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2009-09-30 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Israeli injured in WB shooting; settlers blame checkpoint removal

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Posted by Fred 2009-09-30 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 Another sacrifice to "World Opinion".

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-09-30 03:17|| 2009-09-30 03:17|| Front Page Top

#2 a sacrifice to the notion of settling without regard to strategy or security, in isolated spots beyond the security barrier.

The removal of road blocks, in addition to assuaging opinion in Israels main trade partners and in its principal ally (whose President has now walked back from a settlement freeze) has also enabled an economic boom in the WB which has strengthened Fatah against Hamas, and which has given the WB a stake in stability. The economic peace is Bibis big initiative, and I think Bibi knows quite well what he is doing. Far more than folks who think a nation of seven million people can afford to completely ignore opinion amongs it trading partners.

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 09:55|| 2009-09-30 09:55|| Front Page Top

#3 15 years of post-Oslo experience show that your statement is total bull, liberalhawk

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-09-30 11:16|| 2009-09-30 11:16|| Front Page Top

#4 If you want to count unbalanced UN resolutions and snarky articles in the press you can. If you want to count trade and cultural relations, that gives a different result.

Do you want to watch the mouth, or the hands?

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 12:23|| 2009-09-30 12:23|| Front Page Top

#5 I'd count dead bodies, blown-up pizza parlors and "Death to Juice" proclamations. Although, I suppose that if the body parts are thrown a long distance they can be considered outliers for statistical purposes.

Posted by SteveS 2009-09-30 13:08|| 2009-09-30 13:08|| Front Page Top

#6 outliers for statistical purposes.

Your room, SteveS.

Posted by trailing wife 2009-09-30 13:56|| 2009-09-30 13:56|| Front Page Top

#7 well the pizza parlors have been pretty safe since 2004/2005, and even Sderot has been quiet since Cast Lead. So something seems to be working, on the ground.

But of course I read grom in 1 as saying that Israel got nothing out of world opinion, and that was what my #2 was about. Not the body count, but what Israel got in return for concessions from the world, not from the Pals. I think the appropriate metrics for that are trade and other things that make life in a small country viable.

In terms of the Pals, are you suggesting that economic improvement in the WB hasnt improved the security situation?

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 14:11|| 2009-09-30 14:11|| Front Page Top

#8 "Death to Juice" proclamations

From WHOM? From Abbas and Fayed? from Hamas? From dinnerjacket? From Sarkozy,Brown, and Merkel? From ANSWER?

I mean the eliding of distinctions is cute and all that, but as some point adults have to make policy, and that means making relevant distinctions.

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 14:13|| 2009-09-30 14:13|| Front Page Top

#9 Liberalism: an ideology, or a form of learning disability?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-09-30 14:40|| 2009-09-30 14:40|| Front Page Top

#10 are you capable of actually, you know, discussing the issues at hand, like the route of the security barrier and the location of settlements, as opposed to calling names?

RB has this wonderful fantasy world thing sometimes - I can defend a policy being carried out by an Israeli govt headed by Bibi Netanyahu, and I am accused of being a learning disable liberal for that reason. Oy.

Posted by liberalhawk 2009-09-30 14:45|| 2009-09-30 14:45|| Front Page Top

#11 are you capable of actually, you know, discussing the issues at hand

Nope.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-09-30 15:02|| 2009-09-30 15:02|| Front Page Top

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