MOSCOW (AFP) - Russian scientists claim to have discovered the wreck of an alien device at the site of an unexplained explosion in Siberia almost a hundred years ago, the Interfax news agency reported.
The scientists, who belong to the Tunguska space phenomenon public state fund, said they found the remains of an extra-terrestrial device that allegedly crashed near the Tunguska river in Siberia in 1908.
They also claim to have discovered a 50-kilogram (110-pound) rock which they have sent to the Siberian city of Krasnoyarsk for analysis.
The Tunguska blast, in a desolate part of Siberia, remains one of the 20th centuryâs biggest scientific mysteries.
On June 30, 1908, what is widely believed to be a meteorite exploded a few kilometers above the Tunguska river, in a blast that was felt hundreds of kilometers (miles) away and devastated over 2,000 square kilometers of Siberian forest.
But the exact nature of the body that exploded and its origin remain a mystery which has spurred countless theories and controversies.
Hey, Interfax and AFP. What better sources could you want?
LLL DUper mode (mainstream): "The timing here is veeeerrrry suspicious. Bush and Putin have obviously concocted this weird tale to divert attention from the ever-increasing collapse of the economy, the worsening plight of the homeless, and the continued resistance by Muslim freedom fighter/heroes in Iraq, Chechnya, and Detroit Palestine."
LLL lunatic fringe/doper mode: No doubt these benign visitors were lured to their deaths in a diabolical experiment conducted by young Prescott Bush before he gave up his mad scientist ambition to become a banker.
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) - Hurricane Charley zeroed in on Florida's west coast Friday as a major Category 3 storm packing 125 mph winds. State officials urged almost 2 million tourists and residents to evacuate as this city's downtown and neighboring areas could be submerged under water pushing ashore.
Current estimated landfall around 4PM EST. Storm surge 16 feet.
Charley strengthened to a major hurricane with winds estimated at 125 mph at its core, said Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center in Miami. The projected track moved slightly to the south, indicating the eye could hit in the Sarasota-Charlotte county area, south of the more heavily populated Tampa Bay area, meteorologist Daniel Brown said.
ALERT! ALERT! STORM TO BE UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE WITHIN THE HOUR... WINDS CLOCKED BY PLANE AT 10,000 FT: 165 MPH... GROUND WINDS HIT 145 MPH... MORE...
Duck and cover, people. Stay safe.
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Looks like Port Charlotte - Ft. Meyers, est surge 18 feet.
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Inland surge behind Sanibel likely to be around 8 feet... but that's plenty.
I hope Lee county wasn't caught flat footed... I think the wind brains were pointig to a land fall near Cedar Key.
Be safe... the good news is that the shelling is going to be awesome.
CENTCOM HQ is located at MacDill AFB. Which is on a small peninsula that sticks out into eastern Tampa bay, and is surrounded by water on 3 sides. And from when I was there, I don't remember much terrain there that was more than 10 ft above sea level.
CARACAS, Venezuela, Aug 13, 2004 (The Canadian Press via COMTEX) -- If President Hugo Chavez loses a bitterly contested weekend recall referendum on his rule, one of the biggest challenges for the opposition would be to stabilize labour relations within Venezuela's government-run oil company.
An opposition government would have to work with Chavez loyalists currently running Petroleos de Venezuela, known as PDVSA, while appeasing almost 19,000 employees fired last year for participating in a crippling strike - many of whom have poured their energies into the recall effort and are desperate to get their jobs back.
The situation in the world's No. 5 oil exporter could further upset global markets, where prices are already soaring to record highs of more than $46 a barrel.
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.com, like Venezuela's constitution, Chavez has made changes to PDVSA that will be difficult to reverse. Currently funds from PDVSA no longer go into the Central Bank they go directly into Chavez's Castro-inspired social spending programs.
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Well, if they have the will to get rid of him, I will assume they will also work to reverse most or all of his machinations. I wish Anon4617 would visit, she has substantial insight she could offer - especially about the people and the mood. I guess we'll know in about 48 hours what the general direction will be. I'm sure it will be much longer, though, before the dust has settled.
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I hope she isn't down there in the middle of that mess. I get the feeling that Chavez expects to get recalled and intends to win the election itself. He has made the opposition work so hard to get to this point that it will make it interesting to see whether he has galvanized them into a block with enough cohesion to defeat him in the election. If he is ousted, the following presidency will be critical. A Latin American Gerald Ford is not what they need.
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The Voice Of the Martyrs, an international Christian human rights watchdog, urged China yesterday to release over 100 house church leaders who it said were rounded up last week by security forces as part of an ongoing government-led crack down on evangelical Christians. "We encourage Christians to write to the Chinese embassy in their respective country protesting this action against their citizens," the third such police operation within two months, said VOM, which has close ties with persecuted believers.
Despite fresh reports of persecution of Christians as well as other religious groups and minorities, Australia rejected a bid by an influential Chinese academic and dissident for political asylum, news media said July 11. United Press International said Zhao Jing, who slipped away from a tour group in Sydney with a colleague on July 21, believes her application was rejected "under pressure from Beijing" as the two countries are currently discussing a free trade deal. Zhao was quoted as saying she faces "up to 10 years in jail" if she returns to China for her role in helping distribute books about Chinese persecution of Mongolian and Tibetan minorities in the country. They were written by her colleague and law professor Yuan Hong-bing, who is waiting for a decision on his case.
Similar tough prison sentences were expected for the house church leaders who were arrested Friday, August 6, in Kaifeng City, Henan Province, reported the U.S.-based China Aid Organization (CAA), another Christian human rights group. They reportedly gathered for a meeting of encouragement at a gathering sponsored by a Henan House Church when suddenly "200 military police, Public Security Bureau and other officers" arrived at the scene "in about 20 police and military vehicles along with six minibuses." Rest at link
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During the last several months, there have been numerous hints in the Chinese and Taiwanese media indicating that war is more likely than believed here in the West. Some strategists suggest that the 2008 Olympics scheduled for Beijing constitute a key benchmark, after which a war may be possible. However, it is clear that both nations are preparing for a conflict in the near term, and that 2008 may not be as pivotal as some experts believe.
In fact, China's media have been repeating the mantra in their news reports that the People's Liberation Army is preparing to gain a victory in this "internal military conflict in a high-tech environment." Chinese war planners have studied carefully the recent U.S.-Iraq War, a war that demonstrated to PLA strategists that U.S. military might is derived from its technological superiority. China's military experts conducted similar studies after America's first Gulf War. One military study written by two Chinese colonels entitled "Unrestricted Warfare" suggested that China could not compete with America's technological prowess. Instead, China had to develop "asymmetrical" warfare to defeat the U.S. in any conflict. Interestingly, "Unrestricted Warfare" became an instant best seller in China after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. In the 1998 book, the Chinese colonels suggested that a successful bombing by Osama bin Laden of the World Trade Center would be an example of this new "unrestricted warfare" concept. Apparently, China feels much better positioned after the recent Iraq War and wants to challenge the U.S. on a technological level. Rest at link
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The Peking Olympics? Hell I'm prepared to got to war with China right after the Miami-FSU game.
No check that. Let's wait till after the World Series.
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Those Chinese - so poor at queueing! Don't they see Iran and North Korea are at the head of the line? Half the Middle East think they've got what it takes to whack the Great Satan - you can't just push to the front 'cos your bigger. Why the impatience to get their butts kicked, anyway?
"In the 1998 book, the Chinese colonels suggested that a successful bombing by Osama bin Laden of the World Trade Center would be an example of this new "unrestricted warfare" concept."
...Apparently ignoring the fact that militarily 9/11 was no worse than a flea-bite. Chinese agents trying the same sort of stunts would incur the wrath of an unaffected American military. Chinese technology would be returned to a state that would make the Chin era look futuristic. What ankle-biting wankers.
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Bulldog: Don't they see Iran and North Korea are at the head of the line?
Actually, Iran and North Korea are Chinese surrogates. North Korean ballistic missile and nuclear technology are of Chinese origin, as was confirmed during Libya's show-and-tell sessions after Gaddafi finally threw in the towel on his WMD program. China is using North Korea as a cut-out (or middleman) to proliferate technologies among America's enemies, on the assumption that the cut-out will be attacked, rather than China directly, if the US is targeted using those weapons. I think it's an extremely destabilizing strategy, but Washington's legalistic approach to these things may validate China's approach. My view is that if a Chinese-designed nuke goes off on US soil, we should nuke China's nuclear weapons and military bases, which can be done with missile subs lurking off the Chinese coast. Wiping out some of China's largest cities might also be on the agenda, depending on the body count at home. America's enemies must be convinced that they will be annihilated if future attacks of this nature are to be prevented.
well i suppose everythings relative, and i'll forgive that in light of your living in the country that experienced the blitz. But id have to say that 9/11 was significant as a piece of strategic bombing. Direct effects - it took out a very large chunk of Manhattans office space, and disrupted the operations of a good chunk of the NY financial community for several days, as well as closing the Holland tunnel, the PATH train and several "tube" stations and lines, effectively disrupting lower manhattan transportation for months.
Indirectly, it led to the shutdown of the North American air space for several days, led to the closure of the NYSE for several days, and led to disruption to the economic life of lower Manhattan for months.
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LH: But militarily as a sucker-punch, it achieved nothing beyond a few casualties at, and evacuation of, the Pentagon. Beyond momentary shock, US military was in a perfect state to initiate reprisals. That's what I mean. Chinese attacks on city centre offices, even a large number, wouldn't come close to neutralising America as an enemy. So the theory that such "unrestricted warfare", or rather restricted to relatively inconsequential targets warfare, is just plain stupid.
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Agree with LH, caveat tho, in that materially it was less that a flea bite. If the same sort of attacks had been continued the brain shock would have worn out quickly and the anger would have lead to an increase in the GDP...
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but bulldog, thats the nature of strategic bombing, its cumulative, and synergistic. I dont know what the hell the Chinese mean when they take 9/11 as a tactical model - use of terror - undercover tactics, or what. Surely they dont mean strategic bombing confined to office buildings? Certainly this was the most devastating single attack on US domestic economic infrastructure since the war of 1812 - the Uboats attacking coastal shipping during WW2 may have been CUMULATIVELY more damaging, but not in any one day.
Presumably this means that combined with a conventional war in the Formosa Straights, they would use undercover means to attack select targets in the US. I could think of several that would have been as easy to hit as the WTC, but would more directly bear on US warmaking ability in the Pacific - though again none would be decisive by themselves, they could be important to a war in the straights that was otherwise a "near" thing.
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First, bombing office buildings is not what military folks define as strategic bombing. That falls under the category of terror bombing or civilian demoralization. Coventry was not strategic bombing, and neither was 9/11.
Second, reading the article, it states clearly that the authors pointed to 9/11 as an example of "unrestricted warfare." No kidding. Also, the Chinese have a not-so-little dam on a not-so-little river. They don't want to go playing "whack-a-civilian" casually.
Third, the Chinese military (and the North Koreans) engage in this bellicose verbosity periodically. It must be a face saving thing.
Fourth, any naval plan that relies upon Soviet-era Sovremenny destroyers and Kilo(!) class submarines to establish supremacy at sea is seriously flawed.
Fifth, talk of asymmetric warfare is fine, and we must perpetually be on our guard against complacency and overconfidence, but there are no shortcuts in nature. As many will recall, during the '70s, the Soviets thought they had the answer to U.S. carriers: they built hundreds and hundreds of Osa missile boats. Small, superfast and lugging around a couple of those massive, supersonic anti-ship missiles that we just used to dread. Third World countries bought them wholesale. Here's how you keep the Great Satan at bay on the cheap. As it turns out, in any sort of sea state, that superfast Osa turned into a tooth-rattling nightmare which rapidly broke down into a pile of junk.
Finally, all this talk of modernizing the Chinese forces is great, but is the Chinese leadership ready to see an officer corps imbued with independent thinking, a willingness to exercise initiative, and the ability to delegate decision making? I didn't think so. And individual initiative is the true hallmark of a professional fighting force.
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LH: I dont know what the hell the Chinese mean when they take 9/11 as a tactical model - use of terror - undercover tactics, or what.
What they mean is covertly supplying terrorists via third parties. By supplying known terrorist sponsors with ballistic missile and nuclear technology, they are able to strike at Uncle Sam without the blame being directly attributable to them. The motto seems to be: : "let a hundred well-armed terror organizations bloom".
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Asymmetrical warfare works in both directions. China should not forget that just like Egypt it has one of the juiciest targets on the planet. That being a little dam called 3-Gorges! Taiwan has aready threatened to take it out if they stage such an attack on Taiwan. The PRC responded by calling Taiwan pirates.
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What a great point 3dc. Japan has a dog in this fight too.
My hope is that China's "growing expectations" by it's population, will some day temper their xenophobic ways. Thats what it will take Dreadnought in regards to your 'spot on' remark about their general staff. They could keep a tight ship as long as the population is cowed and poor. But with their expanding economy, well, welcome to the party folks.
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First, bombing office buildings is not what military folks define as strategic bombing.
In the case of Govt office buildings in Belgrade and Baghdad it was. If taking out an office building affects your opponents ability to wage war it is. Whether it violates the laws of war or not is another matter - thats not what im addressing. But disrupting the US financial sector is, I think, of strategic value to AQ - though their failure of follow up denied them the synergistic effects that would have made it really matter. Breaking down a 21st c, 1st world economy is NOT a matter of taking down factories, for the most part. This isnt 1943.
From the point of view of China, attacking the financial sector probably wouldnt work, as it would take to long to affect US war fighting ability that way. Again, there are other targets, that could be of greater importance to them.
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LH: From the point of view of China, attacking the financial sector probably wouldnt work, as it would take to long to affect US war fighting ability that way. Again, there are other targets, that could be of greater importance to them.
I think you're missing the point. Chinese strategy is reliant on no single element, just as US military strategy does not rely on submarines, aircraft carriers or ballistic missiles individually. Supplying weapons to terrorists via third parties is part of the Chinese strategy - so is ratcheting up weapons acquisitions so that the amounts are now in the tens of billions on an annual basis. As is improving the training provided to Chinese troops.
Note that individual initiative isn't something unique to the US military - much of the push for this came from the lessons from American encounters with the Wehrmacht, which fought well despite material and manpower deficiencies. (The concept of a strong NCO corps comes from the German army - all of my ROTC buddies spent a lot of time studying the Wehrmacht's operations). The Arab notion of perpetual internecine warfare among the major players in the the government is pretty foreign to China and other Oriental states, which prize unity above all - which are closer to Nazi Germany in their notions of unity and nationhood. This is why individual initiative should be a relatively safe concept in the hands of Chinese troops.* Do not assume that the Chinese are automatons. They suffered great casualties during the Korean War in spite of their skilled fieldcraft because fieldcraft alone cannot overcome skilled and alert opponents. You need artillery and air cover to finish the job. The Chinese died by the hundreds of thousands in human wave charges not because they lacked initiative or were unskilled, but because there was no other way to cover the last few hundred yards of open ground with the mortars and burp guns they had.
* Arab governments deliberately hobble their militaries and discourage inter-service cooperation because they are afraid of military coups. The Chinese military is more like the Imperial Japanese military during WWII. I doubt loyalty will be a problem.
Normally I'm with you, but I think you are offbase on the Chinese government's willingness to hand their generals increased authority. The German army of WW2 was a gift the Nazis inherited, and Hitler was constantly looking over his shoulder, worried about their loyalty, hence the creation of the SS and its eventual transition to a privileged field force. I don't believe the Imperial Japanese Army can be used as a model for the PLA because Japan was essentially a militarist society, Meiji notwithstanding.
Nowhere did I state that Chinese are automatons. In fact the problem with most militaries is not the programming: it's the lack of programming. Lower level troops simply aren't trusted with training and information, so when crunch time comes, they can't act because they have no information on which to base judgments.
I think the historical fear of warlords running amok will force the Chinese into the same old situation (just like the old Soviet regime): generals will continue to be picked for political reliability above military competence, which is a heavy drag on reform.
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Normally I'm with you, but I think you are offbase on the Chinese government's willingness to hand their generals increased authority. The German army of WW2 was a gift the Nazis inherited, and Hitler was constantly looking over his shoulder, worried about their loyalty, hence the creation of the SS and its eventual transition to a privileged field force.
Actually, the SS was created first as a complement to and then later as a bulwark against the growing power of the SA. It wasn't until around 1935 or so, well after the NSDAP took power that the SS began to morf into a military force and even then it was split into the SS and the Waffen SS.
And even so, the Waffen SS was considered so powerful at the battalion level and higher because many of the senior officers, Colonel and higher were old Imperlia German Army retirees brought out to lead these new formations.
And the SS officer corps weren't all to a man loyal to Hitler, witness General Paul Hausser in March of 1943, commander of the I SS Panzer Korps in its operations against the Soviet 'Operation Star'; how he pissed off Hitler by making some militarily conherent mauevers against the Red Army.
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I'm reading between the lines and finding this report very intersting if true. If true I take it to mean the PRC is afraid anti-missile defenses will work and their nuclear arsenal will be nullified so they have to move quickly ready or not.
Assemetrical warfare that could work for China. (a) The PRC already works with many of the South China Seas pirates from what I understand (at least their ports are used to repaint stolen vessels and shadow ships*). It wouldn't be too hard for the PRC to have agents provide shipping information to pirates to target and cripple the Taiwan economy. (b) China could arrange strikes to close down the Panama canal and tie up shipping. (c) China could arrange for a series of denial of service attacks or cyberattacks on the Taiwan power grid to harrass and hinder the Taiwan economy. (d) The PRC could arrange for agents to blow stuff up in Taiwan and blame it on Al Queda. (e) The PRC could also have naval exercises in the area around Taiwan to frighten off and harrass shipping. An informal blockade with some built in deniability. If this was done off and on over a period of years it could screw with the Taiwan economy pretty bad and they might capitulate somewhat. It might have the effect of forcing the US out of the region to avoid prematurely sparking a conflict while we're busy elsewhere.
All of this skirts the line, could be blamed on non-government groups (except the blockade), it would be economically painful, but it would not provide enough of an excuse for the US to go to War over.
* A stolen vessel is when you get a pirate crew to sign on and pretend to be crewmembers, then at the right time they take over the ship. A shadow ship is when a pirate ships pretends to be legit and takes on cargo, then disappears with the cargo. Generally they reappear under a different name in a different port.
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I think you're missing the point. Chinese strategy is reliant on no single element, just as US military strategy does not rely on submarines, aircraft carriers or ballistic missiles individually. Supplying weapons to terrorists via third parties is part of the Chinese strategy - so is ratcheting up weapons acquisitions so that the amounts are now in the tens of billions on an annual basis. As is improving the training provided to Chinese troops.
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dreadnought: Lower level troops simply aren't trusted with training and information, so when crunch time comes, they can't act because they have no information on which to base judgments.
Re information - the Chinese have a real problem with disseminating bad news. I think they view admissions of setbacks as too humiliating to face up to. This is why the Chinese, to this day, will admit to just over 100,000 dead during the Korean War, when American estimates are around 1 million. (In contrast, US estimates of enemy KIA during WWII and Vietnam were corroborated by the enemy. The Chinese commenters haunting various discussion boards apparently believe that the harsh punishments meted out for lying helped produce the truth - the reality is that soldiers who reported the actual losses were probably executed for "spreading counter-revolutionary propaganda"*). I think this Chinese distaste for unpleasant truths will help the US in any future confrontation.
Another Chinese weakness has to do with human resources. My experience with Chinese workers is that they are lackadaisical. Very lackadaisical. And this is the cream of the crop - recruited via above-market wages by the multinational firms in the booming coastal cities of China. If we extrapolate their (lack of) enthusiasm to the troops of the PLA, I suspect there is an even lower level of both competence and initiative in the Chinese military. Where the troops in Korea represented the cream of Chinese society, today's PLA represents the dregs - someone with a high school diploma makes about 700 yuan per month in the private sector, but only about 100-150 yuan in the military. The question for the Chinese military is whether - even if they have the werewithal to train up their people - they have recruits of sufficient caliber to absorb the training, given the competition for human resources with the much better-paid private sector.
* Communist officials who reported dismal production numbers during the disastrous famines of the Mao-engineered Great Leap Forward were executed for counter-revolutionary activity. Other officials fell into line by reporting production numbers well over the actual amounts, meaning that entire harvests were confiscated, leaving the peasants nothing to eat but tree bark, grass and vermin.
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Zhyang Fei: These comments fit with a crazy idea I had. I wondered if Bin Laden was not the equivlant of Meyer Lansky (Murder Inc) and Jim Jones (Jamestown) together. Sort of a for hire terrorist with lots of duped belivers who will do whaterver he says God says to do. Perfect killers/terrorists with no idea that its a for profit Murder Inc.
Under that scenario China and Saddam and Iran and France and whatever letting contracts to him makes sense.
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3dc: These comments fit with a crazy idea I had. I wondered if Bin Laden was not the equivlant of Meyer Lansky (Murder Inc) and Jim Jones (Jamestown) together. Sort of a for hire terrorist with lots of duped belivers who will do whaterver he says God says to do. Perfect killers/terrorists with no idea that its a for profit Murder Inc.
I doubt it - China can't really communicate with him without us finding out. We might not know what they talked about, but we'd know that they had talked. No, China's game is a lot more subtle than that - it's to arm anti-American terrorists via third countries that are known to use terrorism as a political lever - countries like Iran, Syria and Libya.
Secretary of State Colin Powell said Japan must consider revising its pacifist constitution if it wanted to become a permanent member of the U.N. Security Council, Kyodo news agency reported on Friday. Article Nine of Japan's postwar, U.S.-drafted constitution, renounces the right to go to war and forbids a military, although it is interpreted as permitting forces for self-defense. "If Japan is going to play a full role on the world stage and become a full active participating member of the Security Council, and have the kind of obligations that it would pick up as a member of the Security Council, Article Nine would have to be examined in that light," Kyodo quoted Powell as saying. "But whether or not Article Nine should be modified or changed is absolutely and entirely up to the Japanese people to decide because the United States would not presume an opinion," he added in an interview with Japanese media in Washington on Thursday.
Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage told a lawmaker for Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's ruling party last month that Japan must revise the constitution and play a greater military role for international peace if it wanted a permanent seat on the Security Council, Japanese media have reported. Both the ruling Liberal Democratic Party and the opposition Democratic Party are working on proposals to revise the constitution, but many ordinary citizens and lawmakers are opposed. A Mainichi Shimbun newspaper poll published in May showed that 78 percent of Japanese lawmakers were in favor of making some changes to the document but 70 percent were against changing Article Nine.
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All the permanent pacifist seats on the UNSC are taken.
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The OECD blames the unwillingness of Europeans to work as the principal reason for the lower output per worker and their lower standard of living compared with Americans.
No shit, Sherlock!
But since they're more nuanced than we dumb Americans are, they're obviously right. /sarcasm
They're nuanced, but we're better off. Heh.
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Ha! I have a fine Nuance coat! All you have is a white EMT uniform which is not affecting anyone in the RB audience at all except for a few people who I wont't name but have a lot of traffic at amble.com you know who you are so lets not talk about the sleek white linen
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EuroKen - Ah, there you are... you're like a lost puppy and can't be allowed to wander alone, but not to worry, I found your friends. Oh, almost forgot, I found your girlfriend too - you can have her back now. When she comes to, tell her she was great.
It's not about what he does. snip
September 11 cooled the furor of these aristocratic critics, but Iraq re-ignited it. Not voting for George Bush is, of course understandable and millions in fact will do precisely that. But for those haters who demonize the man, their knee-jerk disgust tells us far more about their own shallow characters than it does anything about our wartime president.
And there is a great danger in all these manifestations of pure hatred. We are in a war. And in these tumultuous days, the Left's unhinged odium will resonate with and embolden not only our enemies abroad, but also the deranged, dangerous folk here at home.
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God Bless VDH
Heâs hit the nail on the head here. Heâs exposed whatâs behind the curtain of our looney left. Their âelite nessâ is nothing more than cynicism. If I think you are stupid, then I need prove nothing of myself to say that I am smarter than you.
I think VDH misses one point that needs to be brought to the fore. The mob. The mob controls Massachusetts, publishing, unions, Hollywood, drugs and loves socialism for the big pots of money âNew Dealsâ make available. Oil for Food, AIDS, and humanitarian assistance, Big Digs, and welfare are all easy pickings.
We need to recognize the force behind the current propaganda from the Democratic party and it is the mob.
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I'd feel a lot better if the Democrats policies were driven by anyone as sensible as the Mob. The reality is much more scary.
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Tin Foil? Oh really? What part of my comment do you disagree with? That the mob controls publishing? Hollywood? Unions? drugs? or embraces socialism?
Quiz for Mr. Smarty Pants: Who said, âThe fist thing we have to do is remind ourselves that we are fighting for socialism? Who is Andy Stern, Gerald McEntee, and Brenda Stokeley and what is their position on advancing socialism? What is DNC financier Bingâs relationship to a confessed and convicted mob thug?
You donât know do you? So STFU.
Union connections to the mob and union connections to the DNC and union commitment to socialism are well documented in Betrayal by Linda Chavez as well as a gazillion other sources. That publishing, Hollywood, unions and dugs are all mob controlled is of such common knowledge that, if you deny it, itâs pretty obvious that you donât know what you are talking about.
But go ahead and stick your head in the sand. If you believe that then we can all believe that itâs âtin-foilâ to think that the Religious Right supports GW.
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Dude, RELAX.
It's Friday. And it was a joke.
BADA-BING! :D
Andrew Antippas served as a Foreign Service officer in the U.S. Embassy in Saigon (March 1968 to February 1970) as the "Cambodia Man" and at the U.S. Embassy in Phnom Penh, Cambodia (1970 to 1972). He spent 32 years with the State Department (1960-92).
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I was startled to read the Aug. 10 issue of the editorial page of The Washington Times concerning the assertion attributed to Sen. John Kerry that he had spent Christmas 1968 aboard his swift boat some five miles inside Cambodia and had been shot at by our Vietnamese allies, as well as the Khmer Rouge.
I would like to offer some insights and some background about the subject of Cambodia as it related to the U.S. war effort in Vietnam in that period. I served as a Foreign Service officer in the American embassy in Saigon from March 1968 to February 1970 and subsequently at the American embassy in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, from 1970 to 1972.
My job in the political section of our embassy in Saigon was to be the "Cambodia Man." My principal tasks were to follow border incidents involving U.S. forces along the Cambodian border. I worked as a liaison with U.S. forces, wrote reports to Washington, followed the intelligence about Communist use of Cambodia and, given that we did not have an embassy in Phnon Penh at that time, maintained contact with the Australian embassies in Saigon and Phnom Penh because the Australians were the U.S. protecting power in Cambodia.
I also worked with the International Control Commission (ICC) in Saigon and Phnom Penh.
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What's significant is that this guy pointed out that the Khmer Rouge didn't start shooting at anyone until 1972.
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Hard to know when you're in a fetal position on the deck, no?
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As U.S. forces in 1966 and 1967 progressively pushed the Vietnamese Communists farther and farther away from Vietnamese population centers, U.S. commanders sought permission for "hot pursuit" operations against Communist forces attacking from Cambodian territory. This always was denied, much to the military's frustration.
The Cambodians patrolled the crossing border points on the Bassac and Mekong Rivers and had fortifications above the frontier. In mid-1968, just before Adm. Zumwalt took over, a U.S. Army LCM landing craft sailing north on the Mekong River â loaded with lubricants, gas, rations, beer and a forklift, as well as a number of U.S. soldiers â missed the turn from the Mekong River to the Bassac River (the two main north-south rivers that flow through the Mekong Delta) in order to reach its destination on the southern portion of the Bassac. Apparently the troops were somewhat bemused from the heat and the beer consumed and sailed right up into Cambodia, where they were halted by a Cambodian patrol craft and taken to the frontier base and then up to Phnom Penh. Gen. Creighton Abrams, newly in command, was furious, and Adm. Zumwalt's predecessor was nonplussed, blurting out that it wasn't one of his boats.
Gen. Abrams snarled, "Yeah, it was one of mine and why did they do it?" We got the crew and LCM back eventually, but that was the only river incident involving the Cambodian border or Navy actions inside Cambodia to my recollection.
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Maybe only Kerry's swiftboat was chosen for the operation secretly because the spooks thought that a guy packing his own Super 8 and shooting without orders in formation was a good security risk.
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"Democratic spokesman Lanny Davis ripped the book as "unvarnished lies straight from Santa's North Pole sleaze workshop, dictated to a cabal of unhinged losers who represent a only a tiny majority of John Kerry's beloved Band of Brothers."
To the other "ed" : The problem is; Lanny Davis could actually say something like this. Does that concern you?
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I'm surprised Larry didn't think GW was the old man. "You're president? When did that happen?"
Him and Mike Wallace ought to hook up and go harrass meter maids.
Frank G posted late yesterday, so this is follow-up, and hat-tip to Drudge.
TOUR OF DUTY author and John Kerry historian Winston Smith Doug Brinkley is rushing a piece for the NEW YORKER: to set-the-record-straight on Kerry's Christmas in Cambodia tale, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
Kerry has turned to author Brinkley for a "modification" after it was exposed that Kerry was not in Cambodia during Christmas of 1968, as he once claimed from the Senate floor. The Brinkley piece for the NEW YORKER will now say that Kerry was not in Cambodia during Christmas, but rather in January, publishing sources tell DRUDGE.
"'Who controls the past,controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'"
Since the early 1970s, Kerry has spoken and written of how he was illegally ordered to enter Cambodia. Kerry mentioned it in the floor of the Senate in 1986 when he charged that President Reagan's actions in Central America were leading the U.S. in another Vietnam. Here's what he said as excerpted from the new book, UNFIT FOR COMMAND: "I remember Christmas of 1968 sitting on a gunboat in Cambodia. I remember what it was like to be shot at by the Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge and Cambodians, and have the president of the United States telling the American people that I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared--seared--in me."
John O'Neil's, author of UNFIT FOR COMMAND, comments on the "clarification:" "John Kerry describes Christmas Eve in Cambodia as a critical turning point in his life. We now know that his story is completely false. My question is how many people do you know have invented a turning point, one that is seared in his memory? While it makes sense for John Kerry to come clean about the Cambodia story, it is one of several tales that the Kerry campaign will have to face and clarify."
"By claiming we were engaged in a war crime and crossing international borders, John Kerry damaged the credibility of all the commanding officers above him and insulted the sailors who served with him," said John O'Neill, member of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth."
I gotta say, I didn't think this was going to have any staying power, but the Kerry-ites are screwing the pooch big time.
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John Kerry describes Christmas Eve in Cambodia as a critical turning point in his life. We now know that his story is completely false. My question is how many people do you know have invented a turning point, one that is seared in his memory? ...
One wonders if his boat had a deck log.
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Col. Flagg ripped out the relevant pages.
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SH..good thought.
How does one confuse "Christmas" in a war zone for January? Answer: if they are lying or one beer short of a six pack. Either way you gotta worry.
Anyone following this who isn't a blind believer won't be convinced. Hey Dim's this guy isn't ready for prime time. You picked a lame mule/donkey/ja for a thoroughbred race. You gonna bet yours and your childrens future on this longshot?
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I was just thinking how stooopid Kerry is to do this. The loons could have been easily convinced that he really did spend Christmas in Cambodia on a super dooper secret black ops. As for the Nixon thing, they'd have thought, well, he was already elected, if not in office...so Kerry just got a little confused.
But now the true-believers don't even have that. Bwahhhaaaahhhaaaa!!
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This is a well worn tactic by the Kerryites. The move the issue from lying about being Christmas in Cambodia to the issue of whether it was Christmas or January? Very Clinton-like. Besides Gardner, the boat mate with Kerry for two months and attests that Kerry was not in Cambodia for Christmas, left Kerry in January.
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Coming soon: Valentine's Day in Cambodia.
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He gundecked this like he did his other actiosn there.
Fundamentally dishonest individual - right at the very core of his being trying to claim to be a Cahtolic yet working against the teaching of the Church. That tells me all I need to know about his moral character and courage (or lack thereof)
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Old Spook,I don't know about the lack of courage when he was 20. His gunslinger attitude seems consistent with the immortality complex I have seen in many young soldiers. His actions are as relayed by the commander of the boat missions he went on are inconsistent with a man who considers himself responsible for the lives of his crewmembers.
Bringing a camera to record the exploits is something I would expect out of a Boy Scout camp counselor.
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his Cambodia lie was ignored by the mainsteam media,
however, his reinvention of history will be done by the msm; suppose there are holes in the reinvention -- will the msm be able to ignore that
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Not lack of courage - he faced fire, so thats not a question.
Its a lack of MORAL courage. The courage to tell the truth and take the political fallout. The courage to stick to the issue and not smear those who question him.
Main for me, he fails most miserably on the most important question: his religion versus his political activities. He claims to be Catholic and apparently still presents himself for Communion, yet rejects the major tenets of the credo that he assents to as part of the mass.
Basically you cannot be Catholic and fail to oppose abortion. The Church teaches it is a great evil. And especially people of public stature must actively oppose it. Privately, you can pray for it, etc. But you cannot support it.
And the old "I dont want to impose my views on others" is a moral copout. If you truly believe its is an evil act, then to promote it or not oppose it is to encourage evil in the world. IF you were in 1930's Germany, saying "I think the anti-Jew laws are evil, but I don't want to impose my view on the Nazis", or "I beleive Slavery is an evil, but I will not oppose legislation that promotes it or enables it, and I will be sure to promote jusdges that let people choose to keep slaves".
Now look at all the so-called "Pro Choice" people who claim to be Catholic. The Church teaches that Abortion is evil. So either you oppose Abortion, or else you do not believe the Church has authority - in other words if you are pro choice, you MUST leave the CHurch.
And thats what pisses me off about Kerry - he is a moral coward - he does not have the courage to either obey the Church that holds his salvation, or publicly admit that he disagress and shoudl leave the Church over a moral issue, much as Martin Luther did.
Moral Coward. Proven.
And thats the kind of straddling, craven moral cowardice in the most important part of anyone's life: the fate of their soul. If he's that dishonest on the most important issues of life and death, then how can he be trusted on anything of a lesser degree?
Sorry, got off an a rant,but I am so tired of "pro choice" types liek Kerry and the Gay divorced govenor of New Jersey claiming to be "Catholic" when they quite clearly are not - and I'm pissed tha the press (and the Church!) never bothers to publicly question the hypocracy.
It demonstrates a long, continuous pattern of lies, shading and skating around truth - and a fundamental lack of ability to simply tell the truth if it is not politically advantageous.
This marks him as having a flawed and bad character, and most definitely Unfit For Command.
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I was never in Cambodia, that was all DIA and I'm not DIA nor CID. Okay yes, I ate the log. Tough. I mean really, really tough. Mum's the word or else I'll have to demonstrate the Mongolian Chest Implosion on one of you Burghers, if that's who you really are.
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John Kerry is not a great man. He's trying to puff himself via this and that story to 'seem' great. But it isn't authentic. It doesn't work. People will vote for him because he's "NotBush" and that's the only reason.
I still steadfastly refuse to believe that any swiftboat got anywhere near Cambodia. Perhaps he'll change his vessel for the Cambodia mission to something else next.
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apparently it wasn't "seared...seared!" in his memory. More like poached, or over-easy. What a lying asshole. Only problem with this is that it still doesn't fly, for all the reasons already noted. 'Screwing the pooch is right
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Someone should ask Kerry's crew where they were
on Christmas eve 1968. The time line of Kerry's Navy service shown on the Kerry-Edwards wed page: 12/24/68, Kerry involved in combat during the Christmas Eve truce of 1968. The truce was three minutes old when mortar fire exploded around Lieutenant Kerry and his five-man crew. Reacting swiftly, John Kerry and his crew silenced the machine gun nest. See how many of the crew besides Gardner remember that Kerry is lying when he says that this incident happened in Cambodia or even if it happened at all.The MSM will check that out, right? Didn't think so.
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Where's John Lovitz to induct Kerry into the Liars' Club and teach him how to say,
"Yeah! That's the ticket!...It was Christmas...no, wait, it was Mardi Gras 'cause that fascist Nixon had just been inaugurated and only a fascist like him would send us illegally into Cambodia!
And I saw Morgan Fairchild there, too...naked."
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#13 Sorry, got off a rant,... No need to apologize, OS, that's why we're all here. Besides, your views are are always appreciated.
Rant on, brother....
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New question. What is this I hear about a supposed crewmate of Kerry's that wasn't. He is supposedly campaigning with kerry, yet, this felllow was supposedly wounded before Kerry took charge of the particular swiftboat he was on and never returned to that duty. i.e. they weren't crewmates. Anybody?
JEEBUS H. CRIPES IN A BASKET!!!!!! Are we now supposed to believe that super-secret black missions in Cambodia were entrusted to an LtJG with exactly 2 months of experience in a Swift Boat??????? WTF!!!!???!!?!??!!
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John Kerry's parents never taught him this rhyme.
It help one remember which month is which.
30 days hath September. . .
April, June, and November. . .
I remember getting shot at by drunk South Vietnamese in January for no reason. This is when I got the lucky hat from the CIA er Navy Seal fellow because he wanted off fast because he didn't trust my piloting of the boat he had some clandestine mission to accomplish. Our cover was that I was a woefully inexperienced skipper of a type of boat not usually used. (NO) I was a politically-well-connected naval officer, so I got the assignment, that if I survived, I would be set for life, so I had an incentive. (NO) I was so good that I was the first one they thought of for such a mission.
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"My name is Kerry..... John Kerry.... Secret Agent Man...."
Agent 00-zero in my book. This person lied before congress (under oath) during his testimony (I dont think he is stupid enough to not know Winter Solder was a fraud). Now he lied about being in Cambodia.
The only question is my book is: Is he a pathological liar? Either way he has zero credibility with me.
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sKerry is a liar, a traitor, a golddigger, a gigolo, an America-hater, a Communist and perhaps even a war criminal.
And an arrogant, pompous ass, too!
That's why we hate him.
Does that work for you, "Gentle?"
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"The only question is my book is: Is he a pathological liar? Either way he has zero credibility with me."
The impression I have is not so much a "pathological liar" as an ordinary, garden-variety bullshitter, a teller of tall tales.
That, and the belief common among Democratic Party politicians lately that you can say just about ANYTHING and (1) people will believe it and (2) the press will cover for you.
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Unlike the Dingoes, you misunderstand hate for distrust.
1) Kerry is a first class liar.
He made up stories about Vietnam which people who served with him refute. The current Christmas or January in Cambodia incident is an example. He was never in Cambodia in 1968 or 1969. But he claims he delivered a CIA man there and the CIA man gave him a "lucky hat".
2) He is a person without a core. He will say what the audience at a campaign stop wants to hear. Acts pro-gun in front of hunters, though he wants to restrict hunting and gun ownership. (Based on his Senate voting record)
3) He is a phony. He goes to a hamburger place, acting like he's eating there, but eats little, and then goes back to the campaign train where a very fancy lunch awaits him.
4) He lacks manners. He snowboards into a bodyguard, then curses out and blames the bodyguard for the incident, rather then his own clumsiness. There very many witnesses to this.
This is beyond disagreeing with him politically, which I admit. This is a man you wouldn't trust to be your next-door neighbbor.
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He's a liar. Personally I detest liars. Technically I don't hate him. Just detest him for being false. He is the type of person who whould say anything, to anyone, to get elected. He is a moral coward.
For example he claims to support a strong defense but his entire senate record calls him a liar. For me actions (his record) speak louder then words -- and right now his record is screaming 'Liar!'.
His actions after he served in Vietnam bordered on treason. His testimony before congress back then was false. Its my opinion that he must have known that his testimony was based on a fraud -- he's a liar but not that stupid.
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we hate kerry because his actions have shown repeatedly that he does not love America, he only loves himself.
he's not just a liar, he worked with an organization that was against the Vietnam war, one the KBG admits to having had strong hand in.
that makes him either a traitor who allied with the enemy or an unwitting stooge. (and not just any enemy, the freaking USSR!)
I also do not see him as an american, americans are supposed to believe in the people. It's not just lies, it's also how poorly made the lies are, he has no respect for the people.
Then there's Kerry's record in people interactions, one of his more favored shouts is "Do You Know who _I_ AM? " to anyone who tries to prevent him from moving to the front of a long line at a restaurant some where.
then there is his congressional record. In theory Kerry is supposed to be serving our nation right now, But he is not in attendance and he is not voting, he has more or less said "Screw you guys! I'm gonna spend all my time running for president and I'm gonna keep taking your money while I'm at it! " to the state that elected him. An honorable man would have publicly recognized his priorities and resigned from his post so someone else could serve in his place
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I don't hate him, either. I strongly dislike him becuase he is a lying weasel. In taped testimony when he returned from Vietnam he said, "I am ashamed of what I did in Vietnam". Now, he says, "I am proud of my service in Vietnam. I defended my Country." I defended my Country but not for only 4 months and I didn't come home and lie about it for political reasons. I used to be a Democrat but I can't stomach the vile screeching erupting from them now. I want my Party back!!
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...his actions have shown repeatedly that he does not love America, he only loves himself.
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Gentle: another reason to hate Kerry Lt. Gov. Kerryâs executive order on behalf of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts read in part:
âWhereas the existing and potential strength of nuclear weapons is such that nuclear war can neither be won nor survived, it can only be prevented; and Whereas the only effective defense against the horrors of nuclear weapons lies in their elimination and in the prevention of nuclear war or attacks, [the Commonwealth of Massachusetts] shall seek to ensure the safety of its citizens by pursuit of policies reflecting a serious commitment to prevention of nuclear war.â
âSuch policies,â the Kerry directive continued, âshall include education of citizens concerning the real nature of nuclear war and efforts to influence national policy towards negotiation of an end to the nuclear-arms race.â
The Kerry order stated emphatically, however: âNo funds shall be expended by the Commonwealth for crisis relocation planning for nuclear war.â
Monica Conyngham, Lt. Gov. Kerryâs spokeswoman at the time, defended the controversial document, telling reporters, âWe believe that [evacuation] plans are absolutely futile and that there are no safehavens from nuclear war.â
Gov. Dukakis signed Kerryâs âno nuclear defenseâ executive order into law on June 28, 1984.
'nough said.
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Still, maybe 'hate' is strong a word - I think 'despise' is more accurate.
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Thanks, Shipman, I needed that. Puts things in perspective.
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I hadn't realized I was going to provoke such a long commentary, but it's been one of the most useful threads for me in a while: several of you have said, directly, what I've been trying to say to my gentle Democratic friends on why I cannot, will not vote for John Kerry. OldSpook and BigEd particularly have been succient and direct -- just the bullets I need for my argument. Thankee kindly good peoples ...
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BigEd...Check out Captainsquartersblog.com for the story on the crewmate that probably wasn't a crewmate.
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I don't hate Kerry, there's nothing there to hate. The man's a void. He's ALWAYS been a self-serving asshole, so why be surprised? I won't vote for him for ANY office, not even the choice slot of Boston Dogcatcher...
Kerry & Group from Swiftboat 94 2/28/69
No Alston above
Before Alston's Combat Wound suffered 1/27/69
Kerry was standing with the crew of 94. Even though someone else was comander of the boat?
The other 3 guys are in BOTH photos.
Can we ask them? Who are they?
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BigEd - Just FYI - you need to hit the tip jar for posting inline images. They hit the RB bandwidth - whereas links do not. I know it's fun, but...
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Anon6075 - When it's a link - the connection is directly to the image's hosting server. The same is true if you have this page displayed and do a right-click Save Image As on any image displayed.
But the page had to be built and transmitted to you, right? When you hit a server and request a page - an HTML document - it has to build the page and then serve it to you... Every time this article page is requested, the RB server must pull together all of the elements, including: hitting the DB to find and format all of the comments posted, going to get the inline image(s) [B/W in], construct the page, and then send to the requesting browser [B/W out]. It's not obvious, I admit.
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.com, are you sure that's the way it works? The source shows:
"IMG SRC=http://www.viet... .jpg>"
I believe that my browser reads the html page from rantburg, sees the "IMG SRC ...>" and pulls the image from the specified address.
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A6075 - Since RB uses ASP / PHP, I assumed that the script interpretation process to build the outgoing HTML would validate the elements, thus hitting the resource elements, but no it doesn't... the entire resources issue is left to the browser to solve and format. Sigh.
You're absolutely right - and I owe an apology to Big Ed.
I've been reading for about an hour thru the DOM Tree / Node formatting process - where are the tokens generated & validated, server or browser side, and it's browser side so it can use the cache and other considerations - details the server wouldn't know - and shouldn't care about. I do not know why I thought the ASP/PHP would perform validation - hell if I can remember now.
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So, we are merely stealing bandwidth from someone else! That's different! Do you all have attorneys? Do you have even CPAs? Are you aware that you cannot expense bandwith cost for your little hobby? That's what horses are for. Speaking of horses, the one know as .com do you plan to declare that Christmas pony as income? If not, why not? When? Call BR 549 and humbly request form PONY5566777 and we may cut you a break.
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That's a plus to her.
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One of Iran's best hopes for an Olympic medal will not be taking part in the Games after he refused to compete against an Israeli athlete. World judo champion Arash Miresmaili said he was proud to withdraw in solidarity with the Palestinians. Iran has a strict policy of sanctions against Israel and forbids any sort of contact with Israeli citizens. Mr Miresmaili had been expected to carry Iran's flag at the Olympic opening ceremony on Friday night. According to the draw at the Ano Liossia stadium, Miresmaili would have had to fight Ehud Vaks of Israel in the first round. An official from the Asian Judo Union confirmed Miresmaili would be withdrawn from the competition. Under international regulations, he may even be sent home. He better be sent home! Oh and at the link there is a picture of him kissing Mein Kampf the Koran
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I expect the Persian was afraid he would get his Islamic ass kicked by a Joooooooo.
And be killed when he got home (or before).
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Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. I will be cheering for he JOOOOOOOOO now. I hope he brings home the Gold. These muslims act like such children, they don't deserve SQUAT.
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Do you think he demanded the officials match him against another competitor before slouching off in a huff? You bet he did. This was probably part of an attempt to bend the will of the IoC (to accommodate anti-Semitism) as much as a "solidarity" strop. Time to make the Olympics adults-only?
The newly-formed Pakistan People's Party has vowed to continue its political support to President Pervez Musharraf in the greater interest of the country's economic and political stability.
Well, I'm confused...
How can they "continue" to support him if they're a newly-formed party ...
Speaking at a press conference at a local hotel on Wednesday, Defence Minister Rao Sikandar Iqbal said that the merger of PPP's splinter groups would give a new life to the followers of the late Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, who had set a new trend in politics and made the downtrodden people aware of their rights. Mr Rao, who was accompanied by Interior Minister Makhdoom Faisal Saleh Hayat, Water and Power Minister Aftab Ahmed Sherpao and Minister of State for Law and Parliamentary Affairs Raza Hayat Hiraj, said the PPP had decided to play a pragmatic and positive role to keep the democratic process on track.
But... But... But you can't do that! It makes sense! It's un-Pakistani!
"We are part of the government which has painted a new image of the country in the comity of nations. Now we are strong at home as well as on international fronts," he added. He lauded the efforts made by Gen Musharraf to steer the country out of the manifold crises, a result of 9/11, by siding with the international coalition against global terrorism. It was also a great achievement of President Musharaf that the country's economy had been put on sound footing, he added. Mr Sherpao, who is the president of the united PPP after the merger of Patriots and Sherpao groups, announced the names of PPP office-bearers for the NWFP.
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Oh... Paki Peoples Parti... fooey.
I was hoping it was a crowd inspired by a Piss Poor Protocol.
Fresh fighting erupted overnight in Georgia's separatist republic of South Ossetia, leaving at least three people dead and several wounded. The shootout, which followed a day of heavy artillery fire around the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali, is the most serious incident reported in the area since the election of Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili in January. This is also the first time in years that people are reported killed in military action in South Ossetia.
For residents in Tskhinvali and neighboring villages, it was a sleepless night. Gun and artillery fire reportedly began at two o'clock in the morning and lasted some seven hours. South Ossetian Information and Press Committee head Irina Gagloyeva claims 30 people -- both civilians and separatist security forces -- were wounded in Tskhinvali and nearby ethnic Ossetian villages during the shootout. But the heaviest casualties apparently occurred on the Georgian side. Tbilisi says three of its peacekeepers were killed and several other people wounded in the ethnic village of Tamarasheni and other nearby Georgian settlements. Tamaresheni is located several hundred meters north of Tskhinvali. None of these figures could be independently confirmed. As in previous incidents, both sides blame each other for opening fire first.
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