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2010-06-16 China-Japan-Koreas

China's Military Threatens America: We Will Hurt You'

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Posted by ed 2010-06-16 07:23|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top

#1 We are all genuinely concerned about China.

You only need to look at the culture that is coming out of the place to be worried.

On the Economist website, CCP spies snow the comments page if there is any unfavourable story about China say or the Dalai Llama is featured.

It's very rah rah Chinese Government is GREAT, US just trying to keep us down etc

It is sooooo Liebensraum (sp?) in flavour...

we need to expand and you're not letting us. The sense of entitlement is scary.

Or in Australia... when the Falun Gong wanted a protest rally, the Chinese Embassy allowed its CCP goons to organise a threatening counter rally and basically shut it down.

Freedom of speech was crushed in Australia that day - by a foreign power.

They locked up Stern Hu because they didn't like Rio Tinto negotiating hard for good iron ore contracts.

They have probed the northern coastline of Australia

All they need is a couple of aircraft carriers and their naval might will supercede America's in the next 2 years.

When they are militarily more powerful than the US, which is stretched and can barely keep the peace in two tinpot middle eastern disaster spots (afghanistan and iraq) then how do you think these two will go with each other?

China *wants* to flex its muscles.

No wonder the response from the US has been muted. They would be afraid to provoke a confrontation and rightly so. That is the fear of an intelligent, rational state.

Nobody wants to see a war between the US and China because it would be a world war and nukes would have to be used to win. And china has those, too.

Posted by anon1 2010-06-16 08:39|| 2010-06-16 08:39|| Front Page Top

#2 Of course no one will examine the internal contradictions that China must face to keep the game going. It's one thing to 'expel the foreigner' as the rallying cry to keep unity within a society, but it becomes difficult when the foreigner is someone your growing and productive middle class seek to emulate and model themselves upon.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-06-16 09:35|| 2010-06-16 09:35|| Front Page Top

#3 Anon1, my hope is that America will start addressing this in January, 2013.

In the meantime, Australia would be wise to get its ducks in a row.

Posted by Steve White 2010-06-16 09:37|| 2010-06-16 09:37|| Front Page Top

#4 No country would want a nuclear shooting match with us or any other nuke state. The winner of such would be unrecognizable from the loser. I think we are giving China a lot more credit than they warrant here, 2 years to surpass us with carriers, they are still a 2nd world country and limited by their military culture; a few loud Generals and a million dumbass privates.

Posted by bigjim-CA 2010-06-16 11:51|| 2010-06-16 11:51|| Front Page Top

#5 The Chinese could certainly build or buy a couple of carriers. But then they'd learn that driving them around the ocean is the easiest part -- using them as actual warfighting platforms is another matter.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2010-06-16 12:18|| 2010-06-16 12:18|| Front Page Top

#6 China is making the same bet the Russian strategists did, that is, we wouldn't be the first to use nukes. So if they cripple our communications with trojans hidden in the cheap electonics we buy from them and via their very experienced hackers, they can score some serious victories from the initial (surprise) attack using conventional means. They assume that we would be too crippled to fight back effectively with conventional forces and wouldn't resort to nukes as long as they don't threaten to occupy US territory. Initially they'll settle for kicking us out of Asia.

Posted by Thusosh Hitler2080 2010-06-16 14:30|| 2010-06-16 14:30|| Front Page Top

#7 I remember a War College paper on the 2020 war with China, starting with a naval confrontation over the Spratley Islands in the South China Sea, and their winning. The lead up storyline has been playing out with amazing coherence, and the breakneck pace at which we are going bankrupt means that the military cuts looming will be enormous. In this poker game they seem to have the chips and are getting the cards nto go all in over their emerging Imperial aspirations. We ignore their fairly overt policy pressures and massive spying/technology theft/infrastructure preparations at our peril! They are methodically laying the groundwork for war, or more likely, a winning confrontation with Obumble in 2012?

Posted by NoMoreBS 2010-06-16 16:17|| 2010-06-16 16:17|| Front Page Top

#8 IMO many in Beijing = CPC [ fomrer CCCC] want RISING + ANY GLOBAL SUPERPOWER CHINA to be like the COLD WAR USA andor USSR-Soviet Union, which they feel is being hamstrung by international posturing in setting up OWG-NWO, + espec pro0-OWG US plans to deploy LIKELY US-DOMINATED GMD-TMD around the World, including in thier own Asian backyard.

1990's "GLOBALISM" = OWG-NWO = indics or infers the END OF TRADITIONAL/CLASSIC STATE-SPECIFIC NATIONALISM + SOVEREIGNTY, IN FAVOR OF "GLOBAL/UNIVERSAL", ANTI-NATIONALIST DIVERSITY + PLURALISM, ETC.

As per OWG "GLOBAL COMMIE-SOCIALIST ORDER" > iff the USA gives up its NATIONALISM + SOVEREIGNTY + IDENTITY, ETC. SO ALSO MUST RISING CHINA + EVERY OHTER ESTABLISHED WORLD POWER OR 'GREAT STATE" WANNABE[ at least at the National Govt. level + Higher].

IOW, "GLOBALISM" > is denying what the CHIN GOVT-PLA see as CHIN's "GREAT POWER" CURR + FUTURIST RIGHT TO TEMPOR OR PERMANENTLY INTIMIDATE, BULLY, INVADE + OCCUPY + WITHDRAW, TRADE OR BOMB, OTHER WORLD SOVEREIGN STATES AT BEIJING'S WILL [force projection = theater denial].

GLOBALISM > CHINA = USA, etal > ARE A OWG GLOBAL-SPACE SUPERPOWER, LIKE THE US, etal.; OR IT ISN'T, ALSO LIKE THE US, etal.

CHINA = UNCLEAR OR NO "MANIFEST DESTINY", + NO WOMEN FOR ITS GENERATIONS OF AGGRESSIVE YOUNG MALES GROWING UP WID NO BRIDES/WOMEN TO MARRY [one-child policy].

'Tis gener a GOOD THING that MANY CHINESE FAMILIES + OLDER ADULTS are repor WILLING TO DISOBEY THE GOVT + HIDE THEIR NEWBORN BABY GIRLS, BOTH MORALLY + POLITICALLY.

YIN-YANG = BALANCE OF HEAVEN.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2010-06-16 21:07|| 2010-06-16 21:07|| Front Page Top

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