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2008-01-21 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Deacon Blues 2008-01-21 12:15|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 O dear me, she's hopeless and dangerous. Government should ensure TRANSPARENCY in the markets.

It might also have a role to play in preventing systematic risks (like the current monoline disaster).

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2008-01-21 13:35|| 2008-01-21 13:35|| Front Page Top

#2 "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs."

Karl Marx

Posted by tu3031 2008-01-21 13:42|| 2008-01-21 13:42|| Front Page Top

#3 She is indeed dangerous. And determined.

I am not happy with any of the Republican candidates this year, but I sincerely hope all US voters who frequent the Burg are willing to support the nominee against her. Or Obama, for that matter, because the damage either would do in 4 years would be incredibly hard to recover from IMO.

Posted by lotp 2008-01-21 13:42|| 2008-01-21 13:42|| Front Page Top

#4 I am not happy with any of the Republican candidates this year

I like some better than others, tho.

Posted by lotp 2008-01-21 13:46|| 2008-01-21 13:46|| Front Page Top

#5 Hey I can feel your pain, I get to choose between "Dave" Cameron and Gorgon Brown the year after (if there's still a country left).

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2008-01-21 14:40|| 2008-01-21 14:40|| Front Page Top

#6 Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton said that if she became president, the federal government would take a more active role in the economy, ~~wages, medical care, schools, lives, families, farms, children, old folks, church, automobiles, trucks, houses, pets, vacations, literature, television, travel, and hobies to name a few.~~

Posted by Besoeker 2008-01-21 14:46|| 2008-01-21 14:46|| Front Page Top

#7 Does she really believe this $hit, or is this just her control-freak side justifying some kind of venue for expressing itself?

Posted by gorb 2008-01-21 14:50|| 2008-01-21 14:50|| Front Page Top

#8 gorb: she really believes it; in fact i think this is a toned down version because what is really on her mind is truly scary.
the bitch is power mad......

Posted by USN,Ret. 2008-01-21 14:56|| 2008-01-21 14:56|| Front Page Top

#9 TU3031___

" We're going to take things away from you and give them to people howw need them more"

This was in a speech Ms Clinton gave in SF about a year ago or so. Not only is she a marxist, she's a damn plagarist.

Posted by Leon trotsky 2008-01-21 15:07|| 2008-01-21 15:07|| Front Page Top

#10 but she cam probably type better than me....

Posted by Leon 2008-01-21 15:08|| 2008-01-21 15:08|| Front Page Top

#11 One must surely wonder why she was never able to "control" her husband?

Posted by Besoeker 2008-01-21 15:11|| 2008-01-21 15:11|| Front Page Top

#12 Bill's incessant philandering reinforces her 660's mems about the oppression of women, m inorities and anyone who's not a white male, Besoeker. No doubt she's hurt and humiliated, but he also makes her feel SUPERIOR and quite smug.

Posted by lotp 2008-01-21 15:15|| 2008-01-21 15:15|| Front Page Top

#13 Ironically, the stock market is probably going to take a tumble tomorrow. Pity that nobody is going to use the meme: "Hillary gives economic plans, DOW crashes".

Just getting people used to having her associated with catastrophe.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-01-21 15:23|| 2008-01-21 15:23|| Front Page Top

#14 Don't worry so much. This nation has gone thru a hell of a lot of things scarier that Hillary, Obama or McCain.

I know, I know.. things are different now. LOL

We gotz the muslims angrified at us... theys way worser than them RUSSIANS, GERMANS, JAPANEESE, GERMANS, SPANIARDS, POMS, FROGS AND ENGLANDER, INJUNS AND THEM DAMMN TREES. We whipped 'em all. Hell them damn Yankees even got lucky against the finest light infranty the world has ever seen! Shoot! Don't worrry so much. It's a huge country. Bike across it sometime.

Posted by Shipman 2008-01-21 15:29|| 2008-01-21 15:29|| Front Page Top

#15 To be fair, Hillary has never really known all Bill was up to and her ideas certainly aren't what he has championed. The good ole boys from Arkansas spearheaded the cheap labor and illegal immigration that is driving down wages and exporting jobs. How about a novel idea for American taxpayers--equality! A flat tax is more equitable than a progressive tax as it takes an equal percentage of your income! We need to raise revenue to cover our budget deficit, as that is the purpose of taxation, but we can't stifle wealth creation with excessive taxation either. Removing the burden of benefit packages (health care and retirement fund matching) from employers in favor of a standardized national program so people can afford to start competitive small businesses and would allow them to change jobs or move across state lines would also help out struggling families without stifling businesses. The elderly oppose the Fair Tax, as they think it unfairly double taxes them when they can least afford it, but collecting sales tax on yachts as well as canoes would also be proportionate. Unregulated free trade and socialism neither work well and some new ideas should be welcome.

Posted by Danielle 2008-01-21 15:29|| 2008-01-21 15:29|| Front Page Top

#16 Please Mrs. Clinton, tell the American people again and again how you want the government to control the economy more. Please let everyone see your socialist objectives. Please let them see that you want the DMV-mentality to take over every facet of their lives. Please continue to do this so the Republican nominee can just play it over and over and over again.

Posted by remoteman 2008-01-21 15:37|| 2008-01-21 15:37|| Front Page Top

#17 Hillary has never really known all Bill was up to

Do you honestly believe the smartest woman in the world didn't know everything that billy boy was up to? Don't be naive. As long as he kept her in power and money, it was A-OK

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-01-21 15:40|| 2008-01-21 15:40|| Front Page Top

#18 Don't worrry so much. It's a huge country. Bike across it sometime

Haven't biked across it, but I've driven through much of it and lived in a dozen or so states. Yeah, it's a great country. And huge.

It's not that Hillary could totally wreck the country. But in power she could do a lot of damage. Think of her working closely with Pelosi in a Dem majority Congress, both houses.

For 4 years while the Iranians complete their uraniaum enrichment and refine their ability to copy Chinese nukes using German-supplied engineering and milling equipment.

Not a scenario I'd like us to work through if we can avoid it.

Posted by lotp 2008-01-21 15:45|| 2008-01-21 15:45|| Front Page Top

#19 like 2 or 3 Ruth Bader Ginsbergs on the SCOTUS?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-01-21 15:46|| 2008-01-21 15:46|| Front Page Top

#20 As far as the Judges.... they gotta get by the Senate, I know at least one blue dawg won't vote for 'em.

Far as every thing else?

I'll be honest with you... (Ima lying), regardless of the hand-wringing, hand-waving and sincere speech..... there's only one damn thing in the world that counts. That's the Ohio SSBNs on patrol. All else is wasted worry. We'll get recessions, maybe even a depression or 2. But nothing, nothing on gawds green earth can fuck with the USN. Now that's the truth.

Posted by Shipman 2008-01-21 15:57|| 2008-01-21 15:57|| Front Page Top

#21 The Appropriations Committee can. And will, if the Dems are able to swing it.

Posted by lotp 2008-01-21 16:01|| 2008-01-21 16:01|| Front Page Top

#22 Don't forget that Hillary continues to stand by her "suspend disbelief" statement re: Petraeus.

I've talked with military who had to escort the Clintons on various occasions when Bill was in the WH. She treated them like shit - openly hostile and dismissive, when there was nothing at stake other than their required presence during a Clinton visit to a military post. Nasty, gratuitous stuff.

She hates the military. Really hates those who serve. These fine officers had no doubt whatsoever about that.

FWIW

Posted by lotp 2008-01-21 16:04|| 2008-01-21 16:04|| Front Page Top

#23 Weve done it in previous generations, she said, alluding to large-scale public projects like the interstate highway system and the space program. But weve got to have a plan.

Hers will run four years instead of the traditional five.

Danielle:

Removing the burden of benefit packages (health care and retirement fund matching) from employers in favor of a standardized national program so people can afford to start competitive small businesses and would allow them to change jobs or move across state lines would also help out struggling families without stifling businesses.

Uh, no. What that will do is guarantee crappy health care for everyone except those with the cash to travel overseas to where ever our best doctors end up. It'll also give the government an "in" to controlling the details of how we live, since suddenly it's a public policy matter whether or not you work out and how often you eat ice cream. Gimme liberty over the illusion of "free" health care, thank you.

And, guys, Clinton's much more a national socialist than an international socialist. She preaches the whole "it takes a village" and "politics of meaning" crap.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2008-01-21 16:14|| 2008-01-21 16:14|| Front Page Top

#24 If she were to win the Democratic nomination and the general election, she would most likely take office at a similar economic moment as her husband, with the economy struggling to emerge from a downturn.

*jaw drops*

ISTR the economy *grew* in 1992. The press and the Democrats (but I repeat myself) simply ignored that because they needed something to attack Bush.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2008-01-21 16:20|| 2008-01-21 16:20|| Front Page Top

#25 Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton said that if she became president, the federal government would take a more active role in the economy to address what she called the excesses of the market and of the Bush administration.

Because of all your much tauted "executive experience" during the Dotcom Boom that ended with the Bust and recession that you passed to George, makes you oh so qualified on what to do. No excess during that period. Nothing to see here. Memory hole open!

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-01-21 16:37|| 2008-01-21 16:37|| Front Page Top

#26 Mr. Clinton pushed through an economic plan without a single Republican vote.

What odds there will be a Democratic majority in both Houses of Congress in 2009? And that this Clinton will be able to dicker effectively?

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2008-01-21 16:47|| 2008-01-21 16:47|| Front Page Top

#27 What odds there will be a Democratic majority in both Houses of Congress in 2009?

Almost certain.

Posted by Shipman 2008-01-21 17:00|| 2008-01-21 17:00|| Front Page Top

#28 If the people want to go to hell, it's our job to help them get there.

Posted by Ollie Holmes 2008-01-21 17:09|| 2008-01-21 17:09|| Front Page Top

#29 ^^^^^ That :(

Posted by Shipman 2008-01-21 17:22|| 2008-01-21 17:22|| Front Page Top

#30 #7 gorb - why can't it be both?

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-01-21 17:58|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-01-21 17:58|| Front Page Top

#31 "Hillary has never really known all Bill was up to"

Sure she did, and it was just fine, as long as it kept him off of her. Once was just enough.

If she succeeds in her 'punish the rich' - as in high income - program (as I suspect she will), I do believe I'll retire and let all you proles take care of me. I don't think I'll be alone, and as we transfer more and more of the tax burden onto fewer and fewer taxpayers the whole darn scam will come tumbling down. It won't be pretty.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2008-01-21 18:34|| 2008-01-21 18:34|| Front Page Top

#32 Two things;

1. Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.
2. This was written in 2004

The overall level of GDP (Chart 2) was $9.89 trillion (in 2000 dollars) when Bush was elected and $9.87 trillion in the third quarter of 2001, when the 9/11 terrorist attacks occurred. Exactly three years later, GDP is $10.88 trillion, a 10 percent real increase. To put that in perspective, just the growth of the U.S. economy over the past three years is larger than half of the entire French economy.

Want more? Hokay Chief...skip forward to late 2007, US GDP is 13.7 trillion (French GDP 1.87 trillion)

Real GDP growth in the US was 4.9%! in Q3 2007 - what's that?, 671 billion, it's the entire economy of Switzerland AND Austria. Or put another way, the growth in the US economy *in three months* is equal to a third of the entire French economy, or the total economy of Switzerland and Austria - you choose.

You don't want to mess that up, do you? ;)

Posted by Tony (UK) 2008-01-21 19:36|| 2008-01-21 19:36|| Front Page Top

#33 Tony (UK),

Information that you have put up on your comment is factual information. Sorry, in America now, factual information is no longer considered printable. Our media is so not interested in integrity anymore. For example, in Texas, a blimp passed through an area whose residents have never seen a blimp pass through on its way to the Cowboy, Giants game. The local "newspaper" reported it as a UFO, and continued to do so even after many people told them it was a blimp. The "newspaper" did not want to hear it and continued to report it as a UFO for two weeks, everyday.

What does all this mean? It means Hillary can lie and lie and lie about the economy, and the main source of information to Americans will print her lies over and over and over again until she wins and wrecks America. It took Reagan 8 years to untangle what the dems did on the home front and it has taken 8 years to try to untangle what Billary did on the Al Qaeda front.

She wants to take from American citizens and give to Mexican citizens. And the result is that she keeps winning primaries.

Posted by www 2008-01-21 20:44|| 2008-01-21 20:44|| Front Page Top

#34 We'll do our best to strengthen the right, Tony. Trailing daughter #1 and her cohorts will be voting, too, although td #1's only considerations so far are: not a Democrat, absolutely not Hillary, and no to anyone John Kerry has ever been for. She's looking forward to her first election, with td #2 looking eagerly over her shoulder toward 2010. Ohio is one of the key states this time around; in 2010 we'll lose delegates when the census numbers cause rebalancing.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2008-01-21 20:54|| 2008-01-21 20:54|| Front Page Top

#35 Please note that Hillary! seems to spout some serious Socialist bullshit like this approximately every six weeks since she's been running for president. www is spot on that mere facts such as Hillary!'s Marxist bent is not well reported on, if at all.

Best rejoinder for the Republican nominee for this issue - show replays of the Berlin Wall being torn down.

Posted by Raj 2008-01-21 21:13|| 2008-01-21 21:13|| Front Page Top

#36 Hillary's senior thesis at Wellesley praised radical left activist Saul Alinsky. There's no evidence she's ever moved very far from those beliefs. Certainly she learned her confrontational, hardball political approach from Alinsky.

Posted by lotp 2008-01-21 21:22|| 2008-01-21 21:22|| Front Page Top

#37 @www - seems to me the local fishwrap was after a story to sell, and wasn't too concerned about the truth of it - ah well, another nail in the coffin of the dead tree press. Seen the NYT stock price recently?

@tw - pretty mature thinking there from the TD's (I didn't have my 'awakening' until much later - sadly).

Posted by Tony (UK) 2008-01-21 21:36|| 2008-01-21 21:36|| Front Page Top

#38 I was a late bloomer too, Tony. But the td's read Rantburg, and even comment occasionally, so they have the benefit of informed opinion. I had the New York Times and National Public Radio news. But their generation gets their news on-line, and knows about Wikipedia's biases and incomplete information.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2008-01-21 22:02|| 2008-01-21 22:02|| Front Page Top

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