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2015-09-12 Olde Tyme Religion

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Posted by Blossom Unains5562 2015-09-12 00:00|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top

#1 As a friend once remarked.
"When Americans elected Obama, they demonstrated that that they don't want to live. His reelection demonstrates that they don't deserve to."
Well, maybe my friend just dislikes America & Americans.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-09-12 07:12|| 2015-09-12 07:12|| Front Page Top

#2 As old as this country is we have always had traitors, malcontents and saboteurs. Now we have them in positions of political and media control. They work to add sand into the mechanisms that make this country work. They do their damage and walk away with a smirk on their face. They work to confound and confuse. Will they ever be happy. Will they ever be satisfied? NEVER.

Posted by Dale 2015-09-12 09:15|| 2015-09-12 09:15|| Front Page Top

#3 As old as this country is

Sorry?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-09-12 09:25|| 2015-09-12 09:25|| Front Page Top

#4 When enemies of the system are allowed to teach the young from early years through collage they will shape minds to hate the state and vote for those that hate the state. Well it just doesn't seem like a recipe for long term success as we are seeing now.

The only real hope is that Millennials suddenly pay attention and vote accordingly while aging Hippie Baby Boomers simultaneously stop voting due to age and legalized pot distracting them.

Posted by rjschwarz 2015-09-12 10:15|| 2015-09-12 10:15|| Front Page Top

#5 Democracy.
Generous social-welfare state.
Open borders.

Pick two. You can't have all three...

Posted by Steve White 2015-09-12 12:37|| 2015-09-12 12:37|| Front Page Top

#6 I can and will protect a republic.
I cannot protect a democracy
I will not protect mob rule. I will curse it.

Posted by newc 2015-09-12 13:09|| 2015-09-12 13:09|| Front Page Top

#7 It's an old Republic grom.

Posted by Shipman 2015-09-12 13:16|| 2015-09-12 13:16|| Front Page Top

#8 The French are on their fifth?

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-09-12 13:37|| 2015-09-12 13:37|| Front Page Top

#9 I have a hard time coming up with a continuous form of government older than the USA. Perhaps the UK, if not counting the release of the Commonwealth States?

Posted by swksvolFF 2015-09-12 13:38|| 2015-09-12 13:38|| Front Page Top

#10 I have a hard time coming up with a continuous form of government older than the USA.

Don't you mean a republic (an even that wouldn't be true---see Rome)? Because, most countries been monarchies for hundreds of years. China was for 2000.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-09-12 14:16|| 2015-09-12 14:16|| Front Page Top

#11 Ah true; I was looking around today. But yes as a question throughout history I would county dynasties and monarchies as continuous governments.

As for the USA, the Republic survived its civil war, but as a friend and I were discussing the dissolving of the Congress and Supreme Court around 2010, we shall see if we survive our Julius Caesar moment.

Posted by swksvolFF 2015-09-12 15:24|| 2015-09-12 15:24|| Front Page Top

#12 I've had this argument with P2K. IMO, Obama = Sula.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-09-12 15:42|| 2015-09-12 15:42|| Front Page Top

#13 Because, most countries been monarchies for hundreds of years. China was for 2000.

Cause humans are hierarchical, tribal, and territorial. Democratic/republican forms of government are not natural. That's why they don't last long as power has a tendency to create its own gravity helped by the ambitions of individuals and groups who seek that hierarchical position exploiting the injustices of the imperfect humans who maintain them, only to create even greater injustices when they achieve their goal. I believe the Swiss design their system pretty well to keep the center from achieving critical mass.

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-09-12 15:44|| 2015-09-12 15:44|| Front Page Top

#14 Lets agree that we still know zilch about psychology---both individual & group.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-09-12 15:59|| 2015-09-12 15:59|| Front Page Top

#15 Surprisingly some of the longest lasting governments were in the Near East. The Mamelukes ruled Egypt for about a thousand years, though during about half that time they were nominally under the Turks. The Turkish Empire lasted more than four hundred years, after it captured Constantinople.
OF course the rulers often took over by force either from their predecessors or upon their deaths.
The secret of this longevity in Turkey was the millet system. Each recognizable group was self governing. The Janissaries, who enforced Turkish rule only became involved when there were inter-group disputes. Since the Janissaries, who were foreigners, were notoriously brutal, inter-group disputes were rare.
In Egypt, the Mamelukes were foreign slaves, purchased from their parents usually in the Caucuses castrated and educated to be warriors and rulers. Being foreign they were non-partisan among local tribes and factions, and having no families their greed was quite limited. They were also brutal so the locals usually behaved themselves to stay out of their clutches.
Thus it took Napoleon's legions to end Mameluke rule. Saladin was a Mameluke six hundred years before.
Under either regime any group could adopt Sharia Law for itself, if it chose to do so, but this affected no other group.
Somehow these arrangements lasted for centuries.

Posted by Grins Snese4215 2015-09-12 16:50|| 2015-09-12 16:50|| Front Page Top

#16 the Mamelukes were foreign slaves, purchased from their parents usually in the Caucuses castrated and educated to be warriors and rulers.

Ha?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-09-12 17:09|| 2015-09-12 17:09|| Front Page Top

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