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2008-07-31 India-Pakistan

Countering al Qaeda, a must-read for Pakistan

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Posted by Fred 2008-07-31 00:00|| || Front Page|| [10 views ] Top
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#1 The problem is that none of the other terror outfits declared war on America, carried out significant terror campaigns and finally attacked on American soil killing close to 3,000 civilians (I consider the blind sheikh, Hezbollah and Paleos the same ilk as AQ). Read Andy McCarthy as to why policing and G2 just doesn't cut it. Plus that is the Kerry / Obama / Democrat approach. Do we really believe you defeat AQ that way? And Rand is even suggesting that since 48% of terror groups get incorporated into coalition governments (i.e. Northern Ireland?) then what do we do if we tell AQ to lay down their arms and agenda and join the Pakistani or Afghanistani or Saudi Arabian governments? Would we want an AQ as part of the Iranian government? I don't think so. I think the study is well done quantitatively but its recommendations do not fit defeating AQ.

Posted by Jack is Back!">Jack is Back! 2008-07-31 08:22|| 2008-07-31 08:22|| Front Page Top

#2 U.S. policymakers should end the use of the phrase war on terrorism

Ah, here it is. They started with the answer, and worked backwards from there.

Posted by gromky 2008-07-31 09:33|| 2008-07-31 09:33|| Front Page Top

#3 What this thinking also misses is that we are not only fighting al Qaeda in North/South Fubar but the Taliban, effectively a proxy militia of the ISI. There is no need to invite the Taliban into the government of Pakistan, they are the government of Pakistan.

Our problem is that we are at war with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and Iran and for a variety of reasons refuse to admit the fact. RAND should know better.

Posted by Excalibur 2008-07-31 09:49|| 2008-07-31 09:49|| Front Page Top

#4 Interesting talking points, but where is it that RAND can show success with their recommended methods? Seems to me that most every trick in the book has been tried by someone, somewhere, at sometime. It's easy to claim failure of OPS(Other People's Solutions). It tain't so easy to maintain one's own "solution" against knowledgeable skeptics. I didn't see the whole report, but what I saw looked like a bag'o'buzz. More work on this report is needed to make it useful. If I'm wrong, please help me understand. We all could use a few good solutions in this area, whether they be marines, better equiped village cops, vaccine clinics, or economic aids. Anything that works short of total genocide.

Posted by Richard of Oregon 2008-07-31 11:01|| 2008-07-31 11:01|| Front Page Top

#5 If you make them part of the coalition than truly the terrorists have won and their tactics have been proven effective. This would be the absolutely last ditch, we're gonna lose otherwise, tactic if you ask me.

If we call off the War on Terror and return to police type action we are telling the terrorists of the world that there is a line. On one side you can kill as long as you don't kill too many, the other side says kill so many and we'll kick your arse for awhile. This sents the groundwork for perpetual low-level terrorism.

However if we change tactics and go from overt War on Terror (which fatigues Western consciousness) and go to a special forces, special ops, and mercenary level to press the fight on until victory we might be able to continue while allowing our military and war weary citizenry to rest and recoup. This strategy says that terrorism will be dealt with, we're done with this killing civilians nonsense.

I think course three is the best. To continue with our current strategy of removing governments that sponsor we are going to seriously wear down our troops through constant deployments.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-07-31 11:22|| 2008-07-31 11:22|| Front Page Top

#6 I seem to recall a number of Euro terror outfits that did not survive the fall of communism and the loss of their state sponsors.

I suspect that if the ISI ceased to exist, if certain wealthy Arab sponsors suddenly expired, we may see the same with a number of jihadi groups.

Posted by john frum 2008-07-31 15:28|| 2008-07-31 15:28|| Front Page Top

#7 I'm not sure if that will work or not but I'm 100% behind your plan.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-07-31 17:33|| 2008-07-31 17:33|| Front Page Top

#8 John's plan is the cleanest, most efficient, fewest casualties on all sides and cheapest but not PC.

Comments that I had on the DoDBuzz on the RAND report follows:

RAND has missed the point in that that lawfare only works in a society that believes in the rule of law. Since there are many in the world that do not follow that premise, lawfare did not and will not work. That the police and the courts will take care of it attitude at places like RAND and the halls of government is the primary reason our troops have had to be used to address the problem after the failure of lawfare policys.

The use of modern police techniques by the military does not negate the need for military presence to make it work. Passing some laws and telling the police and courts to take care of it will not address terrorism or radical Islam.

Posted by tipover 2008-07-31 22:40|| 2008-07-31 22:40|| Front Page Top

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