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2023-06-27 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Military veterans cut off from US bases in one country, stripping them of lifeline to home
Don't marry a local girl.
Or possibly don’t retire abroad.
[FoxNews] More overseas bases could begin banning retirees

Military retirees living in Turkey were told they will lose access to U.S. bases in the country this fall – cutting them off from vital services and access to American products.


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Air Force Col. Calvin B. Powell, commander of the 39th Air Base Wing at Incirlik Air Base, issued a memo last week warning the small population of retirees of the impending move, which is set to take place on Oct. 1, according to the Military Times.

The restriction of access to base facilities is expected to affect about 121 U.S. military retirees living in Turkey, barring them commissaries stocked with American groceries and from Army and Air Force Exchange Service locations -- department stores where members and retirees can get familiar American products.

The retirees will also lose access to the American post office boxes located at on-base post offices, which one retiree said are used for everything from receiving vital medications to casting their ballots in U.S. elections.

"They use the P.O. box to get vital diabetes medicine and things like cast their vote in America," the retiree, who asked to be identified by his first name Michael, told Fox News Digital. "If they lose access to the base, they lose access to their medicine they get from America."

Michael, who was medically retired from the military as a result of injuries he sustained while serving in Iraq in 2008, said the Turkish post offices are not dependable enough for vital shipments like medication, estimating that one or two of every three packages sent through the system will not arrive at the intended destination.

The unreliability of the Turkish postal system could also have an impact on their ability to vote, Michael said, noting that the more dependable military post offices give retirees the peace of mind that their votes reach their destination and are counted.

"Every election, we go [to the military post office] to cast our vote because we know our vote will get there," he said. "If we have to use the Turkish system… it's like rolling your dice. You just don't know if your vote is ever going to get there."

One of the perks of retiring from the military has long been the lifetime access to military installations and services, a benefit viewed as even more vital to those who have retired far from home. Yet Michael said retirees in Turkey were given very little justification for the sudden decision to revoke their access.

"There are many retirees who believe that this is a way of forcing them to go back to the United States, because if they don't have base access here to be able to get the medicine they need, that pretty much closes the door for them," he said.

As part of the memo Powell sent out about the new restrictions, the Air Force commander argued the decision was made necessary by the rules governing the status of U.S. forces in Turkey.

"The United States’ bilateral agreements with Turkey do not permit U.S. Forces to extend [Status of Forces Agreement] privileges or access to installations, facilities and activities to retirees," Powell said in the memo.

Powell did not immediately respond to a Fox News request for comment.

Meanwhile, other bases around the world have been considering the same restrictions. According to the Military Times, officials at Aviano Air Base, Italy have been looking into similar changes to base access for retirees.

"At this time we cannot confirm if/when this change may take place" at Aviano, Air Force Capt. Mark Goss, a spokesman for U.S. Air Forces in Europe and Air Forces Africa, told the outlet. "If there is a change in installation access policies, wing leadership will communicate this to those affected."

Restrictions on access to bases in the Philippines have also been considered, according to the report, but were at least temporarily put on hold while officials reviewed the policies.

However, Michael argued that retirees have for years enjoyed access to these installations without issue, leading to speculation that the true reasoning behind the move is more likely an attempt at a "cost-saving measure." Michael made clear that most retirees understand that restrictions could be enforced for security reasons, but he does not believe that has been an issue in Turkey.

"If ISIS all of the sudden appeared in Turkey or something and we have to get off the bases, we understand, we play ball," he said.

Michael also expressed doubt that restricting retirees from base could save money, instead arguing that allowing their access is "extraordinarily profitable" for bases.

"The retirees use the retiree paychecks on base, so there's also a huge monetary hit," he said.

The combat veteran also pointed out that many of the exchanges on base feature kiosks that are owned by local vendors, who heavily depend on the retiree population for the business that sustains their income.

"There's a lot of third party vendors who rent out a stall and they sell here in Turkey," he said. "They tell me that 90% of their business is from retirees. So they're not able to keep living and keep their livelihood."

The Pentagon did not immediately respond to a Fox News request for comment on the restrictions.
Posted by Skidmark 2023-06-27 00:00|| || Front Page|| [26 views ]  Top

#1 When I visited my son when he was stationed in England, I could not buy things at the exchange or commissary, due to the status of forces agreement.
Posted by Rambler in Virginia  2023-06-27 00:08||   2023-06-27 00:08|| Front Page Top

#2 Landstuhl US Army Hospital, in Landstuhl, Germany, near Ramstein Air Base would NOT treat US military retirees or their dependents in 2006-2012. I doubt the policy has changed. Always gave me a twinge of patriotism to read about Non-US personnel from the Stans, DoS, or OGA being flown to Landstuhl for treatment. US Military retiree contractors were provided emergency medical and dental care in Iraq and the Stans.

Retirees were also prohibited from shopping at the PX/BX at Ramstein, Kaiserslautern, and elsewhere. ID's were examined at checkout by yes, German national employees with typical German efficiency. If you presented a US Gov't Common Access Card (CAC) Card, the contact expiration date was checked with the same rigid efficiency.

Foto is of the Berlin Airlift 1947-1948 to. A total of nearly 300,000 flights were made to Tempelhof and elsewhere.

The 'feel good' never stops.

Posted by Besoeker 2023-06-27 03:13||   2023-06-27 03:13|| Front Page Top

#3 Weren't retirees promised healthcare for life?

Re: Exchange - It's all about the host nation, SOFA, and....taxes. All kinds of stories of US contractor dad married to foreign wife and sending kids to local schools. Ordinarily resident I think was a buzz phrase that usually got them in tax hot water. Then there's our lovely US government which taxes anything that walks.

I can understand Landstuhl being quite the busy place during the AFG mess, but to deny treatment to US military retirees was/is an absolute disgrace.

I thought there was an [honor] system in place where if retirees bought something at the PX that they filed some form to pay any VAT on any purchases.

Well, the days of the Cold War are but a distant memory. I wish we wouldn't even be having this issue had the US and NATO downsized after the demise of the Warsaw Pact.
Posted by DooDahMan 2023-06-27 07:15||   2023-06-27 07:15|| Front Page Top

#4 Time to GTFO all those places.
Posted by M. Murcek 2023-06-27 07:46||   2023-06-27 07:46|| Front Page Top

#5 The key words here are "Status of Forces Agreement" which is literally a treaty. Retirees are in the same situation as any other citizen living in a foreign country with or without any allied military presence.

Weren't retirees promised healthcare for life?

Since the 1980s, enlistment and reenlistment documents specify that only the things listed in the contract are guaranteed.
Posted by Procopius2k 2023-06-27 07:56||   2023-06-27 07:56|| Front Page Top

#6 I don't have a problem with retirees making a conscious decision to reside in a foreign country and being subject to that nation's laws, including the SOFA. Excuses about lack of a "Box R" through the APO don't arouse much sympathy and claims of being unable to receive medication and mailing absentee ballots push the b.s. or whine meter. Bottom line is that they decided to live where they live, no matter the reason.

But if a US military installation, especially a health facility, denies a retiree basic service, then that's just a shame.
Posted by DooDahMan 2023-06-27 08:35||   2023-06-27 08:35|| Front Page Top

#7 P.S. - Thanks, P2k on the contract info. We've come a long way with the volunteer army. But a deal's a deal (unless you have a student loan or a bank needs to be bailed out, but I digress).
Posted by DooDahMan 2023-06-27 08:37||   2023-06-27 08:37|| Front Page Top

#8 Ref #4: Time to GTFO all those places.

"Those places" and more. Time to mind our own business and let the rest of them fight it out as Darwin wills.
Posted by Besoeker 2023-06-27 09:09||   2023-06-27 09:09|| Front Page Top

#9 DooDahMan man nails it at #6. Better do your research prior to the RELO. Crime and health care can be major issues.

BTW, Ed makes a valid point at #11.


Posted by Besoeker 2023-06-27 09:16||   2023-06-27 09:16|| Front Page Top

#10 I wonder how many retirees are living in Mexico? Generally speaking their pharmaceuticals (produced by quality companies in Mexico) are much cheaper than stateside. Booze certainly is cheaper. What more do you need?
Posted by Tarzan Grolump8219 2023-06-27 09:31||   2023-06-27 09:31|| Front Page Top

#11 The background issue here is 4th dimensional thinking.
Not just "this seems like a nice place".
Try "this seems like a nice place, now".
(Works right here in the US, too.)
Posted by ed in texas 2023-06-27 09:31||   2023-06-27 09:31|| Front Page Top

#12 That's just it. There's no place to hide.
Posted by DooDahMan 2023-06-27 10:14||   2023-06-27 10:14|| Front Page Top

#13 What more do you need?

Armored car, security detail, kidnapping insurance...(Ve know you have family in ze old country)
Posted by Procopius2k 2023-06-27 11:09||   2023-06-27 11:09|| Front Page Top

#14 If we had a SOFA with Mexico, would it solve the problem of illegals getting money, phones, medical care, schools, and welfare here? Seems like the same idea?
Posted by NoMoreBS 2023-06-27 11:28||   2023-06-27 11:28|| Front Page Top

#15 Its all about the country not being able to tax the retirees.
Posted by 49 Pan 2023-06-27 17:24||   2023-06-27 17:24|| Front Page Top

#16 What a coincidence...saw this today (geared to civilians but surely some topics equally apply to retired military).

How to Prepare for Financial Challenges When Retiring Overseas
Posted by DooDahMan 2023-06-27 18:41||   2023-06-27 18:41|| Front Page Top

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