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2009-11-21 Science & Technology

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-11-21 07:23|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top

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I fixed this; raw links break the Burg. Please embed properly as shown above; or even better, as Bright Pebbles just did below. AoS.

Posted by Parabellum 2009-11-21 08:48|| http://sidemeat.wordpress.com/]">[http://sidemeat.wordpress.com/] 2009-11-21 08:48|| Front Page Top

#2 Hacker Releases Data Implicating CRU in Global Warming Fraud (Updated)

The CRU Hack

Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute

The warmist conspiracy: the emails that most damn Jones

Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'?

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2009-11-21 09:22|| 2009-11-21 09:22|| Front Page Top

#3 The MSM has picked up the story. Several scientists named have confirmed the emails are real.

Posted by lex 2009-11-21 09:53|| 2009-11-21 09:53|| Front Page Top

#4 The end of "Cap and Trade", WindTurbines, Green Cars, and a whole host of nonsense brought on by these EcoFacists.

Posted by Slats Glugum8164 2009-11-21 11:29|| 2009-11-21 11:29|| Front Page Top

#5 From the link in lex's post.

In a 1999 e-mail exchange about charts showing climate patterns over the last two millenniums, Phil Jones, a longtime climate researcher at the East Anglia Climate Research Unit, said he had used a trick employed by another scientist, Michael Mann, to hide the decline in temperatures.

Dr. Mann, a professor at Pennsylvania State University, confirmed in an interview that the e-mail message was real. He said the choice of words by his colleague was poor but noted that scientists often used the word trick to refer to a good way to solve a problem, and not something secret.

This doorknob tries to make the use of the word trick look like no big deal by saying that the decline in temp is a problem they hid.

Posted by Mike N. 2009-11-21 11:41|| 2009-11-21 11:41|| Front Page Top

#6 Slats, don't be naive. Even if the emails are real, it doesn't change the need to control the economy. People who believe in AGW don't let silly things like facts get in their way.

Posted by Rambler in Virginia">Rambler in Virginia 2009-11-21 11:41|| 2009-11-21 11:41|| Front Page Top

#7 scientists often used the word "trick" to refer to a good way to solve a problem, "and not something secret."

Keep digging, fool. At this rate scientists will soon be viewed by the public as no more trustworthy than used car salesmen.

Posted by lex 2009-11-21 11:44|| 2009-11-21 11:44|| Front Page Top

#8 careers should be ended over this - start with that fat f*ck AlGore

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2009-11-21 11:45|| 2009-11-21 11:45|| Front Page Top

#9 Even if the emails are real, it doesn't change the need to control the economy.

Or the need to suck up to grantmaking authorities in academe, government, the left-lib foundations.

Grant $$$ is any research scientist's lifeblood. So long as those holding the purse-strings insist on fealty to AGW dogma, the grant recipients will toe the line.

Posted by lex 2009-11-21 11:46|| 2009-11-21 11:46|| Front Page Top

#10 careers should be ended over this - start with that fat f*ck AlGore

That horse is out of the barn. $529m loan awarded by DOE to Gore's electric sports car startup. Which is in Finland. Which does not even have a prototype.

Gore = another one of the Obama-era's new Oligarchs.

We're all Russians now.

Posted by lex 2009-11-21 11:52|| 2009-11-21 11:52|| Front Page Top

#11 While this will hopefully expose some of the ideology that drives the AGW debate, it will do little to change the ideology of ideologues like Al Gore and his followers. The sad part in all of this is that an important issue has been completely politicized to the point where the facts and science don't matter anymore. In essence, the issue has been fascistized.

I knew this was the case several years ago when my beloved sister, who is no fool, told me that fighting global warming was the "moral imperative" of our generation. I replied that I thought the debate was ongoing and that while we should continue to study the science and facts, I was not convinced that global warming, if it existed at all (a possibility I was and am entirely open to), was driven primarily by human activity. Given her position on the morality of the global warming issue, I asked her if my position made me a bad or evil person in her mind. Her response, "no comment."

Posted by eltoroverde 2009-11-21 11:55|| 2009-11-21 11:55|| Front Page Top

#12 Follow the money, dudes. Our oligarchic overlords are rushing to shovel federal and state $$$$$ into alt energy projects at the same time they have huge personal investments in alt energy private equity and VC funds.

The most notorious of these VCs is Silicon Valley's Kleiner Perkins, whose lead partner, Vinod Khosla, had the gall to actually try to get a ballot initiative passed in CA that would have shoveled over a billion in state $$$$$ into his own alt-energy investment portfolio.

The corruption is so blatant, it's not even remarked upon.

Oligarchs, arise. You have nothing to lose but your shame (such little as may exist)

Posted by lex 2009-11-21 12:01|| 2009-11-21 12:01|| Front Page Top

#13 Far more important than oligarchs and private equities, just what the hell are grocery stores gonna do with all them green grocery bags?

Posted by badanov 2009-11-21 12:11|| http://www.freefirezone.org]">[http://www.freefirezone.org] 2009-11-21 12:11|| Front Page Top

#14 What really, really frosts my tomatoes is that Al Goreacle chose to build his electric car company in FINLAND, not the US. Rips any pretense of patriotic intent off his dishonest, manipulative facade. Thank God he didn't win Florida!

Posted by NoMoreBS">NoMoreBS 2009-11-21 12:17|| 2009-11-21 12:17|| Front Page Top

#15 Note to 'pub congress critters - "Call in the DOE note NOW, of course with the daily accrued interest".

Posted by Mullah Richard 2009-11-21 12:20|| 2009-11-21 12:20|| Front Page Top

#16 #1 ??????????????

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-11-21 12:31|| 2009-11-21 12:31|| Front Page Top

#17 g(r)omgoru and others: to embed a link,

1. type the word the link will be attached to, eg "link #1" or "The CRU hack"

2. Go to the webpage you want to link, and do a Copy on the address/URL.

3. Come back to your comment, and click the icon of the circle sitting on the oval that's in the row of icons below the comment box. It's just to the right of the little A to big A icon.

4. Paste your copied web address into the box that pops up. Click on OK.

It took me quite a while to figure this out after the icon appeared. I was still using the HTML code 'a href=URL'link'/a' (with angle brackets replacing the single quotes) until someone else mentioned the icon recently.

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2009-11-21 13:24|| 2009-11-21 13:24|| Front Page Top

#18 We're all Russians now.
Posted by lex 200

Damn, too much perspective and way to scary because it all seems so obvious now.

The third world is poor because of corruption at all levels. The US is heading that way. Currently our corruption is mostly on the top but with them pissing on our laws and beliefs long before that trickles down?

Posted by rjschwarz 2009-11-21 14:46|| 2009-11-21 14:46|| Front Page Top

#19 That's exactly what I did (not for the first time too), TW.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-11-21 15:43|| 2009-11-21 15:43|| Front Page Top

#20 That's the limit of my expertise, g(r)omgoru. The next question always seems to be what browser you are using -- I use Firefox, which doesn't seem to allow embedding pictures using Fred's cute little tool... or I could just be doing it wrong, which is too frequently the case. :-(

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2009-11-21 16:47|| 2009-11-21 16:47|| Front Page Top

#21 I haven't seen the documents or traced the context. To give the devil his due the word "trick" is sometimes used to describe a clever analysis technique. If it works the authors are quite proud of it and get it published as quickly as possible. So it should be straightforward to find out if the "trick" was deceptive or honest: find out what the trick was and do a literature search.
I'm agnostic about AGW, but I'm certain that I know the motives of the politicians pushing it.

Posted by James">James 2009-11-21 17:03|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com] 2009-11-21 17:03|| Front Page Top

#22 If the published letter is real, Phil Jones was lying, and my previous comment does not apply.

Posted by James">James 2009-11-21 17:26|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com] 2009-11-21 17:26|| Front Page Top

#23 James, all well, but in this case the "trick" is related to how to manipulate and massage the data so that the hockey stick would miraculously appear.

I don't consider that clever, but simply dishonest if I close both eyes.

Posted by twobyfour 2009-11-21 17:34|| 2009-11-21 17:34|| Front Page Top

#24 you know what would really suck? Having prepaid reservations to the Copenhagen GWB confab. Place is gonna be like a communist party reviewing the success in meeting the last 5-year plan. Quell fun!

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2009-11-21 18:03|| 2009-11-21 18:03|| Front Page Top

#25 Since the operative word is "hide", not "trick", who cares what he meant by the latter?

It won't affect Gore, he's a politician. Nobody expects honesty from a politician, especially not one known (fairly or not, depending on your partisan bias) as a compulsive liar.

What it *should* affect is the reputation of these climatologists who have been posing as scientists while practicing politics. The emails show them behaving abominably by professional standards, or par for course for partisan hacks.

Posted by Mitch H.">Mitch H. 2009-11-21 18:03|| http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]">[http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/] 2009-11-21 18:03|| Front Page Top

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