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2010-09-17 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2010-09-17 03:12|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 I could be wrong, but there appears to be a long-term penalty beyond man's simple understanding of justice and the courts for pushing millions of innocent people into ovens.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-09-17 05:42|| 2010-09-17 05:42|| Front Page Top

#2 Europe is a criminal organization, always has been.
The moslems will overtake it very very soon.
They will be euro Peons.

Posted by newc 2010-09-17 06:23|| 2010-09-17 06:23|| Front Page Top

#3 "What an indignity for Europeans to see flourishing Jewish communities instead of piled corpses, bones of those buried in mass execution pits renewed in Israeli children."

Oh please. With "indignity" the citizen of Munich celebrated the opening of a most beautiful avantgarde synagogie in the center of the city. Another spectacular one just opened in Mainz.

Berlin is awash with tourists from Israel.

If that's haunting, then go haunt us some more. The Jewish communities are growing in Germany, and except for a few idiots nobody is complaining.

Posted by European Conservative 2010-09-17 06:44|| 2010-09-17 06:44|| Front Page Top

#4 as sometimes happens, the situation is complex

In Berlin, Israelis and E European Jews are coming and building artist communities. Many of the synagogues are crowded and their is a vibrancy about it.

In Copenhagen, much of the Jewish community has gotten too old to be outside much. Many others have become secular and/or agnostic and non practicing and the synagogues are empty.

In neighborhoods in France and England and whole cities in Sweden, the Jews are leaving because of outright violence and intimidation from Muslims and either hostility or non interference by authorities.

Posted by lord garth 2010-09-17 07:14|| 2010-09-17 07:14|| Front Page Top

#5 The Jewish communities are growing in Germany, and except for a few idiots nobody is complaining.

Are you Jewish, European Conservative? I ask because it would help to understand if your knowledge comes from personal experience.

I visited Germany with my mother for several weeks last month. We went specifically at the invitation of the publisher of her mother's war memoir. (See Band 13) One of the activities our hosts provided, both in my mother's hometown of Hildesheim and my grandmother's home region of the Wesermarsch (Germans work hard to be wonderful hosts!) was meetings with the heads of the local Jewish communities. Both the head of the Jewish community in Hildesheim (now numbering 28, mostly Russian Jews, up from a single individual before the Russian invasion) and the "head" of the Jewish community in Berne (a lovely lady of about 50 years, she is the only Jew in that small village) told us that their communities would soon be gone. Those Jews of Hildesheim that wanted a more actively Jewish life than the biweekly service-and-dinner moved to Hannover, 50 km away. The Jew in Berne went up to Bremen once or twice a month for services. Neither had children. So it's conceivable that Jewish life in the large cities is becoming more vibrant exactly at the same time that Jews are removing themselves from the rest of the country.

As for tourists from Israel, I believe you. As Israel has become more prosperous, its citizens can afford to visit the places they've heard and read so much about. I heard Hebrew spoken as much as English and German in Baden-Baden, when we stopped there for lunch in 1994 or so.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-09-17 10:49|| 2010-09-17 10:49|| Front Page Top

#6 Follow-up to the previous: I googled "number of Jews in Germany", and got some interesting results.

It's a matter of perspective. The Jewish community in Germany was small and shrinking until the Soviet Jews flooded in, starting in the late 1980s. Almost 200,000 came, joining a local community of something like 10,000, mostly more or less elderly local German Jews. Even though about half of the Russians disappeared into the general population, keeping no affiliation with the Jewish community once they were settled in, that still radically increased the Jewish community compared to what it had been. So European Conservative is right from that perspective.

The other perspective is from world Jewry, which sees this only as a population shift, not a true increase. And the question is, what is happening with the next generation? At what rate are children being born, at what rate are they assimilating versus remaining actively Jewish?

Posted by trailing wife 2010-09-17 11:29|| 2010-09-17 11:29|| Front Page Top

#7 TW - your views and EC's may not conflict, even aside from the Russian immigration.

Certainly, there's more Israeli tourism, and equally plausible is the VOLUNTARY internal population shifts, away from widespread, if thin, presence, into larger urban/suburban communities. All that is not particular to any religious group - it's normal development.

I think the key issue is that "Europe's Jewish problem" is not enough Jews, which fits with their general problem of "not enough Europeans".

And I won't even consider Islamic immigration, heck, it could be filipinos for purposes of discussion, the continental birth rate is simply too low, and has been for some time.

Europe's real Jewish problem is to keep its Jewish problem solely a matter of history. Their present record on that is mixed.

Posted by Halliburton - Mysterious Conspiracy Division 2010-09-17 11:46|| 2010-09-17 11:46|| Front Page Top

#8 Judging solely by the body count, I would say the Jews have a European problem rather than the other way around.

Posted by SteveS 2010-09-17 16:42|| 2010-09-17 16:42|| Front Page Top

#9 See Band 13

Band 14 (PDF) is the same book described in English.

Posted by Angie Schultz 2010-09-17 19:27|| 2010-09-17 19:27|| Front Page Top

#10 ANY academic or scientific society that censored/boycotts Jews should be no-fly-listed to the US as a discriminatory apartheid group, a la South Africa in the lib heyday. Create the lists and lets see who suffers

Posted by Frank G 2010-09-17 21:23|| 2010-09-17 21:23|| Front Page Top

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