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2020-05-06 Europe
No, Sweden isn't a miracle coronavirus model
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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-05-06 02:58|| || Front Page|| [6 views ]  Top

#1 It is, however (IMO), a miracle of liberal fascism model
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-05-06 04:16||   2020-05-06 04:16|| Front Page Top

#2 Stockholm Syndrome:
A condition in which hostages develop a psychological alliance with their captors during captivity.

Lockdown Stockholm Syndrome:
A psychological state of mind that causes its sufferers to come to love seeing their economies and liberties being destroyed, whilst simultaneously being incapable of accepting that Sweden kept its society going without resorting to such measures.

I continue to be baffled by those who cannot bring themselves to admit that Sweden has carried out a relatively sensible policy on Covid-19, whilst the response of so many other countries has been authoritarian and frankly unhinged. The idea of quarantining millions of perfectly healthy people and stopping them from doing normal, healthy things is something that has apparently never occurred to any national leaders in the past, or at least if it did, they presumably never enacted it for fear of revolt.

No such fear today. It is simply staggering to see how so many people have not only come to accept the inevitable destruction of the economy and curtailment of civil liberties as a price worth paying to deal with an illness which is killing numbers on roughly the same levels as a bad flu season, but have actually become cheerleaders for the giant social experiment being done to them. It reminds me of the chilling and dispiriting line at the end of 1984: “He loved Big Brother.” Today, for reasons that are not at all clear to me, many appear to “Love Lockdown” — that is, they appear to be absolutely fine with having their liberties taken away from them; absolutely fine with having the right to do lawful work taken from them; and absolutely fine with having the right to do normal, healthy things taken away from them. If anyone has an explanation, do be sure to let me know.

But it gets worse. Not only do they seem to be perfectly willing to go along with these things, but they are appear to be utterly oblivious and even apathetic to the economic train wreck headed their way because of the policy they support. Why? What will shake them out of that apathy and complacency? Will it be when they hear about the Great Depression-era unemployment levels coming on us? No! Even that doesn’t do it. The chart below is one of the most genuinely frightening I’ve ever seen, showing as it does US unemployment rising by over 30,000,000 in just seven weeks to levels not seen since the 1930s. And yet when I show it, many just airily dismiss it with a shrug of the shoulders as if it’s irrelevant. Perhaps it will only be if they lose their own jobs and can’t pay the rent or can’t get stuff in the shops like they used to that it’ll hit home! Who knows?
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2020-05-06 05:59||   2020-05-06 05:59|| Front Page Top

#3 Love the whispered aside:
(although deaths aren't always counted in the same way)

Right. When you're discussing tallies, how things are counted is just a minor parenthetical.

Here's a clue: Sweden is deliberately including every possible COVID-related death, be it in or out of hospital. Norway doesn't include deaths in nursing homes.

If you do an apples-to-apples comparison using the same methodology for attributions cause of death, and if you adjust for Sweden's significantly higher Muslim immigrant population, Sweden's fatality rate us only slightly higher than those of Norway and Denmark.
Posted by Lex 2020-05-06 08:40||   2020-05-06 08:40|| Front Page Top

#4 Lex's comment mirrors a guy from Helsinki’s observations, re Nordlanders:
The numbers mean nothing since Sweden stopped doing tests long ago. It’s strange how a lot of people here have realized that Sweden just makes up crime statistics but haven’t realized that Sweden does the same at pretty much everything. No data, no problem is also the attitude of the rest of Scandinavia and Germany so their numbers can’t be trusted either.

Even deaths can be covered up because a lot of people who die are going to be elderly who haven’t been tested and they’re not planning to test most of the dead. Curiously the people who are dying after being tested positive are disproportionately migrants

I suspect that it turns out that Sweden is in fact doing it right that shielding the elderly instead of shutting down the economy is better in the end but it doesn’t mean that the disease is sparing Sweden or that the low numbers mean anything, to the contrary, they’ve decided to let it spread and to keep their estimates of the real number secret. We’ll maybe know them after the epidemic once they start publishing studies – but only if it does turn out to be the right bet.

If corona turns out to be deadlier then it will be the thing that pops the entire “Scandinavian model” bubble. People abroad have been making the mistake of trusting Scandinavian governments and their invented statistics because Scandinavian people are honest in person.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2020-05-06 12:02||   2020-05-06 12:02|| Front Page Top

#5 I'd agree with the headline, but isn't it what they call a "strawman"?

It is a different approach which can be studied for future application.
Posted by Bobby 2020-05-06 12:39||   2020-05-06 12:39|| Front Page Top

#6 ^(a) It is marketed as a miracle.
(b) You won't be studying it for future application cause, sooner or later, they gonna switch to a lockdown that makes California look like Texas.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-05-06 12:48||   2020-05-06 12:48|| Front Page Top

#7 Seems to me Sweden drank the beer in one gulp while the rest of us sipped. The results should be the same assuming hospitals aren't overwhelmed.
Posted by rjschwarz 2020-05-06 13:01||   2020-05-06 13:01|| Front Page Top

#8 "Now, Sweden’s death projection via the IHME model has been downgraded significantly while many other locked down countries had theirs raised, including the United States nearly doubling. Sweden’s projection stands at 10,196 deaths." Today and similar information yesterday. Models wrong as usual. Global warming, Climate change all wrong. Polar Ice caps were to be gone now and oceans 300-400 feet deeper. Al Gore seems to be working with similar modeling. Garbage in garbage out.
Posted by Dale 2020-05-06 14:39||   2020-05-06 14:39|| Front Page Top

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