shops in various places.

At least a dozen churches and a dozen of vehicles including two police vehicles were set on fire. Besides, the protestors attacked house of the elder brother of the state steel and mines minister Padmanav Behera and torched one of his vehicles on Tuesday, police sources said.

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 07:23|| 2007-12-26 07:23|| Front Page Top

#5 Fresh violence in Orissa

Fresh violence broke out on Wednesday outside curfew-bound Barakhama and in Jaleshpata area where unidentified persons set afire houses and indulged in stone-throwing, causing minor injuries to eleven people.

Police said while four houses were torched outside Barakhama, six others were set on fire in Jaleshpata.

Though additional units of security personnel were rushed to the affected areas, their movement was restricted due to felling of trees by unidentified persons.

The violence took place after an attack on VHP leader and prominent anti-conversion activist Laxmanananda Saraswati on Monday.

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 07:29|| 2007-12-26 07:29|| Front Page Top

#6 NASA Earth at Night Image

The dark region on the east coast of India is Orissa

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 07:43|| 2007-12-26 07:43|| Front Page Top

#7 Ironically backward Orissa was once Kalinga.. one of the oldest democracies in the world. A republic of free men and women.

When the Indian Emperor Ashoka (230 BC) demanded that they submit to his rule, they refused, saying that they freely choose their rulers.

Ashoka invaded. The people of Kalinga resisted fiercely so he leveled the place to the ground. Hundreds of thousands were killed. Sometime after the battle, Ashoka went out to tour his new conquest. All he saw for miles were burnt houses and corpses. This sight made him sick and he cried out "God, what have I done?".

He converted to Buddhism, renouncing war and forbidding the killing of any living thing.

It was Ashoka who sent missionaries to spread the Buddhist faith throughout Asia.

But two thousand years later.. Orissa seems to be in the same condition that Ashoka left it...

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 08:00|| 2007-12-26 08:00|| Front Page Top

#8 Lets wait and see how much actual truth is in this report.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2007-12-26 08:12|| 2007-12-26 08:12|| Front Page Top

#9 #8 written before I've seen John's posts.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2007-12-26 08:15|| 2007-12-26 08:15|| Front Page Top

#10 Nehru, with his paternalistic bent, is partly to blame for all this. He passed laws preventing residency and sale of land in the tribal areas, believing that he was preserving their way of life and culture.

The result was zero development.

The tribal areas don't have the anywhere near the amenities of even deprived rural area. There are occasional reports of starvation deaths in isolated areas.

Life is really nasty, brutish and short.

Many tribals were probably just looking for an excuse to loot and burn.

Being at the bottom of the socioeconomic system, they are surprisingly caste conscious. One would think that caste violence is primarily perpetrated by upper caste people. Actually it is mostly done by those just one rung above those at the very bottom.

There is resentment at the aid the missionaries bring and tremendous fear at being eclipsed economically and socially by those traditionally at the very bottom. So you have people of say, the fishing net-weavers caste oppressing those of the mud-brick makers caste.

Hence the resentment at conversions and the disruption of the social system.

The whole system of tribal 'protection' needs to be swept away... drive some six lane highways and electricity pylons through the area, setup some SEZs and bring those people into the early 20th century

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 08:32|| 2007-12-26 08:32|| Front Page Top

#11 I suspect that the Hindus are going bonkers here, because the Christians have learned their weak spot--that Dalit untouchables don't particularly like being the "designated scum" of their religion and culture.

This makes Christianity an easy sell to them, and is one in the eye of the "better classes".

On top of everything else, the frustrated violence by both Muslims and Hindus at conversion to Christianity doesn't hurt Christian recruitment, it actually helps it. In either case, it reinforces the desire to get out of the former religions and join one that is both more equitable and more peaceful.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-12-26 08:48|| 2007-12-26 08:48|| Front Page Top

#12 Conversion doesn't always help equity. There is the strange phenomenon of "Christian Dalits" who now seek affirmative action quotas because they continue to be at the bottom of the ladder (and oppressed by 'Christians' of a slightly higher 'caste').

Islam also forbids discrimination. Yet in Pakistan you see the same kind of caste violence in rural areas. Muktaran Mai and her brother were raped by fellow muslims of a higher 'caste'.

Sikhism also forbids caste. Yet there are 'Dalit Sikhs' (who also seek affirmative action quotas)

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 08:54|| 2007-12-26 08:54|| Front Page Top

#13 Yet rapid urbanization and industrialization, which would sweep away all of this, is opposed by a coalition of environmentalists, NGOs, leftist missionaries and marxists.

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 08:59|| 2007-12-26 08:59|| Front Page Top

#14 Note the names in this press release by an environmentalist NGO opposed to the building of the Narmada dam in Gujarat)

Arundati Roy and noted film-maker Jharna Jhaveri, visited Chittaroopa Palit and Urmila in jail today. Later on they visited the project-affected villages, where they listened to the adivasis talk about various ways in which the government had bent every rule to deny them their basic rights in rehabilitation

Kamal Mitra Chenoy, professor Jawaharlal Nehru University, Shamisul Islam, noted theatre activist, John Dayal, Secretary General, All India Christian Council and Ajitha, social activist from Jharkhand, from 'Citizens Forum' visited the area on a fact finding mission to investigate the situation pertaining to rehabilitation in the Man project.

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 09:05|| 2007-12-26 09:05|| Front Page Top

#15 Note this report from the riot affected site of a planned Special Economic Zone in Bengal.

The Tribunal, organized by the All India Citizens Initiative, a network of concerned citizens across India, heard depositions from victims, witnesses, social activists, intellectuals, doctors, human rights groups and other concerned organisations.

Tribunal members, which included Prabhash Joshi (Founder Editor, Jansatta), Lalita Ramdas (Social Activist), John Dayal (Member, National Integration Council) and Jyotirmoy Samajder (Psychiatrist), visited the site of police firing and other places in the Nandigram area relevant to understanding the circumstances and nature of the violence.

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 09:10|| 2007-12-26 09:10|| Front Page Top

#16 Another place, another time, same names

The convention has four major demands abolition of the SEZ Act, 2005, abolition of Land Acquisition Act, 1894, resignation of CM Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee and autonomy for peoples institutions at the grassroots to decide issues like land acquisition and development. The convention is being attended by almost 1,000 social workers besides Arundhati Roy, Mahasweta Devi, Medha Patkar, Dipankar Bhattacharya, John Dayal, Debabrata Bandopadhyay, G N Saibaba, Ulka Mahajan and Siddiqullah Chowdhury.

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 09:15|| 2007-12-26 09:15|| Front Page Top

#17 Islam also forbids discrimination

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#18 among muslim men

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 13:58|| 2007-12-26 13:58|| Front Page Top

#19 A story which has been flying under the radar for some time is the rise of Indian racial supremacy ideology, particularly amongst officers in the military.

Apparently, a "master race" philosophy has taken root in that part of the population, with the adherents claiming that since Aryans originated in India that the current Indians of higher caste are the true Aryan master race. I don't know the exact number or percentage of officers who've bought into this, but friends of mine from India say that it is on the increase.

FWIW.

Posted by no mo uro 2007-12-26 19:38|| 2007-12-26 19:38|| Front Page Top

#20 NMU: Apparently, a "master race" philosophy has taken root in that part of the population, with the adherents claiming that since Aryans originated in India that the current Indians of higher caste are the true Aryan master race.

As far as I know, Dravidians originated in India. Aryans mostly came from Iran, who came from Europe.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2007-12-26 21:22|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2007-12-26 21:22|| Front Page Top

#21 The Hindu nationalists don't believe in the Aryan Invasion Theory (or Aryans and Dravidians for that matter)

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 21:27|| 2007-12-26 21:27|| Front Page Top

#22 India Acquired Language, Not Genes, From West, Study Says

Most modern Indians descended from South Asians, not invading Central Asian steppe dwellers, a new genetic study reports.

testing a sample of men from 32 tribal and 45 caste groups throughout India, Kashyap's team examined 936 Y chromosomes. (The chromosome determines gender; males carry it, but women do not.)

The data reveal that the large majority of modern Indians descended from South Asian ancestors who lived on the Indian subcontinent before an influx of agricultural techniques from the north and west arrived some 10,000 years ago.

Peter Underhill, a research scientist at the Stanford University School of Medicine's department of genetics, says he harbors no doubts that Indo-European speakers did move into India. But he agrees with Kashyap that their genetic contribution appears small.

Posted by john frum 2007-12-26 21:42|| 2007-12-26 21:42|| Front Page Top

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