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2014-04-01 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Israel Training Logistics Cadets to Avoid 2006 War Mistakes, be Ready for Future Conflict

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Posted by trailing wife 2014-04-01 00:00|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 What was the logistics failure?

Posted by Shipman 2014-04-01 05:08|| 2014-04-01 05:08|| Front Page Top

#2 We've had our own problems. Little things, like land navigation, proper weapons cleaning, rehearsal of road convoys movement and actions, basic infantry tactics*, etc.

*The Bulge, Tet, et al shows that clerks, mechanics, and cooks had better be prepared to be an infantryman or be dead.

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-04-01 08:49|| 2014-04-01 08:49|| Front Page Top

#3 What was the logistics failure?

Um, complacency?

I'd go with a logistics system geared toward "police action" rather than combat operations.

The Bulge, Tet, et al shows that clerks, mechanics, and cooks had better be prepared to be an infantryman or be dead.

"Every Marine an infantryman."

Posted by Pappy 2014-04-01 09:50|| 2014-04-01 09:50|| Front Page Top

#4 yes, the rate of consumption is much higher than that found in police action. A log system geared to pull (requisition - do you have the piece of paper?) of a police action rather than push (keep shoving the stuff forward till they scream) of offensive operations can leave a unit wanting in dire circumstances.

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-04-01 10:11|| 2014-04-01 10:11|| Front Page Top

#5 What was the logistics failure?

Allowing Condoleeza Rice into the country?

Posted by gorb 2014-04-01 10:17|| 2014-04-01 10:17|| Front Page Top

#6 Allowing Condoleeza Rice into the country?

Maybe. It's always easier to blame someone else, tho.

That and the "they're only Arabs" mindset. Might be true 80% of the time. The 20% is what will kill you.

Posted by Pappy 2014-04-01 12:56|| 2014-04-01 12:56|| Front Page Top

#7 Logistics from a peace time or police action time to war times has always been a rough transition.

I have read several pre-war estimates of material and ammo expenditures that put the planned rate as 6 times the peacetime rate. However once in combat they found the expenditure rate was at least 10 times the peace time use rate and sometimes much higher if there is heavy fighting for prolonged periods.

Yet somehow the planners and bean counters always forget to take it into account.

Posted by DarthVader 2014-04-01 13:13|| 2014-04-01 13:13|| Front Page Top

#8 They'll train to avoid the 2006 mistakes, and probably mostly succeed in doing so. Instead they'll invent brand-new mistakes to make, or re-discover long-forgotten ones. Can they - privates to generals - adapt to changes? If not, they're in trouble, because things never go as planned.

Posted by Glenmore 2014-04-01 14:29|| 2014-04-01 14:29|| Front Page Top

#9 Well, from the comments I can assume it wasn't a lack of winter uniforms, band-aids or foods.

An artillery shortage? Petrol?

Posted by Shipman 2014-04-01 18:18|| 2014-04-01 18:18|| Front Page Top

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