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2008-01-12 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

Full Iranian video of Straits of Hormuz incident

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Posted by gorb 2008-01-12 03:42|| || Front Page|| [7 views ] Top

#1 IIRC - the Iranian vid is of an entirely different ship?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-01-12 09:30|| 2008-01-12 09:30|| Front Page Top

#2 Interesting interpretation I read today about this "incident" is that the Navy may have played it up (i.e., wildly exaggerated it)with the express intent of preventing further non-incidents from becoming the non-incident that starts a war.

In other words, far from highlighting the reality of an Iranian threat that needs to be responded to, the event was blown out of proportion precisely to ensure that a militant over-reaction, confrontation does not occur.

A push for improved communication between the U.S. and Iran so that such a confrontation is actually avoided.

Posted by wakeupbeautiful 2008-01-12 10:11|| 2008-01-12 10:11|| Front Page Top

#3 a push for less bellicose and threatening actions by ~~your~~ Iran would be even better.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-01-12 10:57|| 2008-01-12 10:57|| Front Page Top

#4 Frank: I posted an article a couple of days ago thinking the numbers didn't match. It's because I took the number off the wrong kind of ship that I was wrong about it being another ship. It turns out that at least two of the ships in the Iranian video are the correct ones, and the third is hard/impossible to see without enhancement, so it's probably good footage.

The thing I've heard/seen is that some interloper from shore may have been screwing with the proceedings. Or the interloper could have been on the US ship itself for all we know. Or it could have been done the the US government. Or it could have been one of the Iranian guys screwing around.

There are claims that there are two voices in the audio.

Funny that I don't recall hearing about this before . . . .

Posted by gorb 2008-01-12 11:56|| 2008-01-12 11:56|| Front Page Top

#5 the latest I read (this AM) was that the Iranian vid, which wakeupIran is so enamored over, was taken of the correct ships, same day - different proper passing of the Navy group from another Iran group.... i.e.: not the same incident

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-01-12 12:30|| 2008-01-12 12:30|| Front Page Top

#6 The progressive Left is all churned up thinking that this was supposed to be a 'Gulf of Tonkin' type situation, being ginned up (by us, of course) so that Bush would have justification for flattening Iran. This misses a couple of points, of course.

First, the Navy went out of its way to play this down and to avoid a shooting confrontation. As lotp pointed out the other day, that's our training and discipline, and good thing too.

Second, if Bush decides to flatten Iran, he won't need a 'Tonkin' incident. Think about that one, Short Round.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2008-01-12 13:39|| 2008-01-12 13:39|| Front Page Top

#7 It is also worth noting that Iran has two navies. One is the actual Iranian navy which seems to display at least minimal professionalism. The other is the Revolutionary Guard who are, at best, wacked out religious nutters. I suspect the latter is behind this latest incident.

Posted by SteveS 2008-01-12 13:42|| 2008-01-12 13:42|| Front Page Top

#8 The American Thinker had a good history of our naval combat with Iran. The wikipedia entry included a Lloyd's of London estimate of 430 civilian casualties. I participated in Ernest Will later on, but didn't realize the extent of the preious festivities. I understand the concept of keeping things on the down-low, but maybe the info would have been helpful to me back then.

Posted by Super Hose 2008-01-12 14:22|| 2008-01-12 14:22|| Front Page Top

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