QUETTA: Border forces have arrested five Afghan soldiers for illegally entering Pakistani territory. Sources in Chaman said the Afghan soldiers who were carrying arms entered the Killi Faizo refugee camp inside Pakistan without seeking permission from the authorities. Two of the soldiers were reportedly arrested Thursday night while the remaining were arrested on Friday morning. Afghan forces on Thursday had handed over 20 bodies of suspected Taliban to Pakistani officials in the Killi Faizi Camp on the grounds that all of them were Pakistanis. But the Pakistani government returned them all as none of them could be identified as Pakistani national.
"C'mon! Take the damned things! They're starting to stink!"
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RIYADH - A select group of Saudi clerics and intellectuals concluded a landmark four-day meeting Wednesday by calling for wide-ranging reforms in the conservative kingdom. The Convention for National Dialogue, called by Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz, also urged widening of political participation, more judicial independence and fair distribution of wealth, among many other recommendations. More than 50 clerics and intellectuals, representing the kingdom's various shades of the Sunni majority, in addition to Shiites, Ismailis and some liberals and technocrats, participated in the meeting. They discussed religious extremism, diversity of opinion, rights and duties of women and their role in society, freedom of expression and contemporary fatwas, or religious edicts, and the impact of these issues on national unity. The meeting also took up issues like the importance of common interests with other countries, dealing with non-Muslims from an Islamic perspective and rules governing jihad, or holy war.
Like what kind of turban to wear when you're killing infidels?
Prince Abdullah said in a message to the meeting that safeguarding the country and citizens against "harmful ideas" was no longer possible through banning or blocking in the face of today's technological advances. "I believe you all agree with me that the most efficient means to achieve this is through ... quiet dialogue that respects the other opinion and allows for free exchange of views," Prince Abdullah said.
"And then if they don't come around, we'll cut their heads off."
The meeting, unprecedented in the 71-year history of Saudi Arabia, for the first time brought Sunnis face to face with their Shiite and Ismaili counterparts. The latter two Muslim currents have not been recognized in the kingdom, which is dominated by the strict Wahhabi Sunni school.
Letting some of the Üntermenschen in to watch, are they?
The closed-door convention will submit its recommendations over the subjects to Prince Abdullah within a few days. More such conferences are expected in the near future, the sources said. Last month, King Fahd pledged that political and social reforms will go ahead and promised to expand popular participation and open more areas for female employment. "We are a part of this world and we cannot isolate ourselves from it. We cannot stand still while the world changes. We must not remain spectators while all others are racing to form the new world," the king told the Shura (Consultative) Council only days after three suicide bombings in Riyadh.
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"We are a part of this world and we cannot isolate ourselves from it. We cannot stand still while the world changes. We must not remain spectators while all others are racing to form the new world," the king told the Shura (Consultative) Council only days after three suicide bombings in Riyadh.
So, does this mean that they're dropping "Islam" all together?
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"We are a part of this world and we cannot isolate ourselves from it. We cannot stand still while the world changes. We must not remain spectators while all others are racing to form the new world," the king told the Shura (Consultative) Council only days after three suicide bombings in Riyadh.
So, does this mean that they're dropping "Islam" all together?
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Belgian Foreign Minister Louis Michel became the latest public figure to fall foul of his country's controversial human rights law on Friday when an opposition party said it was filing a suit against him. Snicker
Michel, Belgium's outspoken foreign minister who sharply criticized the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, stands accused by a small opposition party for approving arms shipments to Nepal. Bart De Wever, a party official for the Flemish nationalist party NVA, told VRT radio the suit targeted "Louis Michel's own hypocrisy as his policy decisions run counter to human rights." Michel last year approved the sale of 5,500 machineguns to conflict-torn Nepal. The deal was criticized because Belgian law bans arms exports to countries engaged in civil war. Oops!
Michel said Belgium was a laughing stock because of the law. "This is so mad, ridiculous, irrational and malign," he told reporters at a summit of European Union leaders in Greece. "Belgium is being ridiculed on the international stage and people who are following this type of strategy...don't give a damn about the national interests of our country," he added. The man found a clue.
Yup. Stepped right in it. Look at those shoes! Eeeew!
After modifying the law to discourage so-called "propaganda" cases, Belgium has already sent lawsuits to Washington against high-ranking officials including Bush and his father, former president George Bush, Powell and Rumsfeld. A senior official at Belgium's port of Antwerp said on Friday the port authority feared losing traffic because of the law after a U.S. transport company started to boycott it. Whoever you are, thank you.
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Well, they can turn the case over to the Belgian gov't for prosecutionm, assuming it's a stable democracy with a functional judicial system.....oops!
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The rat bites itself in the ass.
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Nice that they can mention that this was an opposition party that filed the suit, but when it's an American politician, they can't.
As far as suckscock goes, I think we should get some Iraqis to file against him for delaying their liberation, which led to many deaths, and mucho mucho suffering.
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Well, they can turn the case over to the Belgian gov't for prosecutionm, assuming it's a stable democracy with a functional judicial system.....oops!
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It was only a matter of time. The shitheads have finally realized someone could actually use it against them, the noble Belgians? Hey, wait a second....
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One word: Congo. Any individual who was present in the country, worked in the colonnial administration or fought for the government should be subject to prosecution. (Remember there is no statute of limitations for "Crimes Against Humanity") This should snare enough of those sanctimonious bastards in a legal dragnet that the government will be forced to abandon the law.
Perhaps now Belgium will join the U.S. in seeking to move the headquarters of NATO out of Brussels, lest Belgian officials be harassed by Belgian courts while in Belgium on NATO business
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The United States has said Europe must do more to tackle a resurgence of anti-Semitism around the world. The plea was made by former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani, representing the US at a conference in the Austrian capital, Vienna.
"Words do not suffice to turn the tide of anti-Semitism that is once again growing in Europe and other parts of the world," he said. Y'know, marital history notwithstanding, you gotta love this guy. He publicly slapped the Saudis down when they tried to score a live broadcast anti-American P.R. jab during the WTC victims check donation ceremony. Now he's telling the Europeans that all their fancy talk and platitudes don't mean beans when antisemitism is at their doorstep again.
About 400 officials from the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) have gathered for the unprecedented two-day meeting following a rash of anti-Jewish incidents in Europe in recent years. The European Union told the conference it was taking action against anti-Jewish hatred but denied there had been a distinctive rise in anti-Semitism. "We condemn this act of anti-semitism - in the strongest possible language!"
Mr Giuliani told delegates to take concrete steps to stamp out violence against Jews, including keeping statistics on hate crimes, identifying problems early on and comparing performances between countries. In a message read to the conference, US President George W Bush urged countries to "ensure that anti-Semitism is excluded from school text books, official statements, official television programming and official publications". Hmm... now where have i heard that line before... oh yeah, Oslo! Funny how the Paleos ignored that clause....
Last month, the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Centre said attacks on Jews had reached the highest level since World War II. As well as physical attacks on Jews, many countries have reported vandalism of synagogues and Jewish cemeteries.
French representative Michel Voisin, whose country has experienced a six-fold increase in anti-Semitic incidents in the space of a year, said France viewed anti-Semitism as a "particularly odious form of racism". The Polish delegate, former Polish Foreign Minister Wladyslaw Bartoszewski, warned that anti-Semitism had "mutated" in Poland since the Holocaust, which wiped out nearly all of Poland's pre-war Jewish population. funny, it still looks like Jew-Hating to me.
Several delegates pointed to the problem of the internet being used to spread hate messages, while Dutch OSCE ambassador Daan Everts highlighted "[racist] music [and] racist slogans in football stadiums". Oh, yes. In typical euro style, we will pass the buck onto the internet and soccer matches, rather than the cultures that use them as venues.
Israeli chief representative Avraham Toledo called on conference delegates to make anti-Semitism a criminal offence. "It will not do to classify assaults on Jews, synagogues or Jewish communal institutions as mere hooliganism and vandalism," he said.
I don't like the idea of making it a separate offense. It'd be better if the local cops were willing to take it seriously and thump knobs on the heads of the perpetrators. I prefer to retain my right to dislike anyone I want, individually or in groups.
The conference opened a day after the Romanian Government retracted an earlier claim that "there was no Holocaust" on Romanian soil. "That is correct. We made sure to ship the Jews off to Poland and Germany."
My advice to the Jews in Europe...better hide your fine crystal, and gate up your windows real good. The local governments are shoring up to be about as supportive as the last time
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hod interesting comment, in view of difference on 2nd amendment as an individual or collective right. Jews have responded to anti-semitism not by arming as INDIVIDUALS,but by forming a state.
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hod, but the proper zionist (and i think, logical) answer is that if their states are nto protecting them, they should move to Israel (as indeed many French Jews are doing) not attempt to use personal weapons as a substitute for public order.
SM - i really didnt mean to get into 2nd amendment juriprudence here, i just found hods statement interesting from the Zionist point of view.
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Except where the unassimilated muslims live in hateful ghettos....helloooo Jacques!
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Another reason to support the Second Amendment. If I were a European Jew, purchase #1 would be a good scatter-gun. ("Never again" works best if you are able to defend yourself.)
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hod interesting comment, in view of difference on 2nd amendment as an individual or collective right. Jews have responded to anti-semitism not by arming as INDIVIDUALS,but by forming a state.
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Timely article. There is an influx of Jews in Europe right now, with countries such as Germany and Poland seeing applications for citizenship dramatically increase recently. This is partly due to the troubles in the Middle East but also because people want to get into the EU hoping for better job prospects. These people are actually reclaiming their citizenship, as these are same people who left Europe after WW2 to build present-day Israel. With the EU expanding, more opportunities are available, and combined with a peaceful life, the decision to leave Israel is becoming easier to make.
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Liberalhawk: No offense, I respect your intelligence immensely, but the "collective" interpretation of he 2nd Amendment is a load of garbage promoted by those with a real fear of an armed (re: independent) American populace. Read the written works of nearly ANY of our founding fathers: they are quite clear on the matter. I've always wondered: how did the left end up being so anti-gun? Noted socialist George Orwell certainly wasn't, neither was noted Marxist Trotsky.
Actually, I wouldn't be so certain about Israel being a good example of "collective" gun ownership. Just a hunch, but I bet if their gummit suddenly demanded that everyone turn in their gats, the result would be a new gummit.
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True, LH, but the European Jews are NOT being protected by the IDF (OR by the states within which they reside) and should therefore be concerned about defending themselves.
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hod, but the proper zionist (and i think, logical) answer is that if their states are nto protecting them, they should move to Israel (as indeed many French Jews are doing) not attempt to use personal weapons as a substitute for public order.
SM - i really didnt mean to get into 2nd amendment juriprudence here, i just found hods statement interesting from the Zionist point of view.
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BTW RW - most Jewish migration to Germany in recent years is from former Soviet Union - certainly security and economy in Israel will impact how many want to go to Germany (or the US) vs Israel. Dont know of many Israelis going to Germany - main country they try to go is generally US - there could be more in Europe than im aware of though.
There is data showing a substantial increase in French jews going to live in Israel - a very rare western migration. Other big increase is from Argentina, not surprisingly. There continues to be migration from FSU, though that is slowing as the pool of potential migrants shrinks, and conditions worsen in Israel, and improve slightly in Russia. And there is still a flow of Ethiopians, IIUC.
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Aside from rejecting the rancid payoff from the Saudi princeling, proffered with an emetic lecture, Giuliani booted Arafat from some Lincoln Center soiree. That, of course, was way back in 1993, when the bien pensants were still fellating the mangy terrorist. Whatever his personal shortcomings may be, he is a doughty defender of excellent principles.
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The violence erupted as about 4,000 anti-capitalist protesters staged an anti-EU march in the village of Marmaras, about five km from the summit site at the beach resort of Porto Carras, southeast of the city of Thessaloniki. Helmeted police wearing gas masks drove a breakaway group of about 300 anarachists into brush and pine woods around Marmaras. The protests were smaller than expected by organisers. Of course they are smaller, it's the EU.
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Mojo, no anarachist is guy that takes over the world during the Tribulation...
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Get some in your eyes, Aris? Burns, don't it...
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"Notice that if you protest against the EU, you are a anarchist. If you protest against the US, you are a "activist". "
Um, anarchists tend to proclaim themselves anarchists, and don't consider it an insult... Is this different in the US?
"Greek riot police fired clouds of teargas to disperse anarchists who threw stones"
Wanna bet that most people here wouldn't have considered stone-throwing an adequate excuse, if the police had shot and killed some of these anti-EU protesters? ;-)
"Um, anarchists tend to proclaim themselves anarchists, and don't consider it an insult... Is this different in the US"
In the States, self proclaimed "anarchists" are middle to upper-middle class kids who want an excuse to cut some classes, to annoy their parents or to appear "dangerous" and thus attractive to the opposite sex. They generally grow out of this when they have to start supporting themselves, instead of living off Mommy and Daddy.
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PD - or maybe their definition of capitalism is wider than yours, - IE system charecterized by private property and exchange relations, despite large scale govt regulations that charecterize the EU. Ever hear the phrase "mixed economy"? thats what EU's got, and the anarchists dont like.
QUETTA: Two unidentified gunmen riding on a motorbike shot and killed vice president of Imam Bargah Satellite Town on Friday. Syed Niaz Hussain Shah was returning from the Imam Bargah when the two motorcyclists opened fire on him. He was killed instantly. Inspector General Police Balochistan Shoaib Saddal told Daily times that the police have started investigations. Meanwhile, the Shia community protesting over the incident called it a failure of the authorities to check sectarian violence.
"We checked. We got lotsa sectarian violence!"
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Ah, those qwazy "sectarian" wascals in the RoP (Religion of Peace)!
LAHORE: Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) Deputy Secretary General Fareed Ahmad Piracha has warned the government that if it shows flexibility on important national issues, including the issues of Kashmir, Palestine and nuclear, the nation would reject them. He was addressing a congregation at a local mosque on Friday. He said [his] party would not allow the government to compromise on national issues, as the Kashmiriâs and Palestinians were struggling for a just cause.
"Nope. Nope. The world's chock full of problems and dissension, and we're not gonna let that change."
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How about working on that "the syphillis is eating our brains" issue that seems to afflict a lot of your people?
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LAHORE -- At Punjab University last month, professors of English literature were flabbergasted when they learned that a top administrator had ordered their curriculum reviewed for un-Islamic texts. Among the books deemed offensive to public morals: "Gulliver's Travels" and "Tess of the unbelievers d'Urbervilles." "It was so absurd," one of the professors recalled. "We didn't know whether to laugh or cry." or to run and hide
I usually tend more toward uncontrolled weeping when the subject is Pakland, but sometimes it's a close run thing...
Clerics have mounted a partially successful campaign to curb the spread of pedestrian-friendly "food streets" in Lahore's historic walled city. Such amenities, the clerics say, promote mixing of the sexes and prostitution. Dens of iniquity! Here in the West, food courts promote, ummm...food.
I'd hate to think what women in the Muslim world were like before the advent of Islam. They must have been jumping everything in sight. Their men sure expect them to nowadays.
"I have questioned them: Is there room for entertainment in your religion?" said Kamran Lashari, the U.S.-educated head of the Punjab Parks and Horticulture Authority, which has promoted the food-street plan. "I think they're basically joy killers. I don't see any event which has brought public joy and happiness being accepted by these elements."
That sneaking suspicion that someone, somewhere, is having a good time. And libs mock the Puritans? Cheeze. These beauzeaux make Cotton Mather look frivolous.
... a small but influential Westernized elite, whose generally secular outlook is evident in the city's many art galleries and a performance of "The Vagina Monologues" scheduled for later this month. hmm, my sympathy meter is acting funny..... Mahmoud, remember to get your pills refilled.
"You can go to parties here and you can imagine you were in New York but you can smoke
or anywhere in the world," said Shehla Saigol, the city's leading art patron â Lahore's "Peggy Guggenheim," in the words of one associate â and the wife of a wealthy industrialist. Sitting in her billiards room one recent night, Saigol, 49, said she sometimes frets that her grown children "seem to know Monte Carlo and Cannes and Sardinia more than they know Pakistan."
Probably because they're more fun. And nobody beats them up...
At Punjab University last month, militant students used wooden clubs to beat a male and female student â both from Iran â after the two were discovered sitting together on a campus veranda, according to three professors. Masud Haq, a retired military officer and the university's registrar, said in an interview that he has taken a number of steps to curb fundamentalism on campus and that one of the students who carried out last month's attack has been expelled. and the others were placed on the Muslim honor role!
"I have firm control of the university," he said. "I don't allow any student or any extremist to raise his head." A lesson from the trenches that Haq is elevating to the ivory tower.
And then there was the flap over English literature, which began when Haq ordered a member of the department, Shahbaz Arif, to scrutinize the curriculum for offensive material. Arif compiled a long list of examples, including Jonathan Swift's description of "a monstrous breast" in "Gulliver's Travels" "Monstrous breast, is there any other kind?"
and the title of Alexander Pope's "The Rape of the Lock," "Gasp, hair!.... get the pills, woman!"
according to a copy of the memo he supplied to colleagues in the English department. Ernest Hemingway's "The Sun Also Rises," was deemed especially offensive: "All characters sexually astray: men homosexuals; females lesbians/promiscuous," he wrote. Fatima, it's the big one!
Islam apparently imparts the inability to realize that the rest of the world is laughing at you and making twirly motions around their ears with one finger...
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Thanks for cleaning up the formatting. I owe you a piece of pie.
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"The Vagina Monologues" in Lahore? Oh, I'll have to stay tuned on that one...
The "small but influential Westernized elite" might be getting a lot smaller and a lot less influential after the local loons check that out.
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IN OCTOBER 16, 2002, THE international media flashed the name Muslim United Army (MUA) around the globe. The name came up in connection with a series of parcel-bomb attacks in Karachi that left eight persons injured, including six policemen. The deadly letters were sent to the office of the provincial home secretary and some key police officials closely connected with the operation against sectarian and jihadi groups. After the first three attacks, the self-styled supreme commander of his own faction of the outlawed Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, Asif Ramzi, sent emails to news agencies and national newspapers in which he claimed responsibility for the attacks. Ramzi is believed to have been killed along with three accomplices in a mysterious bomb blast at a warehouse in Karachiâs Korangi area on December 19 last year. In an email message sent at 10 pm on October 16, Ramzi wrote: ââŠall the rightwing organisations, including the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, have formed the Muslim United Army to organise the groups against the United States. We are going to launch a war againstâŠanti-Islam forces, police and other non-Muslims on [sic] the platform of the MUA.â
Two months later he blew up. See? There is a God.
The message also made an appeal to Muslims living in the United States to leave that country since âthe Mujahideen have completed preparations to strike the United States again in which more than 3.5 million people could be killedâ.
"Yup. Yup. Us sophisticated Paks're gonna blow them infidels away. Wanna see my turban? Huh huh!"
Then came the news of Ramziâs death in a mysterious blast at a warehouse in Korangi. But the MUA, nonetheless, came on-line again. Another email message sent to various newspapers resolved that Ramziâs followers would take revenge from those involved in killing him.
"Yeah! They oughta put warning labels on them wires or somethin'!"
Earlier, after the bodies of four persons were found at the warehouse, investigators had brought in Ramziâs wife and mother who âidentifiedâ him from some birthmarks on a leg of one of the four deceased. The police also sent the limbs to a Lahore laboratory for DNA testing but the results of the test have yet to be made public.
Getting the feeling he's not quite as dead as we thought?
Interestingly, the investigators were still averse to adding the MUA as another militant outfit to a growing number of such groups. Most police officers TFT [The Friday Times] spoke to at the time believed that MUA was a fake name being used by one of the banned outfits to mislead the police. This theory did not hold water for too long. On May 15, 21 gas stations owned by the Anglo-Dutch Shell Company in Karachi were attacked with bombs of minor intensity. The bomb disposal squad officers told TFT the devices were slightly more powerful than firecrackers. However, officials admitted that the attacks showed a level of coordination and organisation and could well have been a test run for a bigger coordinated attack.
Half a dozen guys in turbans whizzing around on motorcycles tossing M80s at gas pumps is a major terrorist enterprise?
The letter referred to Sheikh Omar (Omar Saeed Sheikh, the main accused in the Daniel Pearl case), Mohammad Imran, Amir of Harkat-ul-Mujahideen al Aalmi, his deputy Hanif, Akram Lahori, supreme commander of his own faction of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, as the âgreatest leaders of the Ummahâ. It also warned that authorities should let go LeJâs Qari Asadullah, Naeem Bokhari and Faisal alias Zubair, who had been under arrest for the past 11 months without a judicial trial; indeed, authorities had failed to notify that any such persons had been arrested as part of the operation against militant groups.
Things began to unfold when police chanced upon a militant Mohammad Riaz, an LeJ activist, after he injured himself while placing a time-device on June 10 outside a KFC outlet at Aladdin Park, Karachiâs frequently visited picnic spot. Riazâ arrest led the police to five of his accomplices from Korangi and other parts of Karachi. The police also recovered a sizable quantity of explosives and bomb-making paraphernalia during the raid at Riazâ house in Korangi. The material included 12 bags of urea fertiliser, a time-bomb in a cigarette packet, two packs of fuses, two battery plugs, four complete explosive batteries, 10 timers, one plastic bomb-holder, a complete set of bomb-making equipment, a pack of 100 battery cells, eight wrist watches without chains, a handful of switches, three wire coils, one test-board, one packet of shoulder-wire, one compass, a drill machine and 13 live bullets of .30 calibre pistol. Further interrogations led the police to more members of the group in Korangiâs 100 Quarters area. There the police unearthed a bomb factory and arrested five activists of Harkatul Mujahideen al Aalmi making bombs in the shape of childrenâs pianos. They told investigators they had plans to leave the pianos at public places as traps for children who were bound to pick them up and press the keys connected with detonators.
"We like dead kiddies. It makes us feel Islamic. It says you're supposed to kill them right in the Koran someplace. You could look it up."
âThese men are HMA activists, which is also a part of the MUA,â chief of the Sindhâs Criminal Investigation Department, Javed Shah Bokhari told TFT. He said the police had been taking the MUA as a stunt of terrorist outfits but detailed investigations showed it was a reality. âIt is an alliance of a number of jihadi and terrorist outfits including the HMA and the LeJ,â Bokhari said. Most of these splinter groups are formed by the 2nd or 3rd level of leadership in the main Pak Jihadi outfits. While the leaders of the LeT, JeM, HuM etc are willing to do the bidding of the ISI, their subordinates are less 'pragmatic' and actually believe all that Jihad stuff, rather than just using it to send poor madrassa students to quick deaths while living a life of luxury, like all the Emirs of the Jihadi groups do.
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Ramzi is believed to have been killed along with three accomplices in a mysterious bomb blast at a warehouse...
Why is it when these retards blow themselves up it's always "mysterious"? I guess "Terror Boy Fucks Up: Dies" isn't a very "heroic" headline for all their fans out in Religion of Peaceland.
Jaranwala joins the anti-obscenity drive
According to daily Pakistan Naz Theatre in Jaranwala was the venue of fuhush naked dance when the police attacked the cinema and arrested all the artistes performing a cultural show there. The religious parties staged a violent protest at the staging of the show in Naz Theatre after which the police attacked the theatre and arrested the dancers and the audience. The audience was let off later on the payment of some âfeeâ to help the poor policemen and the artistes were subjected to police treatment.
Jehad went out of hand
Columnist Nazeer Naji wrote in Jang that Pakistan army had allowed the jihadi outfits to fight its wars in Afghanistan and Kashmir but these organisations got out of hand because of being exempt from Pakistani law. They accumulated wealth and weapons and became a coercive force in society spreading sectarianism and other crime. He said these elements were interfering in the genuine freedom struggle in Kashmir.
Irshad Haqqani on Tariq Ali
Veteran journalist Irshad Haqqani wrote in Jang that while he agreed with most of what Tariq Ali had to say in his recent Eqbal Ahmad memorial lecture in Lahore, he did not agree that Americaâs only interest in Iraq was oil. Tariq Ali had said that the US would have attacked Iraq even if there had been a Hindu or Buddhist government in Iraq. Irshad Haqqani thought that America was targeting the Muslims everywhere in the world and Iraq came under attack because it belonged to the Muslim civilisation. He thought America was not merely pursuing oil in Iraq but also Islamic civilisation.
Jamaat takes action in NWFP
According to daily Pakistan Jamaat Islami went out in the streets and took vigilante action against all advertisement hoardings showing female face. They blackened the ads and tore down hoardings in certain cases. Earlier chief minister Akram Durrani cancelled the permits of all hotels selling alcohol to non-Muslims on licence.
Science book explains ânarâ and âmadaâ
Daily Khabrain printed public protest at class seventh science textbook which explained the reproductive function of male and female human beings. The paper said that the sexual function was clearly explained therefore the textbook had been rendered obscene. According to the paper parents had refused to get their children to read the government-produced textbook. The parents appealed that the government should immediately ban the shameful and anti-Shariat textbook and punish those responsible in the textbook board.
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Does the price of admission to see the fuhush naked dance include the bribe for the poor policemen when they inevitably show up or do they add that on later like a surcharge? Is it considered tax deductible as a contribution to the "artistes"?
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Once again, the Urdu press reminds me how dangerous, anti-life, anti-spirit, and anti-intelligence "Islam" truly is.
I pity those who have to suffer under this death cult.
Just remember: This is what the Muslim world wants for America, her sons and her daughters.
Do you?
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Does the price of admission to see the fuhush naked dance include the bribe for the poor policemen when they inevitably show up or do they add that on later like a surcharge? Is it considered tax deductible as a contribution to the "artistes"?
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Once again, the Urdu press reminds me how dangerous, anti-life, anti-spirit, and anti-intelligence "Islam" truly is.
I pity those who have to suffer under this death cult.
Just remember: This is what the Muslim world wants for America, her sons and her daughters.
Do you?
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Dar al Islam is dead: Reason burned it down.
Iraqi Kurds are on their way to establishing a unified Kurdistan regional government in northern Iraq after their two main factions agreed to put their rancorous past behind them and merge their current local administrations. Neshirvan Barzani, prime minister in Massoud BarazaniâsKurdish Democratic Party (KDP) government, and Adnan Mufti, deputy prime minister in Jalal Talabaniâs Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) government, will both retain the same positions in the new united government, KDPâs media reported Wednesday. The KDP will have six ministers in the 11-minister Cabinet, while the PUK will have five. In a joint news conference after a meeting between the two partiesâ leaderships in the northern town of Dokan, officials announced that a committee would be formed from members of both parties to set up the mechanism of unifying the two governments.
No timetable was set for the implementation of the unification project, which comes after the reactivation of the Kurdish Parliament in October 2002, six years after it ceased activity. Kurds hope that parliamentary elections in the north, and the subsequent formation of a government would be held in the near future. âWe should learn from past experiences,â said Azad Jundiani, an official from the PUK. He told The Daily Star in a phone interview from Dokan that the days of inter-Kurdish rivalries were gone. âWe have a common history and a common future and we must put forward a well-defined plan to be presented at the national level,â Jundiani pointed out. He also said that Kurds perceive themselves as Iraqis and have no cessation plans. âWe only seek self-determination within a federal state,â he added.
Good idea. And if everything falls apart in Iraq, as is also possible, you've got all your spit together and you'll be ready to set up in business for yourself.
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I dunno if they can keep it together - the egos involved are bigger than the territory they "control." But one can hope.
The Kurdish region of Iraq is the only functional and civil area in the country - probably because they're NOT ARABS.
Personally, I hope that, someday, they get to form a nation - and take the northern oilfields with them. And I hope that the Southern area of Turkey and the Northwestern chunk of Iran that are also centuries-old Kurdish territories, join it.
BAGHDAD - A Sunni Muslim prayer leader charged Friday that US forces occupying Iraq were opening up the country to "the Jews" and chided Iraqis he said were working as "brokers" for the Jewish infiltrators. "The liberation of which they spoke boils down to liberating Iraq from its Arab Muslim people ... so that the Jews can enter it," Sheikh Mahmud Khalaf told the faithful during weekly Muslim prayers in Baghdad's Sheikh Abdul Kader al-Kilani mosque. "The Jews, civilian and military people, are now entering Iraq ... buying property, factories and companies while Iraqis work for them as brokers and guides," he said.
"Skulking in alleys, sniffin' around our wimmin..."
"It is a sin for Iraq's people to sell their lands to the Jews and to deal with the Jews in this way," the imam said.
"Yes, yes! A sin! Take their money, don't give them anything in return! That is the Arab Way™!"
Khalaf charged that the "honeyed promises" made by the US-led coalition that ousted Iraqi president Saddam Hussein in April had "gone with the wind."
"Then I looked around me, and, thhhpppt! They was gone!"
"The economic situation is deteriorating, the citizens' conditions are steadily getting worse, our country's resources have been devastated and our will has been usurped," he said. "Unemployment is growing, vice is spreading, crimes are being committed in every corner, honor is being violated, and blood is being shed."
"And the hookers! You just can't get away from them! Why, just last night... never mind."
Amid repeated hit-and-run attacks against US forces in Iraq, the US-led administration occupying the country has outlawed incitement to violence and said it was ready to enforce the ban even in mosques.
How about in mosques especially?
The imam urged the Muslim faithful to "return to God" in order to earn relief from the misfortune that struck them "when the occupiers entered our country under the banner of liberation."
"Buy yourself a turban! Slap your women! Wave your gun and roll your eyes! That is the way of true salvation!"
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Nah. No good deli's, no good Chinese food. Never happen.
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TU....I don't know, my cousins (both female) always considered their hairdressers and Saks MUCH more important than good deli.(gotta be a shayna madel)
Baghdad has been swept by rumors that the United States captured President Saddam Hussein earlier this week. This is believable to me because on Tuesday, (Wednesday in Iraq) Bush said, "And this is for certain: Saddam Hussein is no longer a threat to the United States and our friends and allies."
The rumors stemmed from published reports within Iraq that a unit of the U.S. Fourth Infantry Division secretly captured Saddam and his younger son Qusay in a farmhouse in Tikrit earlier this week. U.S. Central Command has denied the reports while acknowledging the capture of Sadam's secretary. The Iraqi newspaper Sada Al Watan, available on the Internet, reported that a U.S. force found Saddam, Qusay and the president's secretary Abid Hamid Mahmoud Tikriti in the Sunni city of Tikrit on Wednesday. The newspaper said the United States brought the three men to Baghdad airport and flew them to an unknown location for interrogation. Sada Al Watan said the United States concealed the capture of Saddam and Qusay to prevent attempts by loyalists to free them. The United States has acknowledged capturing Tikriti, Middle East Newsline reported. U.S. officials denied that Saddam, believed to be financing the Sunni insurgency against U.S. forces, was captured. Perhaps he was dead. I notice they don't mention Qusay.
But they acknowledged that U.S. military intelligence had thought that Saddam and Qusay were in the same house as Tikriti. The officials said military intelligence concluded that Tikriti helped facilitate Saddam's escape from Baghdad in April. A U.S. official was quoted by the Kuwaiti daily Al Ra Al Aam on Friday as saying that the United States would have been unable to keep Saddam's capture a secret. Maybe, but that's not exactly a denial that they captured him now is it?. They've confirmed that they believed they were together and failed to specifially deny that they captured him. I'm seriously getting my hopes up!
Tikriti was reported to have been arrested on Monday. Over the last two months, the United States has launched an intensive search for Saddam. The operation has been led by a unit termed Task Force 20, which includes elite military forces supported by the CIA. The fate of Saddam's elder son, Uday, has also remained uncertain. Last month, Iraqi opposition sources said Uday was in contact with U.S. authorities over the terms of his surrender. Maybe the terms were to give up Papa and Qusay.
Meanwhile, Central Command reported fresh casualties in attacks by Iraqi insurgents. On Thursday, a U.S. soldier was killed and two others were injured in a rocket-propelled grenade attack on a military ambulance in Iskandariya.
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i think it was blount, said that we'll be hearing more about senior captures in the coming days - wont get my hopes of for Saddam, but even if its "chemical" ali that would be a good thing.
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i think it was blount, said that we'll be hearing more about senior captures in the coming days - wont get my hopes of for Saddam, but even if its "chemical" ali that would be a good thing.
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Well...I think they got them! Yes I do. I really do. I think that because of what Bush said on Tuesday which corresponds to the same time frame (Wednesday in Iraq). It's not like Bush to say something he can't back up. Maybe he got a little too excited and let the cat out of the bag...just couldn't help himself, he's only human after all. The sad part is that if they did catch them, they probably won't tell us right away, so I won't be able to gloat.
I imagine they'd like to have a little one on one time with Saddaam and Qusay before they start worrying about if their handcuffs are too tight or they haven't been getting enough beauty sleep.
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Eh... not sure I understand why the US forces would deny having caught him if they indeed have caught him... If only to stop the remaining insurgents, it seems to me likely that they'd likely want to announce it as soon as possible. Either his capture or his death.
Could the rumours and not-entirely-convincing-denials be just a propaganda ploy? Making his remaining supporters lose heart?
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Hold his corpse until the day before the 2004 election. Schedule an emergency National Television Broadcast the night before the election. Tell the children to avert their eyes...
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Beyond the ridge where the Zagros Mountains divide Iran and Iraq, several hundred Islamic militants vanished into the early spring snow. On the eve of the Iraq war in March, a barrage of U.S. cruise missiles and a sweep by thousands of Kurdish soldiers cleared the fighters of Ansar al-Islam from mountain strongholds of northeast Iraq from where they had plagued the Kurds for years. Now, there are signs that the group, suspected to have links with Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network, is coming back.
"We are intercepting reports that elements of Ansar al-Islam are becoming active again," said Barham Salih, prime minister of the eastern sector of the Kurds' autonomous region in northern Iraq. The Kurds suggest people in Iran may be training and sheltering Ansar militants and helping them enter Iraq. They cite intelligence that a dozen Ansar activists sneaked into Baghdad in early April, before Saddam Hussein's capital fell to the U.S. onslaught. "One day, they can be used to launch operations against the Americans," said Shaho Mohamad Sayid, a Kurdish leader overseeing the area near the Iranian border where Ansar once operated.
On June 10, a military commander of the town of Kalar, near the oil-rich city of Kirkuk, was killed when he tried to arrest a suspected Ansar militant who set off a suicide bomb. When asked about Ansar, Col. William Mayville, commander of the U.S. Army's 173rd Airborne brigade based in Kirkuk, said his men are on the lookout for Islamic militants when patrolling the area.
"There's always been an understanding that there is the presence of terrorists in every city or village in this country," he said. "Turn over any rock and they slither out"
A June 13 article in Al-Sharq Al-Aswat, a London-based Arab daily, raised the alarm of a possible Ansar return. It reported that Abu Abdullah al-Shafei, an Ansar leader, was calling for guerrilla warfare against the coalition occupation. In the alleged communique, al-Shafei urged a shift to hit-and-run tactics against the secular Kurdish parties and the Americans, and called on supporters to provide weapons, recruits and money. Concerns about Ansar al-Islam were fueled by anecdotal intelligence, mostly from informants traveling across the Iranian border, that Ansar is active and regrouping in the Iranian cities of Meriwan, Sina and Marakhel. Ansar leaders were allegedly spotted in the Iranian city of Sandandaj not long ago. "They're generally unarmed, moving from place to place without staying anywhere permanently," said Mehdi Said Ali, Kurdish military commander of the border area. Permanent camp = target
The Kurds have passed on to the Americans raw intelligence alleging that 20 to 30 Ansar activists had been sent to Tehran for training, and some were being sent to Baghdad for operations against the Americans, Kurdish official Aso Hatem said. Iran's Foreign Ministry has denied any links between the largely Shiite Muslim country and the Sunni Muslim radicals that make up both Ansar and al-Qaida. Ansar members frequently harassed Shiite Iraqis as infidels. True, but Tehran subscribes to the old "The enemy of my enemy is expendible cannon fodder we can deny later" theory.
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(NY Times) - American intelligence analysts now believe that Saddam Hussein is much more likely to be alive than dead, a view that has been strengthened in recent weeks by intercepted communications among fugitive terrorists members of the Saddam Fedayeen and the Iraqi intelligence service, according to United States government officials. The officials said the recently obtained intelligence had re-intensified the search for Mr. Hussein along with his pet monsters sons, Uday and Qusay. More at link
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I hope they really REALLY miss all that money that has been confiscated in various vehicles in Iraq. They're have been, what, 3 trucks found full of cash? I hope it hurts. There won't be a Fedayeen or Iraqi Intelligence if they don't get paid...
EFL. From Yahoo.com
FALLUJAH, Iraq - A rocket-propelled grenade slammed into an electrical transformer near U.S. troops in Fallujah, injuring two soldiers and sending a tower of flame into the night sky, witnesses and the U.S. military said Friday.
It was the latest of a spiraling series of attacks on U.S. soldiers and sabotage against the infrastructure needed for Iraq's reconstruction.
The U.S. military said one of the soldiers suffered a concussion and the other bruises from the impact of the rockets exploding near two Bradley fighting vehicles at the gate.
The soldiers returned a barrage of gunfire into the darkness, said Soadad Khalil, the supervisor on duty at the power plant in Fallujah, 35 miles from Baghdad.
However, Brownlee of the 3rd Infantry Division said there was no firefight. More troops rushed to the area and rounded up 40 Iraqis trying to flee. He did not say how many remained in custody Friday.
The attack knocked out one of the two transformers at the power plant, which provides nearly half the electricity to this city of about 75,000 people. Fallujah has been a center of resistance to the coalition occupation of Iraq.
Brownlee said the attack was directed against the troops on guard at the facility, but the rocket missed its target. The transformer was still smoldering more than 12 hours after the attack, which happened shortly before midnight.
Khalil said the station's employees were assessing the damage to see what could be salvaged.
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Wait a minute..didn't Dubya say we won this war? Good thing those guerillas haven't gotten the imaginary weapons of mass destruction! Anyone think we should disarm the civilian Iraqi population--or would that tee off the NRA too? Maybe if Bush asked the NRA nicely...
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Who left the door open? Did you see the mess that troll just left?
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Heh...so the lefties think 'two soldiers injured by grenade' equals 'we didn't win the war'.
The libs are desperately grasping for ANY bad news for Bush.
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The United States says it has lost patience with the Burmese Government after Rangoon's repeated refusal to release the detained pro-democracy leader, Aung San Suu Kyi. The US Assistant Secretary of State, Lorne Craner, says if the current level of international pressure on Burma does not produce results, Washington is prepared to impose further economic sanctions. "We have lost our patience with Burma, just like Congress has lost its patience with the Burmese Government and the fact is that Burma has to rely to an extent on the United States and Europe in its economy," she said. "But they also have to rely on their neighbours, and their neighbours are beginning to lose patience as well. Anywhere there's violation then they need to be penalised. There are many countries around the world against which we have trade sanctions because of human rights violations."
And Burma should have been one of the first...
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Burma, Myanmar, whatever...
Oh shit! Even though the junta tinpots are, indeed, classic asshats and I'd like to see them served up as fish food, I hope the US punishment doesn't extend to travel restrictions on US citizens. I'm in Thailand and use the exit-reentry game between Burma and TL to renew my visitor visa in TL each month. If the Thais close down the border (and the noise out of the recent ASEAN conference was not good) or the US restricts travel, I'll have to leave heaven, er, I mean Thailand - and believe me, they need the business my US$ bring - SARS has devastated the Thai tourism industry for the last 3 months. And there are thousands of US and Euro people just like me. Sigh. I guess I should've known it was too good to last forever.
Geez, then I'd have to figure out where I want to live in the US... I was hoping to put that off until the US economy finally picks up.
I request an informal "poll" of where I can get cable-modem and the lowest taxes / PC-bullshit quotient in the US. Suggestions? (And no, Massachusetts and Hell are out of the question!)
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Texas has no state taxes, is booming economically and has $29.95/month DSL broadband courtesy of SBC Communications. It's mild most of the year, but pretty hellish during the summer.
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tu3031 - YOU are in Mass? I don't believe it - you're far too sane and connected to reality, not to mention funny as hell! Nope, not buying it. (G)
Zhang Fei - Yeah, believe it or not, I've been looking at Austin and San Antone as my first 2 possibilities - so we're on the same wavelength. I sure wish New Mex, Colo, and Nevada had the same tax setup as Texas. I dig mountains and coasts - and Houston's for ferns, not folks.
US Secretary of State Colin Powell has described the militant Palestinian movement Hamas as an "enemy of peace" that has to be dealt with. However, Hamas says Mr Powell is encouraging an escalation of violence against Palestinians. Mr Powell's visit to the region coincided with more violent attacks.
But natch. That's the way Paleostinians do welcoming committees...
An Israeli man was driving through the West Bank near Ramallah when a Palestinian gunman opened fire, causing the car to roll into a ditch. The man died of his wounds, while three others - including two Americans - were injured. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, which happened as US Secretary of State Colin Powell was holding a joint press conference in Jerusalem with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.
"See the way they're killing us poor Paleos? 'T's terrible, just terrible!"
Mr Powell praised Mr Sharon for being faithful to the so-called roadmap to peace, pointing to Israel's release of Palestinian prisoners and dismantling of an inhabited Jewish outpost. Afterwards, Mr Powell met with the Palestinian Prime Minister Abu Mazen, and urged him to crack down on militant groups such as Hamas. The US Secretary of State says Hamas is an enemy of the roadmap to peace. "As long as they have as an organisational culture, a commitment to terror and violence, I think it's a problem we have to deal with in its entirety."
We noticed that...
Hamas spokesman Ismail Abu Shanab has given a defiant response to Mr Powell. "I think Powell is encouraging Sharon to escalate the situation," he said. "He is speaking about obstacles in front of peace and he considers the Palestinian resistance as the obstacle. He is totally mistaken."
"We a peace-loving bunch. You just don't notice it..."
Another Hamas spokesman Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi has also reacted angrily to Mr Powell's comments. He has accused the Secretary of State of being selective in his analysis. "He again was lying when he spoke about Hamas as the one who started operations after the al-Aqaba summit and he forgets what Sharon did in Tulkarem on the second day and Gaza."
"Lies! All lies! We wudn't doin' nuffin'!"
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WASHINGTON: Having led the charge to war in Iraq, an influential think tank close to the Bush administration has added a new target, international non-governmental organizations (NGOs). Not just any international NGOs, but especially, if not exclusively, those with a âprogressiveâ or âliberalâ agenda that favors âglobal governanceâ and other notions that are also promoted by the United Nations and other multilateral agencies. The American Enterprise Institute (AEI) announced Wednesday that it, along with another right-wing group, the Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies, is launching a new website  located at www.ngowatch.org  to expose the funding, operations and agendas of international NGOs, and their alleged efforts to constrain US freedom of action in international affairs and influence the behavior of corporations abroad.
Hurrah! About damn' time!
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Some NOGOs have an agenda? And it's anti-American?
Say it ain't so!
The self-serving asshole NGOs have made the Iraq situation (for example) much worse than it should've been. I am fed up with their holier-than-thou bullshit on the pseudo-news circuit. Oxfam is one that was repeatedly featured by BBC (Baghdad Broadcasting Co) and CNN (Conjecture, Not News) and the jerk constantly whined about the entire spectrum of problems - and did zip to help anyone except himself as he sat on his fat ass at the Savoy.
It's very hard to find an organization (read: more than 2 people) to which you can donate money and know that it will actually do what was promised instead of being siphoned off to pay "executive" salaries. The United Way is a prime example.
I'll check out the site in hopes that it is very revealing.
TEHRAN - A top cleric Friday called on Iran's hardline judiciary to treat "rioters" arrested during 10 nights of anti-regime protests as "enemies of Allah" - a charge that carries the death penalty. "I ask the head of the judiciary and public prosecutors across Iran not to treat these people with compassion as they endangered the country's security. Islamic Sharia and our laws are explicit on what we should do with them," Ayatollah Mohammad Yazdi said in a Friday prayers sermon. "The judiciary should deal with these people as Moharebs (those who fight Allah) and not as Mokhalef (those who oppose Allah)," he added, urging the courts to handle the detainees "quickly, meticulously, seriously and ruthlessly".
"Yes, yes! We must kill them! Kill them all!" he said, spraying spittle into the ninth row...
The charge of being a Mohareb carries the death penalty in Iran. After student riots in 1999, one protestor was convicted of that charge and condemned to die, but the punishment was later commuted to 15 years imprisonment. Ayatollah Yazdi is a nut an ultra-conservative former head of Iran's judiciary - a bastion of the religious right - and currently a prominent jurist sitting on both the Guardians Council and Expediency Council, Iran's two top political oversight bodies.
Yasss... I think I might see what the problem is...
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Won't be long before those mulahf*kkers be needn' a shave and a haircut just to diguise themselves from those they 'lash out against now
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I wonder if he's a holdover from the good old Khomeini days? If so, he could wash his hands every second for the rest of his miserable life and still not get all the blood off.
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If the the mullahs and their ilk get their way and start killing students and protestors, that will be the spark that lights off Iran like a roman candle.
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For the UN to remain central to global politics, peace and security, it must take "effective action" to deal with threats to peace and security, the British Foreign Office minister for global issues, Bill Rammell, said on Thursday. The Foreign and Commonwealth Office reported that Rammel was speaking after a meeting in London with the UN Under-Secretary for Peacekeeping Operations, Jean-Marie Guehenno.
First step is to dump all the men with decision-making power who have girl's names...
Rammell said it was Britain's desire to see a resolution to the conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC), and that Britain was committed to helping achieve this objective. "We had a useful discussion about the current situation in the DRC, in particular about the multinational force deploying to Bunia," the Foreign Office quoted Rammell as saying.
"Useful discussions" are the ones where one side or the other says, "Yeah, you're right." They're not necessarily connected with any actions, only with the assignment of blame.
He said the international community's response to the crisis in the DRC had shown what could be done when "we have the courage to do so".
Ummm... Have they actually done anything? Other than have a couple of their guys killed and eaten?
On 30 May, the UN Security Council authorised the deployment of a 1,500-strong French-led multinational force in Bunia, where months of inter-militia fighting has led to hundreds of deaths and thousands of people displaced from their homes. About half of the multinational force is already in the eastern town. It is mandated to secure the town and to protect UN staff, humanitarian workers and displaced civilians.
It's not mandated to shoot anybody, though.
Guehenno was in London to attend a seminar on Thursday, hosted by the British Foreign Office, on modernising the UN. He gave a speech on the current and future Challenges of UN peacekeeping. The Foreign Office reported that Rammell told participants that the UN had to modernise its institutions and practices in order to face up to present day challenges. "I hope that during the course of today's seminar we can examine three key questions," he said. "First, how well is the UN meeting current concerns?
Not at all...
Second, what is the UN already doing to modernise its operations?
They have blue helmets instead of bearskin hats. And they wave guns instead of pikes...
And third, what should the UN do to meet new challenges?"
Shoot large numbers of Bad Guys? Nah. That'd never work... How about if they talk to them?
He said that without internal reform, the UN would be unable to meet the objectives that the international community set it in the Millennium Declaration. "Efficiencies are required to meet new priorities and new challenges," he said. "Ultimately, if we are seriously to address the global challenges we face, it is imperative that we work together: the United Nations, member states and civil society in partnership."
I'd say if you're ever going to accomplish something, you'll have to shoot a lot of Bad Guys. But, hey! What the hell do I know?
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You also might want to think about excluding the French from anything resembling a military operation. Except if the Legion goes in on it's own hook.
He said that without internal reform, the UN would be unable to meet the objectives that the international community set it in the Millennium Declaration. "Efficiencies are required to meet new priorities and new challenges," he said.
Let's see: Internal reform and "efficiencies".
Two things that huge Socialist bureaucracies really, really suck at.
There is hope after all.
I didn't think there was an end to the UN in sight!
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Burn down the UN.
Plow under the ashes.
Sow the soil with salt.
Place a plaque at the location listing the victims of this horrendous, costly fraud and include an apology for all of those who have suffered because of this abomination.
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Dar al Islam is dead: Reason burned it down.
The State Department has announced that the U.S. embassy in Nairobi, which was closed Friday because of what officials termed "a serious terrorist threat," will remain closed on Monday and Tuesday. The closure followed a decision by the Pentagon to raise the threat level in Kenya to 'high', U.S. officials said. 'High' is the most serious of four terrorism warning levels.
I think they should consider moving Kenya to a better neighborhood.
State Department spokesman Phillip Reeker said Friday that the closure would allow the embassy "to review its security posture." While American embassies in the region, and in many parts of the world, are shut down periodically for security concerns, officials said this action was prompted by specific information about planned activity. The embassy is housed in a new, high-security facility that was built after the 1998 bombing in Nairobi.
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Congress had only a few days left, and then-Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott wanted to get a White House nominee approved by senators before they went home. I wonder who the nominee was that created this flap?
But a senator secretly blocked the nominee, jumped on an airplane and fled Washington before his or her identity could be discovered, Lott said. This time, Sens. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, want the Senate Rules Committee to approve an official change saying that a letter must be published in the Senate's record requesting the hold within two days of a request or it would not be honored. Lott, R-Miss., is the committee chairman. Supporters say holds ensure that all senators are consulted on legislation and nominees, and help bring attention to issues that otherwise would be overlooked. For example, Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, blocked the approval of 212 Air Force officers earlier this month because he said service leaders would not honor a promise made in 1996 to add four C-130 transport planes to complete the half-squadron based at Gowen Air National Guard Base in Boise. Craig eventually released most of the holds after talks with the Air Force. As of today, most of the senior promotions are still on hold.
Democratic Sen. Robert Byrd of West Virginia, one of the staunchest defenders of Senate tradition and rules, said he probably won't support changing the system. ''I think we can find a way to achieve the goals of these two senators without changing Senate rules,'' he said. Appoint Lott's nominee and give Craig the planes?
Byrd suggested Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle. D-S.D., agree that before a hold is honored, the objecting senator would have to notify both party leaders, taking the decision to keep it silent out of partisan politics. Daschle and Frist said they would consider that.
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First no vote by our elected leaders should be secret I want to know every thing they vote on.
Secound if I had been serving my country faithfully for 20 plus years and some asshat senator did this to me I would seriously consider handing that butt head my commision in person accompanied by a serious ass chewing.
FORT KNOX - An investigating officer Friday recommended the court-martial of a soldier charged in the deadly grenade attack on sleeping 101st Airborne comrades in Kuwait. My surprise meter reads '0'.
Evidence shows Sgt. Hasan Akbar had ample time to acquire the grenades used in the attack and that Akbar's rifle killed one of the two officers who died, said Col. Patrick Reinert at an Article 32 hearing. "There are reasonable grounds to believe the accused committed the offensive charges," Reinert said. "This was a surprise attack executed by stealth." Fourteen other soldiers were wounded in the March 23 attack days before the 1st Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division was to move into Iraq. Reinert's recommendation will go to Abkar's battalion commander, Lt. Col. Peter DeLuca of the 326th Engineer Battalion, and eventually to Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, commanding general of the 101st. Maj. Trey Cate, 101st spokesman, said he does not know when DeLuca - who is in Iraq - would make a decision.
It's not a decision that calls for a lot of deliberation, I'd guess. Dead officers, wounded men, traitorous bad guy hiding under something...
Akbar's attorney said in closing arguments Friday morning that no eyewitnesses placed the soldier at the scene, and that soldiers on the ground unduly assumed he committed the crime because he is Muslim. "Nobody, not one witness, can say they saw Sgt. Akbar throw a grenade or fire a weapon," Lt. Col. Victor Hansen argued. Capt. Harper Cook, an attorney for the prosecution, said Akbar stole seven grenades from a Humvee he was guarding, then an hour later walked to the brigade operations area to attack his comrades in the three tents. "He selected the weapons, he pulled the pins, he threw the grenades and he shot Maj. (Kenneth) Romaine with his rifle," Cook said. Romaine was wounded in both hands and his left thigh by a gunshot in the attack, he testified. Cook said evidence shows Akbar's weapon was used to kill Capt. Army Capt. Christopher Scott Seifert, 27, of Easton, Pa. Air Force Maj. Gregory Stone, 40, of Boise, Idaho, also was killed. There goes the "nobody saw him do it" argument.
Cook also said Akbar was injured in his leg during the attack, but chose not to seek treatment because he wanted to blend in with other soldiers. His attack plan "was well-thought out and executed with military precision," Cook said.
Cowardly and underhanded, but executed with military precision.
Hansen pointed out that two different soldiers testified they told investigators that Akbar was not the man they saw shoot Seifert. One witness said he saw a second shot fired that he thought came from a second shooter. Hansen said the probe was tainted when Col. Ben Hodges, the brigade commander, told the arriving investigator that a soldier had confessed to the crime because he said American soldiers were going to rape and kill Muslims in Iraq. Hansen said soldiers on the ground were too quick to assume that Akbar committed the crime because he is Muslim and that Hodges was not a criminal investigator and should not have been making assumptions. "Now we'll never know" what really happened, Hansen said. Oh, I think we do.
Hodges testified by video teleconference from Mosul, Iraq, on Thursday that two Kuwaiti interpreters were detained immediately after the attack, but soon he received word that Akbar and grenades he had been guarding could not be accounted for. "By the time the sun's coming up, I was pretty well convinced it was one of our soldiers," said Hodges, who suffered shrapnel wounds in his arm in the attack. Akbar, 32, did not testify. He could face the death penalty if convicted at a court-martial. It is the first time since the Vietnam War that a U.S. Army soldier has been prosecuted for the murder or attempted murder of another soldier during a period of war, the Army said. If all the defense has to offer is "no one saw him" and "everyone is a bigot", it's going to be a mighty short trial.
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QUOTE=Rubeus Hagrid @ Prisoner of Azkaban
"Filthy, stinkin' turncoat!"
No skin off my fore...
By Jennifer Harper THE WASHINGTON TIMES
The rest of the world often entertains itself being annoyed with the United States. The opinion polls often show it. But that's nothing like American opinion of the global village. The inevitable experts say American scorn for foreign contempt is rooted in a fierce but amenable independence and an inner mettle. Experts can actually be right sometimes
"What we think of ourselves does not depend on the opinions of others," says Matthew Spalding, director of the B. Kenneth Simon Center for American Studies at the Heritage Foundation. "And that is what it means to be self-governing, as our founders originally intended. It gives us great confidence." Frankly we don't give a rat's ass
Yeah. Want to see what my finger looks like?
"We don't ignore world opinion, but we don't allow it to determine our fate. At our core, we have intellectual and moral independence in the very largest sense." Poll numbers support that, too. Almost six out of 10 Americans, according to a recent ABC News poll, are not particularly concerned that the relationships with France, Germany and Russia were bruised during the war against Iraq.
How concerned are the Frenchies, Fritzies, and Ivans that we're cheesed at them?
Two-thirds of Americans are happy with their country's role in the world, according to a Gallup poll, and 64 percent think that our way of life must be protected "against foreign influence," according to a Pew Research poll.
"Realpolitik" is a German word that loosely translated means "making deals that will effect millions with people you wouldn't want to sit next to on a bus."
Though there was hubbub recently over an American boycott of French products â "freedom fries" and all that â one poll offers a reality check: In a Gallup/CNN/USA Today survey of 1,001 persons in late April, 67 percent said they don't even buy French products in the first place. There also appears to be some irony: U.S. foreign policy, pop culture and attitude irk the world. But the world still waits at the door. Indeed, a Carnegie poll in November of more than 1,000 foreign-born immigrants found that 80 percent of them, given the chance to "do it again," would come to the United States; 96 percent said they were happy; and 80 percent called this nation "a unique country that stands for something special in the world."
U.S. relations with the world are rife with complexities, though. People worldwide "actually like Americans, and they continually think of us, yet we barely recognize they exist," notes Mark Hertsgaard, author of "The Eagle's Shadow: Why America Fascinates and Infuriates the World." The attitude has changed a little after September 11, "but there's still a self-centeredness. We see everything through the prism of our own experience. We've been self-contained for a long time. But we're not the only country to do that. I can't think of a more self-centered nation than China." Mr. Hertsgaard says the "if they don't like it, they can lump it" mind-set held by so many Americans could imperil the war on terrorism, as well as the global economy and other challenges, insisting that "we can't do it alone." But he concedes that the U.S.-centered attitude has a positive side. It stokes the conviction that "we can change things, that we can do better, that life can be different."
Magnified by the war on Iraq, U.S. ire with waffling allies and rogue governments was particularly sharp earlier this year, prompting the New York Times, among others, to examine the "anti-Europeanism" phenomenon in the country. "The current stereotype of Europeans in easily summarized," wrote Timothy Garton Ash in February. "Europeans are wimps. They are weak, petulant, hypocritical, disunited, sometimes anti-Semitic and often anti-American appeasers ... their values and their spines have dissolved in a lukewarm bath of multilateral, transnational, secular and postmodern fudge."
That sounds like large numbers of Americans, as well. Since 9-11 they haven't been in the majority anymore.
But Americans can't seem to nurture such a grudge for long. A Fox News poll of 900 voters released June 6 found that 61 percent were ready to "restore a friendly relationship" with France.
I put that down to our short national attention span...
Things are still pretty acrimonious elsewhere, however. This week, it was the British Broadcasting Corp.'s turn to poke at America. A BBC poll of 11,000 persons in 11 countries released Tuesday said 65 percent of those surveyed thought Americans were "arrogant," and 85 percent said Americans were not "humble." But 73 percent also described America as "free."
Just as a guess, I'd say most Americans regard most other countries as either "arrogant" or "despicable." Some we regard through a haze of brotherhood — we have much in common with Australia, so we assume the Australians are "just like us," and we end up being surprised when they act like Social Democrats. The "despicable" category is larger than the "arrogant" category and much larger than the "friendly" category. We lump regimes like Cuba in with Zim and Egypt and Our Close Friend and Ally Pakistan — nations that are failed states by the sweat of their own brows. Some, like Saudi Arabia, manage to be both arrogant and despicable at the same time, with the causes and effects so intertwined they'll never be sorted out.
"Open your eyes, you naysayers, and look at the American dream as I did," one Briton-turned-American told the BBC in protest on Tuesday. "Yes, it works for a quarter billion people." No shortage of applicants to come here, are there
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Capsu78 - I would strongly suggest that the decline of the American educational system is a product of dipshit morons growing up after their Hippy-Dippy and Anti-VietNam War demonstration daze to become the administrators, professors, and (from what I witnessed as a parent) authors of textbooks.
I would, also, suggest that Jennifer Harper is just another "news outlet" flak and here she has merely snickered her way through a collection of factoids - neither enriching or informing any of us. It's just another turd in the currently fashionable bash-America sewage, even if it's subtle in this case. Nothing serious or remotely surprising in the whole lot.
As an American I am confident that our system is, indeed, superior in far more respects than any other. Point by point, it's certainly possible to find something in some other nation's political and legal system you prefer, but in sum the US is the cat's meow. We have the widest range of freedoms - and remedies for grievances - ever assembled in one society. And we are taught (at least I was) that individualism is the key and eash of us is free to do almost anything we want - we need only accept responsibility for the results, good or bad.
I'm glad the little Norwegian knew her geography. Don't like the fact that US school students are being short-sheeted? Then get involved. As a parent, I did - and it was a real eye-opener to find out that the texts (and the teachers and administrators) were riddled with inaccuracies, revisionism, foolish biases, and outright bullshit. It was certainly interesting, and rather fun, to fight the PC twits. My daughter and I had some very interesting conversations, believe me, during her school years. She turned out pretty damned well, I must say, in spite of the schools - and me.
As for the Canadians, fuck 'em - they've gotten of far too lightly, IMHO. Sell 'em the moon - and let 'em freeze their asses off.
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IMHO, America's "self centeredness" can trace some of its roots to the US educational system deemphisising subjects like Geography, History and civics in the 60's and replacing them with watered down composite classes. Case in point, once hosted a Norwegian exchange student for a year who was completely shocked that her 12 grade classmates could not locate Norway on the globe. She on the other hand knew the location of all 50 states and could make a pretty good run at naming most of the state capitals. And her English was better than most of the kids down at the Mall, which she attributed to American cartoons which were much better than "crappy norwegian" cartoons (her words).
OTOH the rest of the world gets American fast food, pop culture and syndicated Hollywood...I am convinced many "Jihottie's" think they are fighting against JR, Bruce Willis and the girls from Baywatch.
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A question I would like to have seen the Beeb ask is "Do you favor immediate Merkin military disarmament?"
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Capsu78:
American self-centeredness: I agree with Hertsgaard's statement about China. And, having lived for years in Japan, the same could be said about that nation.
Your Norwegian exchange student: Great, now have them name all provinces of Canada. Or, all the states in Brazil.
My point: It is a mistake to compare what CountryX knows of the US, with what the US knows about CountryX, given the current dominance of the US in the world.
My favorite test when I have been confronted with similar stories in the past is, "Quick, name the current Japanese Prime Minister!" Japan is the second largest economy in the world, and producer of much of the products and culture experienced in the daily lives of people around the globe. Despite that, I am impressed when a foreigner, American or otherwise, actually knows something basic about that country...
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Speaking of Baldwin (Hodadenons post)- Did any of the folks who were threatening to leave the US if W. was elected ever do? I'm thinking of the mentionable known personalities and not folks from poets against the war.
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Capsu78, I think you're wrong about the educational system. My grandparents' generation may have known more about other countries than the current generation, but they didn't care any more. In fact, you could argue that they cared quite a bit less (activism being much more fashionable these days).
Come to that, most of my own personal grandparents didn't graduate from high school, which was true of many Americans in those days, and not in these. So it's not very useful to compare what was taught in high schools across the generations.
On the other hand, I'll agree with you about the girls from Baywatch.
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Capsu78 - I would strongly suggest that the decline of the American educational system is a product of dipshit morons growing up after their Hippy-Dippy and Anti-VietNam War demonstration daze to become the administrators, professors, and (from what I witnessed as a parent) authors of textbooks.
I would, also, suggest that Jennifer Harper is just another "news outlet" flak and here she has merely snickered her way through a collection of factoids - neither enriching or informing any of us. It's just another turd in the currently fashionable bash-America sewage, even if it's subtle in this case. Nothing serious or remotely surprising in the whole lot.
As an American I am confident that our system is, indeed, superior in far more respects than any other. Point by point, it's certainly possible to find something in some other nation's political and legal system you prefer, but in sum the US is the cat's meow. We have the widest range of freedoms - and remedies for grievances - ever assembled in one society. And we are taught (at least I was) that individualism is the key and eash of us is free to do almost anything we want - we need only accept responsibility for the results, good or bad.
I'm glad the little Norwegian knew her geography. Don't like the fact that US school students are being short-sheeted? Then get involved. As a parent, I did - and it was a real eye-opener to find out that the texts (and the teachers and administrators) were riddled with inaccuracies, revisionism, foolish biases, and outright bullshit. It was certainly interesting, and rather fun, to fight the PC twits. My daughter and I had some very interesting conversations, believe me, during her school years. She turned out pretty damned well, I must say, in spite of the schools - and me.
As for the Canadians, fuck 'em - they've gotten of far too lightly, IMHO. Sell 'em the moon - and let 'em freeze their asses off.
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"My point: It is a mistake to compare what CountryX knows of the US, with what the US knows about CountryX, given the current dominance of the US in the world. "
Eh, there are levels and levels of knowledge... One can't expect an American to know many details about CountryX, but one would expect him to be able to locate it roughly on the map... One perhaps couldn't demand he remembers the capital of Slovakia, but one should expect him to be able to list ten or fifteen european countries off the top of his head.
Of course even I tend to forget things such as e.g. where Senegal is located, and until the country became a newspiece I didn't remember whether Liberia was on the western or eastern Africa, so I perhaps shouldn't talk either...
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Sorry, didn't mean to start this rant, but since we are all screwing off on a perfectly beautiful summer day (at least out my window)... My first comments represented my 50,000 ft view of education, and I still think it was a mistake to blend geography, civics and history into "social studies". Others say it far better than I, but the US educational system was the envy of the world for 100 years prior to the tinkering that took place in the "progressive" 60's. I lived through old math and new math and quite frankly am still waiting for the relevance during my lifetime of algebra or of long complicated word problems involving jets taking off from LA traveling at 380 MPH with a tailwind of 50 MPH while another jet lihts off from St Louis 1 hour later traveling 420MPH with a headwind of 25 MPH... Christ, I prefer leave that to American Airlines to figure out when the planes will pass for me...
Anyway, the last of my kids are wrapping up HS and I have a fresh college graduate who also turned out bright enough to pursue grad school during this crappy job market, so I am about to pass off my concerns of our educational system to the next generation "as is". I am happy with the education my kids got, in public schools no less, but not happy enough to vote "yes" the next time the school district referendums up another trip to my wallet.
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liberalhawk> Not sure why you felt the need to keep bringing your Jewishness, but as a counterbalance I'll keep bringing up my height.
And not sure why you felt that Italy is an "eagle" while Greece is a "weasel", when Greece probably did more to aid you in the Iraq war than Italy did. Is it all the posturing by Berlusconi? If it's style over substance you want then he's definitely your ally, otherwise he's noone's ally but his own.
But I'm 1.75m, and I guess the opinions of 1.75m people don't count, I suppose.
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*rolling eyes* I don't think that the people participating in international politics discussions here need to try and show off their skills at geography. The question was about the skills of the Average Joe... Or the average student...
But let me try my hand at this exercise:
Texas, California, New York, New Jersey, Florida, Pennsylvania, Oregon, Virginia, West Virginia, S. Dakota, N. Dakota, Alabama, Missisipi, Louisiana, Georgia, Texas, Alaska, Hawai, Texas, Kansas, Utah, Indiana, Washington, Arkansas, Minnessota, Utah, New Mexico, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Vermont.
30 states without consulting a map... That's decent enough I guess - though my brother would be able to list all 50. And all your presidents as well.
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And Yank, your list isn't accurate. A small nitpick - It's not "Serbia" but "Serbia & Montenegro". And the countries like Portugal and Slovakia signed that declaration, so "Neutrals"?? About as much as Poland, I guess. And the Pope took a position against the Iraq War, so I don't think you can consider Vatican a "NEUTRAL" either. :-)
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"If the French and Germans had worked with us re Iraq, we might not have gone to war since Saddam might have thought he was isolated."
Bullshit. You can't have it both ways, you can't *both* claim that war was inevitable (and that's why inspections were a waste of time) and also claim that you might not have gone to war after all if only those nasty countries had allied with you.
Right or wrong, the war had been decided. Inspections were being ridiculed and ignored, reports were being "sexed up" to increase the level of urgency they indicated...
You weren't willing to leave Saddam in power, and there's no way he'd have willingly abandoned power himself. Right or wrong the war was going to happen.
Just as a guess, I'd say most Americans regard most other countries as either "arrogant" or "despicable."
I agree with you, Frank.
I certainly feel that way.
Americans are called arrogant by snotty, self-absorbed EUroweenies who complain that we don't know enough about "the world".
These are the same people who wouldn't know a Cherokee from a Sioux or an Alabaman from a Virginian, but get their knickers in a twist if I can't tell a Belgian from an Luxembourgian :).
"The world" can bite me.
When they care enough about America to recognize the good we do instead of latching onto any and every bad thing that America/Americans have ever done, then I'll care.
If they ever stop and think about the American people and the nation as a whole as more than silly stereotypes that suit their id fueled hatred, fear and envy, then my ears will perk up when a citizen of "the world" talks.
Until then, the hypocrites of "the world", can cram it with walnuts.
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Don't expect a reply from Aris,Mike.Awhile back,after Aris accused me of being a bigot and Francphobe(phobia is a fear of something I don't fear France I despise France)what he thought of Depinhead meeting with Arrafat,France's refusal to take action aginst HAMAS and never got an answer.
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MOSCOW (AP) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday that Iran was prepared to accept tight international oversight of its nuclear program. He also called for security guarantees to be given to North Korea to solve the deadlock over its nuclear activity.
In his annual Kremlin news conference, Putin also said that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat must not be shot shut out of a cannon the Mideast peace process. ``He's influential,'' Putin said. ``A lot of people in the region count on him to die soon.'' I hope this was for domestic consumption, he can't really be this dumb.
Putin said Iranian President Mohammad Khatami had assured him in a telephone call two days ago that his country does not strive for nuclear weapons openly and that it was prepared to sign protocols required by the International Atomic Energy Agency. "Vladimir, don't worry, we saw in Iraq how well the IAEA worked. Of course we'll sign!"
``The Iranian leadership is ready to fully meet all the IAEA demands regarding control over its nuclear program,'' Putin said.
On Thursday, the U.N. nuclear watchdog urged Iran to allow more inspections and to stop enriching nuclear fuel, but it rejected Washington's effort to bring the matter before the U.N. Security Council. Tehran insists its program is intended to produce electricity. Russia has an $800 million contract to build a nuclear power plant in Iran and insists U.S. fears that the project could help Tehran develop nuclear weapons are unfounded.
Under U.S. pressure, Russia has urged Iran to open itself up to broader nuclear inspections, but it has not made fulfillment of the power plant contract contingent on Tehran's signing an additional IAEA protocol providing the U.N. organization with greater access. Putin warned against pressuring Russia to abandon the Bushehr contract, saying Russia was against ``using the nuclear card in unfair competition on the Iranian market.'' Translation from the original Russian: "We smell the meat a'cooking!"
In response to a question from a South Korean journalist, Putin said President Bush did not favor using force against North Korea. ``As far as I know from my meetings with President Bush, he has no plans to solve the Korean nuclear problem militarily today or tomorrow,'' Putin said.
He said that the U.S. and Russian positions on the crisis were becoming closer but insisted that Pyongyang's insanity security worries be addressed. ``We think this problem must be solved by negotiations, taking into account North Korea's legitimate interests and concerns. North Korea should not be cornered, and the problem should not be exacerbated.'' Thanks Vlad, but we know how to handle a rabid dog.
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Iranian President Mohammad Khatami had assured him in a telephone call two days ago that his country does not strive for nuclear weapons and that it was prepared to sign protocols required by the International Atomic Energy Agency.
A facility with oaths doesn't make anybody feel any better about you guys, Mo. Just a hint.
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Iranian President Mohammad Khatami had assured him in a telephone call two days ago that his country does not strive for nuclear weapons and that it was prepared to sign protocols required by the International Atomic Energy Agency.
A facility with oaths doesn't make anybody feel any better about you guys, Mo. Just a hint.
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The Bush Admin's gentle handling of Putin amazes me. He met Dubya face to face and within 6 months was stabbing him (us) in the back in every venue available.
I still think that, someday - now obviously post-Putin, the Russians and Americans could become great allies and friends (?) in a classic 'win-win' relationship...
For the moment, however, I can't help but marvel at Dubya's approach to this snake.
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Iran has requested that the U.N. Oversight group be headed by one Hans Blix, with expert assistance by arms expert Scott Ritter. Mr. Khatami stated "My 13 year old daughter is a big fan of Mr. Ritter, she can't wait to meet him..."
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Hmm sounds like it's time to send in Condi, Rummy, and Halliburton Cheney with some accusations of imaginary weapons of mass destruction. Crank up the Washington Times, Faux Fox News, The Weekly Standard and Rush Limbo--looks like we're gonna go to war again in time for the next election cycle.
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Not MM...are you SURE you're not? Perhaps you're just channeling?
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NMM: Send your resume into Al Gore. Maybe he can find you a spot on his new Liberal Loser Radio Network. You can get him his ice tea during the breaks on his talk show...
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I think Bush is being polite with Putin because there is hope of improvement of relations with Russia. With France there is no hope of improvements with Chiraq around. There is a future in Russia with all kinds of things: minerals, energy, etc. With France it's Bhurkas. I can't think of anything else.
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Liberian President Charles Taylor said on Friday he had no intention of stepping down before his term ends in January and reserved the right to stand for re-election. A ceasefire deal was agreed this week between rebels and Taylor's government, setting a 30-day deadline for talks on a comprehensive peace deal and a transition government without Taylor. ''I intend to complete my tenure as president and turn over to the vice-president. I reserve the right, my constitutional right, following the transition, to run for general elections if I decided to do so,'' Taylor said in a radio broadcast. "I also plan to count the votes myself."
Taylor, who has been indicted by a U.N.-backed war crimes court for his role in Sierra Leone's savage civil war, had said previously that he was prepared to step down at the end of his mandate if it would bring peace. But he also wants the indictment against him lifted. ''Some people have misinterpreted that President Taylor is supposedly stepping down in 30 days,'' he said during the broadcast, adding that that was just ''a dream.'' More like a nightmare. Time for "Plan B".
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expect that the number of countries willing to accept him without extradition was - none.
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Chas the Spaz is never going to step down voluntarily. That would be like Garofalo keeping that promise she made!
Controlled? I guess dead would count as controlled...
JERUSALEM - The Palestinian Authority must crack down on militant groups, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said Friday.
"Terrorist organizations such as Hamas are not committed to peace but committed to violence," he said during a visit to the region. He was last there on June 4.
"We must make sure that all international pressure is brought to bear on these organizations."
Powell's comments came during a joint news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, and just before a meeting with Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas.
Meanwhile, an Israeli motorist was shot dead and three others wounded near the West Bank city of Ramallah around the time Sharon and Powell were meeting. Because the Paleos want peace, of course..
The focus of recent talks between Israelis and Palestinians has been on Israeli troops retreating from some Gaza Strip areas and having the Palestinians take over security in their place.
The Palestinians have said they need more time to negotiate a ceasefire with the militant groups â a task that has occupied most of Abbas's time these past few days. More time? What productive result can you show from any of the time already spent? Not a G*&damn thing, you lying bastards
For their part, Hamas and other militant Palestinian groups have said while they might restrict their attacks within Israel itself, they will continue to attack soldiers and settlers in the West Bank. Well that's certainly a step to peace {sarcasm off}
Sharon said the time for Abbas to act against the militants is now.
"We have proposed to the Palestinian Authority to assume responsibility as quickly as possible. Until they do, we will continue with our operations."
Abbas has said there will be no violent crackdown as it might trigger a Palestinian civil war. I expect the same, it's just a matter of whether time
Israel has said it wants the right to go after "ticking bombs" â those who are planning to carry out suicide bombings or similar activities.
Sharon says he wants to wipe out Hamas. An attempt to assassinate Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi last week led to the suicide bombing of a bus. More than 60 people died in the ensuing violence.
The Israelis have since said such operations will be more limited. To Rantissi, Yassin, Arafat, hopefully, then those taht replace them?
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To misquote General Sherman, "The only good boomer is a dead boomer."
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... An attempt to assassinate Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi last week led to the suicide bombing of a bus. More than 60 people died in the ensuing violence.
BullS**t! Contrary to popular belief, there is a tremendous amount of brainwashing, training and funding that goes into each of those boomer attempts. This was planned and prepared ahead of time, and at most, may have been held back until a suitable opportunity presented itself. In this case, Hamas could claim "just retribution", but it would have happened sooner or later.
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Every report I have read from a major news source attributes the "breakdown" on the "road map" to this assasination attempt. Not ONE has even mentioned the fact that the assassination attempt only occurred AFTER Abbas specifically stated he would not crack down on Hamas. It was a textbook case of beheading the snake. A comparison can be made w. the US military strike (twice) at Saddam at personal residence, but I have not heard nearly the amount of criticism from the media on that one (and am not implying either warrants such criticism). It's such a blatant double standard.
The armed wing of the militant Palestinian group Hamas has claimed responsibility for the West Bank shooting that killed an Israeli and wounded three other people, including two Americans. In a statement faxed to AFP, the Ezzedine Al-Qassam Brigades said it was behind the shooting that occurred just as US Secretary of State Colin Powell was meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in Jerusalem. "Ezzedine Al-Qassam claims responsibility as a tribute to our hero prisoners in Nazi-Zionist jails," the statement said. "We will not stop the struggle as long as there is one prisoner in the jail of our enemies." We guessed you did it, but thanks for the confession. We'll make sure it gets placed in your permanent record.
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None of these nutjobs deserves anything but a bullet in the head. And the same to any so-called "civillians" who voluntarily shield them. Outside of carpet bombing all Palestinian population centers, Transfer is the only solution. Otherwise, this bullshit will just keep on happening, and happening, and happening....
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None of these nutjobs deserves anything but a bullet in the head. And the same to any so-called "civillians" who voluntarily shield them. Outside of carpet bombing all Palestinian population centers, Transfer is the only solution. Otherwise, this bullshit will just keep on happening, and happening, and happening....
A vehicle packed with explosives blew up outside a government building in the Chechen capital Grozny on Friday causing fatalities. There were no firm details on the number of casualties. The agency said the explosion occurred only yards from a main government complex in the separatist region. "According to preliminary information, this was a car with explosives," an unnamed source said. Interfax had earlier said a government building was destroyed. The bomb attack came only hours after President Vladimir Putin told a news conference in Moscow that the only way forward in the rebel region was to follow the peace blueprint laid out by the Kremlin. So, how's that roadmap, er, blueprint going, Vlad?
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Oops! A truck packed with explosives blew up near a government building in Chechnya's regional capital on Friday, in a failed attack which killed two suicide bombers aboard it and wounded dozens of others. Emergency officials said at least 36 people were injured in the blast yards from a high-security complex of official buildings in Grozny. Four were taken to hospital.
"The truck was driving toward the complex of government buildings, but exploded before it got there," Khamid Adayev, deputy head of Chechnya's Interior Ministry, told Interfax news agency.
Another fine example of evolution at work.
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Update: At least one person was killed today when two large explosions rocked a district near a government compound in the Chechen capital Grozny.
A woman died in one blast near the regionâs Economic Ministry and another blast went off nearby, but it was unclear if it had caused any casualties.
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2 more heroes go up in a "mysterious" explosion? Does Allah dope slap these idiots when they show up?
Two United Nations observers went missing in the northeastern Congolese town of Beni after being taken from their office by unidentified people. The disappearance late on Thursday follows the killing of two other observers with the United Nations Mission in the Democratic Republic of Congo (MONUC) last month in a similarly remote area of the vast country, the size of western Europe. The U.N. mission said it had no information on who had taken the two men and declined to reveal their nationalities. "They were taken to an unknown destination by unknown people," MONUC spokesman Hamadoun Toure said by telephone from the Congolese capital Kinshasa. "We're trying to find out what happened to them," he said. Lunch now being served.
Beni lies 70 miles to the southwest of the Congolese town of Bunia, where an international force composed mainly of French troops began deploying this month to shield residents in the town from tribal bloodshed. MONUC, which began deploying observers in Congo in 2001 to monitor a cease-fire deal, is a separate mission from the new force in Bunia, and contains troops from various countries. Poor bastards
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06/20/2003 09:39 am ||
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Is the asshole Col. mentioned below in charge of these poor bastards too? Or does this leadersip ability permeate the entire command structure in that hellhole? Forget I asked, I already know the answer.
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This makes me really proud that my American tax dollars disproportionately fund the UN.
Posted by: Mike N. ||
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Good to see the UN put a real leader of men in charge over there. I wouldn't follow this guy to the shithouse.
Think Kofi and Col. Vollot will be going up in front of the ICC for criminal negligence and conspiracy? Naaaah, me neither.
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Just another reason why peacekeepers should not be working under the UN flag. At least if they were working under their own country's command someone may have given a shit about their lives.
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we have been reading for weeks in the blogs about this UN debacle in the congo...but practically NOTHING in the mainstream media..the Iranian protests get short shrift, zip about the melt down in France, thanks to their mafia style unions...DO you believe my local paper had an article TODAY telling how Myanmar opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi has been imprisoned...NO SHIT SHERLOCK...Ive known that for over a week... oh, and by the way, a 727 went missing over Angola a month ago...SHEESH!!!!!!
That's why I don't get a newspaper anymore and ignore CNN. For *real* news all you need is Rantburg! Plus, you can talk back and make snarky comments here. Ah, progress - I love it. Death to old media!
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This makes me really proud that my American tax dollars disproportionately fund the UN.
Posted by: Mike N. ||
06/20/2003 13:18 Comments ||
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Their families should file suit against the U.N in Belgiam.
Posted by: Mike N. ||
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Loved it when the colonel said he didn't feel guilty. These are UN rules. Gotta ask permission from the killers surrounding the observers if a chopper can land. Pilots are afraid. Umm, what other excuses can I think of? But mon colonel est certainement beau en uniforme, n'est-ce pas? Comme da vile pin en mufti... et aussi efficace.
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If I was asked to be a UN peacekeeper/observer I would refuse,If I already was one I mould quit.
North Korea vowed on Friday to take "strong emergency measures" to retaliate if the United States succeeds in taking Pyongyang's nuclear programs to the United Nations Security Council. The North Korean threat came as South Korea reiterated its reluctance to put the issue before the Council at this time despite U.S. moves on Thursday for a statement condemning Pyongyang for reviving its nuclear weapons program. Weenies
A draft statement circulated by Washington would call on Pyongyang "to immediately and completely dismantle its nuclear weapons program in a verifiable and irreversible manner" and fully comply with international nuclear safeguard requirements, according to a copy of the text obtained by Reuters. "In the event the United States takes the nuclear issue to the United Nations, we will respond with powerful emergency measures," said the communist state's ruling party newspaper. The Rodong Sinmun did not specify how it would respond if the nuclear crisis is taken up by the Council -- a U.S. goal it described as "an attempt to legitimize an international pressure campaign against us and provoke a second Korean War." Extra rations of Juche and white slag for everyone!
South Korean Foreign Minister Yoon Young-kwan told reporters in the Cambodian capital on Friday, that Seoul wanted more time to allow a North Korean response to proposals for multilateral talks on the eight-month-old nuclear crisis. "With a proposal made for follow-up talks to the Beijing meeting, our government's stance is that it is important to properly choose the timing" for a U.N. Security Council debate, Yoon was quoted as telling South Korean domestic media. Weenie
In April, Beijing hosted talks among U.S., North Korean and Chinese officials at which Pyongyang's representative said North Korean possessed nuclear weapons and was set to make more and possibly test or transfer them to third parties. A proposed new round of multilateral talks would expand the Beijing format to involve South Korea and Japan. North Korea has resisted this formula, insisting on bilateral talks with the United States that might be followed by a larger forum.
China, joined by Russia, blocked a previous U.S. effort in early April to convince the 15-nation Security Council to condemn North Korea. On account of the Norks are such nice, reasonable folks.
Washington sought the action after Pyongyang announced it was pulling out of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and was enriching uranium that could be used in making bombs.
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06/20/2003 08:59 am ||
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Hope our troops are relocated to the south on a faster pace every time one of the SK invertebrates tries to play down the conflict. Even better, pull em out completely in favor of an Aegis deployment between NK and Japan
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The Norks (great name!) rattle their cages and the Sorks shake, cower, and appease. Man it is S.O.P. Why should the Norks not do this brinkmanship and foamism? It does not get them what they want, but they get some rice and an opening. I think that we need a new approach after 50 years of this nonsense. S.K. needs a message and accellerated US troop repositioning and then withdrawl should get the message across. The S.K.s also have to start cleaning all the 5th column propaganda out of their schoolbooks and everything else, or they are going down, with or without us.
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5th column propaganda? What 5th column propaganda? (As I look out my office window at the big Korean banners reading "Disband the Anti-Unification, Pro-American Grand National Party!" and the "Expel the Murderous US Military!") Ahh... life on a Korean university campus.
Look, that repositioning is going to take a lot longer than you think - Seoul is going to stall that every step of the way by using, among other things, anti-American NGOs to protest the new base sites south of Seoul. Heck, they're not even moving south directly; first, the 2ID is going to consolidate in Uijeongbu (about a 30 minute subway ride north of Seoul), and then redeploy south of the Han. Already, people are complaining in Uijeongbu about land transfers. These guys should be pulled out immediately - there's no reason for the USFK to continue being a pawn in domestic Korean politics. As I've said nearly a 1000 times, if Seoul doesn't want to be a team player, it should be kicked off the team.
Weenies, indeed.
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Marmot: If the Sorks ask us to file an environmental statement, or similar delaying tactic, we need to tell them "OK, we'll just move the troops back to the states while the details are worked out". In other words, fix the timetable for moving out of the current targets speedbumps bases, and let the move-in date slip as required.
Uijeongbu? If I'm mispronouncing that transliterated name correctly, isn't there a MASH unit thereabouts?
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Uijeongbu is a pretty big military town, but as far as a MASH units goes, I'm not quite sure. Perhaps someone else could tell us?
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Marmot: sorry, my comment was a lost smiley situation -- in the U.S. TV show "MASH", the camp was supposed to be located in a place called (phonetically) "Wee-john-boo", which seemed a fair guess at how to pronounce "Uijeongbu".
The Internet is a *really* good way to make yourself feel parochial... :-)
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) suggested Tuesday that people who download copyright materials from the Internet should have their computers automatically destroyed. But Hatch himself is using unlicensed software on his official website, which presumably would qualify his computer to be smoked by the system he proposes. The senator's site makes extensive use of a JavaScript menu system developed by Milonic Solutions, a software company based in the United Kingdom. The copyright-protected code has not been licensed for use on Hatch's website. "It's an unlicensed copy," said Andy Woolley, who runs Milonic. "It's very unfortunate for him because of those comments he made." Hatch on Tuesday surprised a Senate hearing on copyright issues with the suggestion that technology should be developed to remotely destroy the computers of people who illegally download music from the Net.
On Wednesday, Hatch clarified his comments, but stuck by the original idea. "I do not favor extreme remedies -- unless no moderate remedies can be found," he said in a statement. "I asked the interested industries to help us find those moderate remedies." Just as well. Because if Hatch's terminator system embraced software as well as music, his servers would be targeted for destruction.
Milonic Solutions' JavaScript code used on Hatch's website costs $900 for a site-wide license. It is free for personal or nonprofit use, which the senator likely qualifies for. However, the software's license stipulates that the user must register the software to receive a licensing code, and provide a link in the source code to Milonic's website. On Wednesday, the senator's site met none of Milonic's licensing terms. The site's source code (which can be seen by selecting Source under the View menu in Internet Explorer) had neither a link to Milonic's site nor a registration code. However, by Thursday afternoon Hatch's site had been updated to contain some of the requisite copyright information. An old version of the page can be seen by viewing Google's cache of the site.
"They're using our code," Woolley said Wednesday. "We've had no contact with them. They are in breach of our licensing terms." When contacted Thursday, Woolley said the company that maintains the senator's site had e-mailed Milonic to begin the registration process. Woolley said the code added to Hatch's site after the issue came to light met some -- but not all -- of Milonic's licensing requirements.
Before the site was updated, the source code on Hatch's site contained the line: "* i am the license for the menu (duh) *" Woolley said he had no idea where the line came from -- it has nothing to do with him, and he hadn't seen it on other websites that use his menu system. "It looks like it's trying to cover something up, as though they got a license," he said. A spokesman in Hatch's office on Wednesday responded, "That's ironic" before declining to put Wired News in contact with the site's webmaster. He deferred comment on the senator's statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee, which did not return calls.
The apparent violation was discovered by Laurence Simon, an unemployed system administrator from Houston, who was poking around Hatch's site after becoming outraged by his comments. Milonic's Woolley said the senator's unlicensed use of his software was just "the tip of the iceberg." He said he knows of at least two other senators using unlicensed copies of his software, and many big companies. Continental Airlines, for example, one of the largest airlines in the United States, uses Woolley's system throughout its Continental.com website. Woolley said the airline has not paid for the software. Worse, the copyright notices in the source code have been removed. "That really pisses me off," he said. A spokesman for Continental said the airline would look into the matter.
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I don't care what you say, I actually like the idea of exploding computers when you download illegal MP3s. Should be done for nudy pictures too. Intel should be forced by law to include tiny amounts of C4 embedded in every processor they produce. Microsoft Windows should be forced to black-out any material you shouldn't be seeing on the web. Best of all, before you are allowed to logon to any computer, you should be forced to get Hatch's permission first. That will resolve any controversies about the Internet forever.
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No matter how much gold they put in these pols personal bank account, while it can influence voters, it can not sub for a vote. How many young adults vote in your damn state Orrin? Give'em a reason to show up at the poles come next election, idiot. And by the way, maybe we'd respect copyright if you didn't sale the public domain to the industry, moving the period of copyright from 28 years to a hundred. You and your fellow corrupt cronies on both sides of the political divide sold our rights for gold, you old bastards.
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I think they prefer good old greenbacks. Gold is heavy and you have to change it before paying the laundry bill. :-)
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I don't care what you say, I actually like the idea of exploding computers when you download illegal MP3s. Should be done for nudy pictures too. Intel should be forced by law to include tiny amounts of C4 embedded in every processor they produce. Microsoft Windows should be forced to black-out any material you shouldn't be seeing on the web. Best of all, before you are allowed to logon to any computer, you should be forced to get Hatch's permission first. That will resolve any controversies about the Internet forever.
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Of course to do the above would be prohibitively expensive, so I propose that computers should simply be banned altogether. 10 years minimum for being caught with a computer. No parole.
Fred could continue his Rantburg work via a newsletter, with us mailing-in our comments. I see no need for computers.
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No matter how much gold they put in these pols personal bank account, while it can influence voters, it can not sub for a vote. How many young adults vote in your damn state Orrin? Give'em a reason to show up at the poles come next election, idiot. And by the way, maybe we'd respect copyright if you didn't sale the public domain to the industry, moving the period of copyright from 28 years to a hundred. You and your fellow corrupt cronies on both sides of the political divide sold our rights for gold, you old bastards.
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I think they prefer good old greenbacks. Gold is heavy and you have to change it before paying the laundry bill. :-)
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Boy howdy, is Orrin gonna get an edumacation. He's seriously pissed off folks it's best not to annoy if you like your bank account to stay in one bank, your drivers license to remain valid, etc. etc.
Should be fairly amusing. "Can you explain how all these child molestation convictions got on your record, Senator?"
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Orrin Hatch -- Software Pirate & Pornographer?:
If you go to the Explore Utah section of Orrin Hatch's website and click on the myUtahsearch.com button, you get forwarded to a porn page.
Has Hatch been hacked or is a staffer playing a little prank on him? In any case, I don't mind seeing him get embarassed -- again. Let's see how long it takes for Hatch to get that taken off of his page...
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I was not joking the other day when I quoted Bugs Bunny:
"Of course you know, this means war!"
It is now coming to pass.
And Lo, the Hackers were awakened from their nightmares, and Hatched a vile plan to place a pox upon those who threaten plague toward the hackers and their kinsmen, and He smiled and was amused by the hullabaloo created by such mere mortals.
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A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.
