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2012-01-28 Home Front: Culture Wars

Bishops Calls On Catholics To Defy 'Obama's Law'

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Posted by Anonymoose 2012-01-28 07:49|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 Kathleen Sebelius (and BO), secretary of Health and Human Services' dictate that health-insurance plans, including those offered by Catholic groups, must provide birth control

Dictate! Who the hell do these people think they are?

Approximately 25% of the people in this country are Catholic. Somewhere around 130 million people voted in 2010 (although the potential voting population is larger). If 25% of 130 million people who vote are Catholic that is ~ 30 million plus - a sizable block of voters who could swing a Presidential election.

Posted by JohnQC 2012-01-28 10:06|| 2012-01-28 10:06|| Front Page Top

#2 Bishops & priests need to be careful lest they jeopardize their outfit's tax-exempt status.
Obama's law may result in many others (not religious) to drop employer-subsidized health coverage for employees. Penalties (so far) for doing so are much cheaper than the cost of compliance.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2012-01-28 10:09|| 2012-01-28 10:09|| Front Page Top

#3 Obama's law may result in many others (not religious) to drop employer-subsidized health coverage for employees. Penalties (so far) for doing so are much cheaper than the cost of compliance.

That's a feature not a bug.

Posted by Beavis 2012-01-28 10:15|| 2012-01-28 10:15|| Front Page Top

#4 #3 Yup. However, government-imposed penalties are always subject to change.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2012-01-28 11:10|| 2012-01-28 11:10|| Front Page Top

#5 I am not a lawyer, but it may be problematic to take away the tax exempt status of the Catholic (or any other) Church. There was a Supreme Court case long ago that said that states could not tax the federal government because the unlimited power to tax is the power to destroy. Now, destroying the Catholic Church may be considered to be a feature not a bug for Obama and his progressive henchmen. However, I truly hope that the Supreme Court would see the enormous damage that it would do to the First Amendment for the government to destroy a religion.

Of course, the majority of the current members of the Supreme Court are Catholic, which might help. :)

Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2012-01-28 12:03|| 2012-01-28 12:03|| Front Page Top

#6 How about that. Took only three years for Obama to get enough balls to begin acting like what he aspires to be, a third world dictactor of the United States of America.

Posted by One Eyed Hitler4342 2012-01-28 12:20|| 2012-01-28 12:20|| Front Page Top

#7 Maybe the Catholic Church should simply incorporate and enjoy all the rights of a living person.

Posted by bigjim-CA 2012-01-28 12:25|| 2012-01-28 12:25|| Front Page Top

#8 So Zero wants to start a war with the Catholic Church? Does he not realize that the Catholics are a significant part of the police, fire, and EMT services of all major Eastern cities, and can effectively shut those cities down? Or that the one of the most successful terrorist organization on the planet is the IRA, which could easily start operations protecting Catholics from government oppression in this country?

Posted by Shieldwolf 2012-01-28 14:36|| 2012-01-28 14:36|| Front Page Top

#9 Or that the Catholic population is overrepresented in the combat arms of the US military, and the US Special Forces? Starting a religious war with 25% of the country is a grand way to initiate a full-scale civil war throughout the country. And besides which, you give the ones fighting for the Church martyr status since they are being killed or arrested for their faith. Ask the Roman Empire how well that worked out for them.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2012-01-28 14:41|| 2012-01-28 14:41|| Front Page Top

#10 God's laws and statutes trumps man's laws and statutes. Period. After 300 years of freedom, the persecution of the faiths has now begun in the USA.

Posted by Snease Hupuper4845 2012-01-28 15:05|| 2012-01-28 15:05|| Front Page Top

#11 I'd like to see all organisation either tax exempt or pay tax.

No special exemptions.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2012-01-28 15:24|| 2012-01-28 15:24|| Front Page Top

#12 Yes Catholics are over-represented in SOCOM, and at a those agencies that require high security clearances - Catholics and Mormons, for some reason.

Pebbles: this has nothing to do with tax exemptions. This is forcing Catholic Church to do something that is absolutely morally abhorrent, and completely against its fundamental creed, dogma and belief. It violates the conscience. It is government interference with our First Amendment right to practice our religion freely. Sebelius and Obama's act is an assault on the moral conscience of ever good practicing Catholic, and if obeyed would condemn us with a mortal sin against God's commandments, the sanctity of life, an natural law.

If they really want to wake the Church Militant, that's a very good way of doing it. They;d best be careful, because once we start, its very hard to stop.

This is a fight Obama and his henchmen will not win - eventually we will destroy them. In the immediate, it has painted them as the evil dictatorial monsters that they are.

One thing Obama and Sebelius and the other should thank God for: the 5th commandment. Yes they have many of us that angry. They better be glad we are forbidden to taking up arms in that way - otherwise their lives would end in the sights of a high powered rifle or kicking at the end of a rope.

Posted by OldSpook 2012-01-28 15:44|| 2012-01-28 15:44|| Front Page Top

#13 After 300 years of freedom, the persecution of the faiths has now begun in the USA.

I'd make it closer to 100. Check out the various Blaine laws.

These folks are playing a dangerous game and one they aren't well positioned for. I'll start to take them seriou8sly when they excommunicate and stop serving the sacraments for the Catholic legislators who voted for the bill. Until then, this is just politicking from the pulpit and that doesn't end well either.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2012-01-28 15:56|| 2012-01-28 15:56|| Front Page Top

#14 Surprisingly, Kathleen Sebelius is, according to Wikipedia, herself a Catholic. As are Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, the former Ted Kennedy, and a variety of other Democrats. Nancy Pelosi claims that the Church's stand on life issues (abortion, contraception, etc.) is fairly new. SHE IS WRONG!!!

Personally, if I were one of their bishops, I would have excommunicated them a long time ago.

Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2012-01-28 16:18|| 2012-01-28 16:18|| Front Page Top

#15 Old Spook, while birth control may be forbidden by the Church it is very widely used by a great many otherwise-practicing Catholics. Sadly, that is even true of abortion. Neither the Church nor the Government will win that confrontation in THIS world.

Posted by Glenmore 2012-01-28 16:26|| 2012-01-28 16:26|| Front Page Top

#16 #11 Bright Pebbles. Render unto Ceasor that which is Ceasors, render that which is God's to God. Ceaser is not allowed to divert that that is given to God too himself.

Posted by Chenter Barnsmell9450 2012-01-28 16:45|| 2012-01-28 16:45|| Front Page Top

#17 Just another non-thought out horrible and needless policy excreted from the know nothing in chief.

Posted by newc 2012-01-28 16:58|| 2012-01-28 16:58|| Front Page Top

#18 I'm not Catholic, and this pisses ME off. Everything person X gets for free has to be paid for by person Y. It's the principle, either way. Birth control pills are cheap. If you've got enough of a life to need them, you've got enough of a life to pay for them.

OTOH: if BHO thinks alienating every possible segment of the population is a winning strategy, well, as Napoleon (?) said: never interrupt the enemy when they're making a mistake.

Posted by RandomJD 2012-01-28 17:25|| 2012-01-28 17:25|| Front Page Top

#19 Glenmore, aside from the birth control it also requires paying for abortifacients - the "morning after" pill, and I think it also forces coverage of sterilizations, which are forbidden. And it really doesn't matter what those cafeteria Catholics think, because it is still 100% the government forcing actions that are against the conscience and teachings of the Church. And down that path lies dictatorship - if you can force unfaithful acts on faithful people, you re no better than Stalin, Mao or Hitler. They all did their evil "in the name of the people and nation", just like Obama.

Posted by OldSpook 2012-01-28 17:57|| 2012-01-28 17:57|| Front Page Top

#20 One thing Obama and Sebelius and the other should thank God for: the 5th commandment. Yes they have many of us that angry.

Rot! The 5th Commandment presents no restraint. I believe it was once written as "Thou shalt not murder!". And was rewritten in its current form as a part of the taming of the Church.

There is no prohibition against killing in Gods name in defense of the Church. There are millions dead over the centuries to prove that.

And Militant Christianity is already awake and stirring. I mentioned that very thing here many months ago. If they (Obama & crew) haven't gone too far yet, rest assured they will. The stage is set, the actors are in place and there will be a second Civil War. And the Left will be expunged.

I see no way back from where this Nation is today without that conflagration.

Posted by Secret Asian Man 2012-01-28 19:04|| 2012-01-28 19:04|| Front Page Top

#21 Pebbles: this has nothing to do with tax exemptions.

It's an F8-key response. Nothing to do with the article.

Posted by Pappy 2012-01-28 20:18|| 2012-01-28 20:18|| Front Page Top

#22 Bishop Olmsted's letter (.pdf file)

http://www.diocesephoenix.org/uploads/docs/RELIGOUS-LIBERTY-INSURANCE-LETTER-012512.pdf

Posted by Anonymoose 2012-01-28 20:21|| 2012-01-28 20:21|| Front Page Top

#23 He just lost the Hispanic vote. Predominately Catholic and the Bishops will rally even them against the Obama "mandates" (aka Dictates).

In the New Testament St Paul stood before the magistrate and was warned to denounce his beliefs or be flogged. He responded politely that he could not go against the will of God. He was flogged and released and was greatfull to count the scares as badges of honor.

North Korean Christians were persecuted in Labor Camps and sang while be beaten by irritated guards who became even more enraged by their convictions, and were then sent to the "electric room" where no one ever returned alive.

An American student was recently asked in class about what he thought about homosexuality and he politely responded that his faith did not accept homosexuality and was suspended from the public school for his beliefs. And of course we know of the fate of recent Miss America finalists who hold Christian beliefs.

The Democratic Party embraced immorality years ago, the spiral has been downward ever since. The questions is, will America succumb to this low level of morality or will America overcome this now dictatorship?

We will soon know the answer one way or the other.

Posted by Ebbaique Spereting5364 2012-01-28 21:03|| 2012-01-28 21:03|| Front Page Top

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