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oh brother - read the account in the book the secret War Against the Jews and you will get a very different account of what happened - take the storm trooper patch off your arm
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thanks Mike - look for the IP and name snatch, Mods?
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/30/2006 18:18 Comments ||
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When in the Navy I had a friend who was on the Liberty, he said that when the first wave of fighters came over the Mast at supersonic and climbed for an attack run the hostilities abruptly ceased, from wanting to sink them to "How can we help"
an abrupt change due simply to available firepower.
That the fighters were recalled is a fact found out much later, simply their presence ended the fight.
Posted by: Redneck Jim ||
07/30/2006 18:20 Comments ||
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nice pic from Jeff Rense's page:
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/30/2006 18:20 Comments ||
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History will show the US is backing the wrong horse. Our interest are USA, not some quasi-religious regime. Where in the constitution did Jefferson write we will arm a religious state to the teeth against our best interest. Our interest is to get the oil not alienate our allies with our energy source. Complete Stupidity!!!
Posted by: Mike oilman ||
07/30/2006 18:25 Comments ||
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By the way, he had smuggled pictures, I saw them.
Posted by: Redneck Jim ||
07/30/2006 18:27 Comments ||
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yep - love the W and Republican emblems.....guess he's a GOP voter?
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/30/2006 18:30 Comments ||
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Mike "the oilman's" wallet outsizes his soul. We support the only democracy in the mideast. I'd guess, that, not only is he not an "oilman", he's also not American in thought or deed....
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/30/2006 18:33 Comments ||
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Admiral Moorer's version is not accepted by any of the dozen official committees and task forces that have investigated the incident.
One of the key pieces of information is that on June 4, 67, Israel asked the US if they had anything in the eastern Med. The US said 'no'. The Liberty at the time was transiting the western med headding east and was in the eastern Med when it was attacked.
Fog of war. When in Second World War US invaded one of the Northern Islands in Pacific real fog appeared and in the end almost 100 US soldiers were dead in the fight. There werent any Japanese in the Island. Only Americans...
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Did I miss a meeting? I never got one of those sanppy uniforms to wear. Every time the LLL Mo0b@+ fever swamp thinks Israel is getting too much good press they dredge up the USS Liberty. Yes it was a terribe ACCIDENT, doesn't bring back the dead or quelch the flames of conspiracy but it is as simple as that. That is unless the moonbats can come up with a really good reason Israel would attack it's staunch ally on purpose? (crickets) It's just like a fratricide only it was our ship that got hit.
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Mike, you've been warned once before at least about using someone else's nym. There won't be a third warning.
Rantburg is for current news related to the War on Terror. Historical articles are appreciated when they're germane. Trolling isn't.
Maybe you'd be happier visiting another site? Try Democratic Underground. We're not big on conspiracy theories around here.
Posted by: Fred ||
07/30/2006 18:53 Comments ||
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The only thing that shocks me here is that it took a couple of weeks of Israel defending itself before somebody trotted out this conspiracy crap.
It was an accident, get over it you freaking wackos.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats ||
07/30/2006 18:55 Comments ||
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Oh Ye who bash Bush, faked pictures and all, the Head Honcho at the time was LBJ, a definate Democrat.
Spin that if you can.
Posted by: Redneck Jim ||
07/30/2006 19:01 Comments ||
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C'mon, folks, we ALL know there's never been an accident in the entire HISTORY of warfare! The only way something like this could happen is on purpose!!!
And, yeah, I'd bet that in this case, "oilman" means "Saudi whore".
Posted by: Robert Crawford ||
07/30/2006 19:16 Comments ||
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Yes, it is conspiracy crap.
BEWARE, the site www.rense.com which is writing this nonsense is a well-known antisemitic and negationist site. On its Frontpage, it is supporting Ernst Zundel, a negationist now on trial in Germany for denial of the Holocaust.
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we know - I posted that pic on purpose to show that...Jeesh. I'd hoped I wouldn't have to explain that...
Posted by: Frank G ||
07/30/2006 19:25 Comments ||
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hey i calledd it on his use of proper english was made out a fool that the 'OTHER' didn
't know it too well and was told engineers didn't know english
guess this honkey was right huh
Jefferson didn't write the constitution, Madison did. Just thought you'd like to know.
Posted by: The hoo ||
07/30/2006 20:41 Comments ||
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Uh...I'm confused. America Frist? Well we've had worse in Congress; at least he's a Repub and thoracic surgeon to boot. Keep up the great work #26 (Double Happy Hour over in 10 minutes)
Right On!
Asymmetrical Triangulation (at)
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07/30/2006 20:51 Comments ||
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Mike Oilman: History will show the US is backing the wrong horse. Our interest are USA, not some quasi-religious regime. Where in the constitution did Jefferson write we will arm a religious state to the teeth against our best interest. Our interest is to get the oil not alienate our allies with our energy source. Complete Stupidity!!!
I think you are putting your personal financial interests ahead of the national interest. Muslims killed hundreds of Americans prior to 9/11. For people who say that it's our fault for supplying Israel, we need to understand that is what countries do - they support their allies and fight their enemies. Allies include countries that don't deliberately attack them. Enemies include those that do. Allies include Britain and China pre-WWII. Enemies include Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.
Note that there's nothing in the constitution that says we should support fully religious enemy states (that's almost all of the Muslim states) against our friends. We can get the oil from enemy Muslim states without selling our friends down the river.
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"It is well that war is so terrible - we should grow too fond of it," states Lee during the fighting at Fredricksburg.
Posted by: Mike oilman ||
07/30/2006 22:32 Comments ||
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And you're right I am America 1st. My Great Great Grandfather fought in the seige at Petersburg, VA. Unlike AIPAC, I don't share my allegence to a foreign power (Israel).
Posted by: Mike oilman ||
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MO: "It is well that war is so terrible - we should grow too fond of it," states Lee during the fighting at Fredricksburg.
When Muslims learn this lesson, then we won't have to fight them any more.
Much like the "America First" asshats who kept us from re-arming in the lead-up to Pearl Harbor. The same nutjobs who led the Japanese to think a sudden blow would scare us out of the fight.
Yes, loyalty to America is important. But the world is bigger than our borders.
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MO: And you're right I am America 1st. My Great Great Grandfather fought in the seige at Petersburg, VA.
On which side? Let's it even if it was on the Union side, you don't rate. Benedict Arnold was a bona fide American war hero. Until he betrayed America to the enemy. Your *great grandfather* fought during the Civil War. I assume he honored whichever side he fought on - at least both were American. You are advocating American submission to a bunch of heathen scum from Arabia - a people who have been Christendom's greatest threat for a thousand years.
MO: Unlike AIPAC, I don't share my allegence to a foreign power (Israel).
You mean like CAIR, you devote your allegiance exclusively to the Muslim enemies of America?
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RC: Much like the "America First" asshats who kept us from re-arming in the lead-up to Pearl Harbor. The same nutjobs who led the Japanese to think a sudden blow would scare us out of the fight. Yes, loyalty to America is important. But the world is bigger than our borders.
I'm afraid that's wrong. America Firsters were for a strong defense. They just wanted the US out of the aid business, which did weaken America's defenses, leading to the US starting WWII without sufficient weaponry to defend its assets in the Pacific. No amount of peacetime "rearming" would have prepped the US for WWII. The Axis powers were using up huge amounts of their economies to get their war machines going. Lindbergh participated in combat missions against the Japanese and came up with new ways to improve the combat effectiveness of US military aviation. That's not something you're going to see Mike Oilman do.
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Bottom line is that the only way to catch up with the Axis powers would have been the total mobilization of the US economy - as was done after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor - during which 50% of national output (compared to about 5% today) was devoted to defense. Politically it's impossible - because of the hardships - to undertake that kind of economic mobilization without being at war. This is why Roosevelt never proposed it. After Pearl Harbor, America Firsters got behind the flag and supported the war. Meanwhile, Mike Oilman is out there cheering the enemy on.
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My GGG was a Lieutenant under Lee. He surrendered at Appomattox courthouse. My grandmother told me he was very proud to be an American. He relocated to Philadelphia after the war because everything he had in the south was completely destroyed. He was from Charleston.
Muslims are not our enemies we unfortunately have made them our enemies. The Saudis were instrumental in ending the cold war. Reagan asked them to over produce oil in the 80's (at their own detrement) to crash the oil market so the USSR's economie would crash.
Although, Churchhill said "We have no permanent Allies."
I do like Rantburg and many thing on this page provide food for thought. I guess from my GGG I hold some Rebel veiws, but I am every bit American. The Rebel Yell "EEEYA"
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Liberty was actually attacked by a fully-cloaked Romulan "Bird of Prey"...
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Ignore the antisemitic yokels who bring up the "Liberty" incident every chance they get.
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MO: Muslims are not our enemies we unfortunately have made them our enemies.
Americans are not the enemies of Islam. But Islam does consider the non-Muslim world its enemy. And has done so for over a thousand years.
MO: The Saudis were instrumental in ending the cold war. Reagan asked them to over produce oil in the 80's (at their own detrement) to crash the oil market so the USSR's economie would crash.
Actually, Americans were instrumental in ending the Cold War. We kept communism from advancing unchecked across the globe by aiding anti-Communist governments and fighting two land wars in Asia. We prevented the Soviets from annexing Iran and kept the Gulf States (including Saudi Arabia) protected against all of their potential enemies, including the Soviets, Iran and Iraq. We don't owe Saudi Arabia anything. They owe us their very existence. The oil glut in the '80's was the result of over-exploration after the record prices of late '70's, not Saudi cooperation. The Soviet economy imploded for the same reason that the North Korean and Cuban economies are imploding - communist economics don't work.
MO: Although, Churchhill said "We have no permanent Allies."
That's right. Cooperating with a slimy terrorist-sponsoring theocracy like Saudi Arabia was necessary during the Cold War, just as dealing with the Soviets was necessary during WWII. I'm not sure it's necessary to quite the same extent today. However, it's probably just as necessary to prevent Saudi oil from falling into somebody else's hands. Which is why we remain their ally. But we are allies - which is to say that we have a relationship stemming from a common interest in their continued national independence. We are not friends, which would require shared values.
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Muslims are not our enemies we unfortunately have made them our enemies.
I disagree. Islam advocates war against non-belevers - it is the highest calling of the muslim. Muslims are duty bound to war agains the infidels - Jihad. Islam has been at war against all non-belevers since its founding. The crusades were a defensive war against almost 600 years of militaristic expansion by Islam. Syria, Jordan, Iran, etc.. used to be all christian lands - until Islam converted them by the sword.
In islam the unbeliever has three choices:
1) Pay a tax *in humiliation* Worship their god in secret - you cannot display your cross, cannot discuss your religion outside of your church - no evangalising(I know I spelled that wrong).
Churches cannot be build nor maintained. This is intended to be a *temprary* measure until the unbelever chooses one of the other two options. And by humiliation I mean you are third-class citizens - have no legal rights (even less then those of women) and must *always* defer to a muslim in all things.
2) Convert to Islam. Of course once in Islam you can never leave. To leave carries with it a death sentence.
3) Death.
Look at the globe. On just about every border of the Islamic world Islam is at war with the infidels. Indonesia. Tailand. India, Russia, China, Africa. They all have problems with 'Islamic extreamist'. In indonesia they openly attack and burn churches while the islamic governemt gives 'lip service' to justice.
U.S.-led coalition forces and Afghan police killed 20 suspected Taliban in the latest fighting to hit southern Afghanistan, as NATO on Sunday prepared to take command in the insurgency-wracked region.
Afghan forces also killed six militants in southeastern Paktika province, an Afghan official said.
On Monday, the U.S. anti-terror coalition is to formally hand over control of security operations to a NATO-led force that has deployed about 8,000 mostly British, Canadian and Dutch troops in the south.
The deployment has coincided with the deadliest upsurge in fighting since U.S.-backed forces ousted the Taliban regime in late 2001 for hosting Usama bin Laden, mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
On a visit to Afghanistan on Sunday, French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said many Taliban fighters were crossing from Pakistan to stage attacks.
"We need real cooperation from Pakistan, but it seems very difficult for them. The border is a very difficult region and we ask Pakistan to make some more effort to control it," she told reporters in Kabul.
Pakistan, a key U.S. ally in its war on terrorism, says it does all it can to patrol the porous Afghan border.
On Saturday, a joint force of coalition and Afghan troops killed 20 suspected Taliban militants who had attempted an ambush in Shahidi Hassas district of Uruzgan province, a coalition statement said. There were no casualties among coalition or Afghan forces.
Afghan soldiers and police killed six Taliban fighters and captured eight Sunday during a clash in southeastern Paktika province's Waza Khwa district, said Said Jamal, spokesman for the provincial governor. No further details were available.
In Kandahar province, three militants blew themselves up Saturday as they laid an explosive on a road, said Daoud Ahmadi, a spokesman for the provincial governor. Another suspected Taliban died Sunday when a land mine he was planting north of Kandahar city exploded, Ahmadi said.
Taliban-led fighters have escalated roadside bombings and suicide attacks this year, and have also mounted brazen attacks on several small towns and district police stations a tactic rarely seen in the previous four years.
International forces, backed by the Afghan army, have meted out a tough response.
Afghan Defense Ministry spokesman Gen. Zahir Azimi said a 50-day operation dubbed Mountain Thrust has resulted in the deaths of at least 613 suspected militants. Some 87 others were wounded and about 300 arrested, he said.
Azimi said between 13 and 16 civilians had also died.
He declined to give details of Afghan and coalition casualties. According to an Associated Press count of coalition figures, at least 19 coalition troops have died in Afghanistan during the same period.
British Lt. Gen. David Richards, commander of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force, said Saturday that Operation Mountain Thrust would wind down as NATO takes over in the south, but its force will "keep up the tempo" of operations against insurgents.
NATO brings a new strategy to dealing with the Taliban rebellion: establishing bases rather than chasing militants, and is hoping to win the support of local people by creating secure zones where development can take place.
But questions remain whether they can quell the violence enough to allow aid workers to get to work in a lawless and impoverished region, where about a quarter of Afghanistan's huge opium crop is grown.
Azimi dismissed concern that there would not be enough troops on the ground. He said the Afghan army would maintain three brigades of about 3,000 troops each in the southern provinces of Kandahar, Helmand and Zabul, supporting the NATO forces.
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In a situation like Afghanistan and Pakistan, where we can't readily stray into Pak territory to off the boogers, perhaps we have set up the next best thing: channeling the bad guyz into a narrow corridor rarely travelled by ordinary commerce.
This can have all sorts of benefits. First you can observe where they are travelling, to figure out the overall enemy strategy. Second, over time you can learn to spot whoever is in charge. If anyone has information, it will be them.
And third, if you let one or two groups go, you can maybe find out where in Pakistan they are going to.
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A thirty-to-one kill ratio is unacceptable, however. There are more talliwhackers than there are Alliance forces. We need to increase that to 60-to-1, or even 100-to-1. We need to find a way to force them into close proximity to one another, and then whack 'em all at once. That's going to require gaining control and keeping control of more and more territory. I hope the Brits et al are up to it.
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Here's part of the statement put out by the official website of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (h/t, the Belmont Club):
[THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA] WARNS ALL THAT IF THE PEACE OPTION IS REJECTED DUE TO THE ISRAELI ARROGANCE THEN ONLY THE WAR OPTION REMAINS AND NO ONE KNOWS THE REPERCUSSIONS BEFALLING THE REGION, INCLUDING WARS AND CONFLICT THAT WILL SPARE NO ONE INCLUDING THOSE WHOSE MILITARY POWER IS NOW TEMPTING THEM TO PLAY WITH FIRE.
Meanwhile, the Pentagon indicated yesterday that it has new plans to sell billions in weaponry to the Saudis, among others in the region:
The Defense Department reported that they have a plan to sell military hardware and worth up to $5 billion to certain Arab countries. ... The plan calls for a nearly $3 billion deal with Saudi Arabia, involving sales of 58 Abrams tanks and a [sic] upgrade of Saudi-owned Abrams tanks, as well as Apache helicopters worth $400 million, according to a statement released by the Pentagon's Defense Security Cooperation Agency.
Congress has 30 days to approve the sale once it is officially notified.
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wonder if these oil whores have actually thought this out? If their fundes are frozen? They'd just be sweaty unbathen homeless assholes without a job or skill to earn their way home....doubt that many smelly hitchhikers would get rides...
Posted by: Frank G ||
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Selling modern, high tech military equipment to SA is like selling supercomputers to monkeys. It's only a threat if they resell to someone who can use it.
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I was thinking it's a smart move by the administration. They get the Soddies to pay for top gear, who then store it on their bases, and then when we do decide to setup the Republic of Eastern Arabia with the 90km corridor, there's a whole load of state of the art bang-bang just waiting to be used ;)
Posted by: Tony (UK) ||
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I say nix the deal.
I have my biases like anyone, in this case I'd say sell weapons only to Israel and the current offical gov. in Iraq. With Iraq I wouldn't sell them anything that could be used outside their own borders. IE no long range stuff.
Posted by: RJB in JC MO ||
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i wonder if the US vere thought about hiding secret auot distruct mechanisms in the palnes they sell other nations? which of course we could push at our desire
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90 km? Since when did we move the border west? I'm not complaining, I just feel out of the loop ...
Posted by: Steve White ||
07/30/2006 19:53 Comments ||
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i wonder if the US vere thought about hiding secret auot distruct mechanisms in the palnes they sell other nations? which of course we could push at our desire
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The Sauds have been buying very large amounts of French weapons.
Posted by: ed ||
07/30/2006 20:17 Comments ||
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Why don't they just say what they have to say and be done with it. Has this statement been modified since news about Hezb'Allah probably causing the blast has come out?
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Let's collect the money. it isn't like the soddies can actually fight. 58 Abrams is almost 2 armored batalions. BTW, can a Hellfire take out a Abrams?
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Let's collect the money. it isn't like the soddies can actually fight. 58 Abrams is almost 2 armored batalions. BTW, can a Hellfire take out a Abrams?
That's just a single battalion.
And an Abrams can't even take out an Abrams. A Hellfire shot would be equivilent to a paintball shot.
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honkey: i wonder if the US vere thought about hiding secret auot distruct mechanisms in the palnes they sell other nations? which of course we could push at our desire
There is such a mechanism. It's called native maintenance staff coupled with native machinery operators (pilots, tankers, et al).
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And an Abrams can't even take out an Abrams. A Hellfire shot would be equivilent to a paintball shot.
Hellfires are capable of taking out any tank currently made including Abrams, they just don't produce a big bang when they go off usually. Its MAVERICKS that are overkill.
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I think that the Saudis are just putting out some puff pieces for fellow Arab consumption. They will get their a$$es handed to them if they mess around in this conflict.
As far as selling them military equipment, hey, their money is usually good, so why not? It's the expats that keep things maintained. Things get hot, no more expats, nor maintenance, no more air force. Too many outsiders (infidels) know their air defense system, etc so their armed forces could be neutralized without too much extra effort.
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SCOTLAND YARD has placed one of its Muslim officers on restricted duties while it investigates intelligence that he may have attended a terror camp linked to Al-Qaeda in Pakistan. The policeman who firmly denies the allegations is said by police sources to be one of three Muslim officers questioned in a Yard search for terror sleeper cells in its ranks.
Screening procedures were a little incomplete?
The move follows disclosures earlier this month that Islamic terrorist sympathisers had attempted to infiltrate the intelligence services by applying for jobs in MI5. It raises the risk of terrorist fifth columnists passing on information about secret operations and compromising the identities of undercover agents.
The Metropolitan police last week said that it would look at individual cases if there were concerns, but added that it was not reassessing the backgrounds of all its 400-500 Muslim staff.
Nah, they'll just wait until all the rats amongst them have committed terrible crimes, or leaked really sensitive information, or tipped off their terr pals about raids. Good thinking.
The officer, who is in his mid-twenties, was placed on restricted duties at a London police station earlier this month. Police sources say his security clearance for sensitive databases has been withdrawn pending the results of an internal inquiry.
The inquiry appears to have been triggered by the belated discovery that the officer made a trip to Pakistan before joining the police in 2001. He returned to Britain shortly after the September 11 terrorist attacks.
You'd think that would have raised eyebrows.
During an interview with the Yards secret vetting unit, which works closely with MI5, it was suggested he may have attended or associated with people at an Al-Qaeda training camp. The British-born officer, whose parents are from Pakistan, denies knowingly meeting terrorists. He is understood to have told his interviewers that he went abroad to study and this involved briefly attending a madrasah religious school as a way of getting into technical college in the UK. He abandoned his studies to join the police in 2003.
Why does someone need to attend a madrassah in Pak-land to gain admittance to a technical school in the UK? He needed to brush up his calculus?
Some madrasahs in Pakistan have a reputation for attracting extremists and radicalising young Muslims. Shehzad Tanweer, the London suicide bomber, is said to have visited one in the months before last years attacks.
The Association of Muslim Police (AMP) says there are two other investigations in which Muslim officers have been interviewed about trips to Pakistan. Tahir Butt, secretary of the AMP, has raised the cases with senior management. He said that a policy which targeted Muslims and not other religions would be wholly inappropriate.
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Under shariah, it is unlawful for a Muslim to act loyal to a non-Islamic State. Each and every Muslim presents a threat of jihad conscription, and resultant terror.
In an article published by the Arabic website of the Chechen Mujahideen, alqoqaz.com on Friday, July 28.20.06, the Mujahideen state that less than four hours Putin's announcement of the end of the war in Chechnya, a powerful Russian army battalion met its fatal destiny. The group then claims responsibility for a surprise operation near the village of Efteri (Avturi) led by the commander, Abu Hafs, destroying three trucks and burning many vehicles.
They state: "The Russians confessed to this operation and its fierceness and said that the loss of soldiers was ten killed and twenty-five injured only. The important thing is that the Mujahideen could, with the Grace of God, respond practically to Putin's statements and to prove his lies in front of the general Russian public opinion."
In addition, the Chechen Mujahideen announce that they eliminated a hypocrite who abetted Russian forces and harmed Chechen civilians, by detonating an improvised explosive device (IED) on him and his guards in the area of Shali.
At this point it's starting to look like the actual Chechens are hanging it up, while the Arabs continue with the war, professing nominal allegiance to Count Dooku, no doubt. I don't think that's going to be a terribly sustainable state of affairs — but who's sure, given the reliability of reporting from both sides?
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When does China, Russia, India and America get together and declare: jihadis may be fought by any means necessary? Use of Napalm and shoot on sight license, would pull the steel out of terrorist backbones. As I write, Hizbollah supporters have attacked the Prime Minister of Australia. What the hell is the point of declaring Hizbollah a terrorist organization, while allowing its supporters to engage in violence?
A federal grand jury in Alexandria is investigating unauthorized leaks of classified information and has issued a subpoena to a fired National Security Agency officer who has acknowledged talking with journalists about the agency's warrantless surveillance program, according to documents released yesterday. admitted it, huh?
The 23-member grand jury is "conducting an investigation of possible violations of federal criminal laws involving unauthorized disclosure of classified information" under the Espionage Act and other statutes, according to a document accompanying the subpoena. fry em
The demand for testimony from former NSA officer Russell Tice provides a sign of the Justice Department's aggressiveness in pursuing the leak investigation, which follows a series of controversial news reports on classified programs. It also marks the latest potential use of the espionage statute to combat such leaks.
In December, Justice opened a criminal investigation after the New York Times disclosed the existence of the eavesdropping program, which allows the NSA to monitor telephone calls to and from the United States without a court order if one party is linked to suspected of links to terrorist groups. The documents released yesterday do not make it clear whether the grand jury is focused on that report or on some other disclosure.
Tice has publicly identified himself as a possible source for the report, saying that he talked to Times reporters before it was published. He also has said he believes he was fired by the NSA last year because he complained of possible Chinese espionage at the agency, and he has since sought to testify before Congress about "probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts" by the NSA director and other senior administration officials.
Tice said in an interview that he viewed the subpoena as an attempt at intimidation by the government. "This is the king saying, 'How dare anyone challenge my authority and say that I'm a crook or a criminal?' " he said. king, huh? Sounds like a Clinton holdover
The subpoena, dated July 25, requires Tice to appear Aug. 2. It was posted yesterday on the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition's Web site. Tice is a member of the group.
New York Times spokeswoman Catherine Mathis said the newspaper has "not been contacted by the government" in the case. A Justice spokesman declined to comment.
Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales has said that while prosecutors are focused on the "leakers," he cannot rule out the need to demand testimony from reporters as well. A separate grand jury investigation into the leak of CIA officer Valerie Plame's identity resulted in the jailing last year of one reporter and testimony from her and numerous others.
Journalism and secrecy experts said the Alexandria investigation is another worrisome development for reporters attempting to inform the public about intelligence programs and policies.
"They are playing hardball," said Lucy Dalglish, executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. ". . . They're rounding up the most likely suspects, getting them to say 'Yes I was a source' or 'No I was not a source,' and then they'll go to the reporters jail the reporters too
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I met him once and my impression was that he was well below the political appointee level, Frank. His allegations of possible Chinese espionage seemed at least worth investigating, but the government has more information and could have had good reasons to not pursue them. But admissions of leaking classified information is another kettle of fish, of course.
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NSA did investigate ole Russ's accusation and found nothing of merit. The man is suffering from depression and is paranoid delutional. Can you imagine what happens to someones career that is accused of spying at a spy agency? Bottom line Russ is a nut and he probably was the source on some of these leaks.
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He's admitted he's the sourse and he is setting himself up immunity to testify over the Chinese issue just in time before he was outed by investigation. He's probably a decent poker player. My bet is he gets his immunity and testifies to the China investigation, the Donks will rally. He will get to slam Bush's men in office and not go to jail for the wire tap leak.
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I remember a tale of a Soviet spy who was, as all new spies, taken down to be shown the giant furnace that heated their headquarters building. He was then shown a video of an ex-spy known as a traitor to them, bound and writhing on a hospital gurney as he was fed head first through the open furnace door.
He said it was a real motivator for them to mind their p's & q's.
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I am missing something here. What chinese investigation are you speaking about pan? The higher ups heard what Tice had to say, investigated it, and then thought it prudent that he didn't have access to classified information. Russ needs immunity from reality because that is what he fears.
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CS your right. I was leading to his publicly trying to get it reopened in an effort to discredit the Bush appointees and to cover his ass. I assume the MSM's will be all over him as a victim. No doubt he's done in the NSA.
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Follow-up. The AP manages to round up useful information. I'm still treating this as a page 1, WoT related story. Some EFL.
SEATTLE - The man suspected in a fatal shooting rampage hid behind a potted plant in a Jewish charity's foyer and forced his way through a security door by holding a gun to a 13-year-old girl's head, authorities said Saturday. Once inside, police say, Naveed Afzal Haq opened fire with two semiautomatic pistols. One woman, Pam Waechter, 58, of Seattle was killed at the scene. Five more women were wounded. Haq, 30, was ordered held on $50 million bail Saturday pending formal charges of murder and attempted murder.
...hid behind a potted plant in a Jewish charity's foyer and forced his way through a security door by holding a gun to a 13-year-old girl's head...
Haq, a Muslim, told authorities he was angered by the war in Iraq and U.S. military cooperation with Israel. ``He pointedly blamed Jewish people for all of these problems,'' Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske said at a news conference Saturday. According to a statement of probable cause, Haq told a 911 dispatcher: ``These are Jews and I'm tired of getting pushed around and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East.''
... a quiet loner with few friends...
Muhammad Ullah, a close family friend and a senior member of a mosque founded in part by Haq's father, described Haq as a quiet loner with few friends.
"He was a quiet man." Aren't they all until they go beserk?
In a statement, the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities offered condolences to the shooting victims and said ``we disassociate this act from our Islamic teachings and beliefs.''
Nice statement. How 'bout passing the hat at the mosque and donating some money to repair the synagogue?
Seattle police said Haq picked up the two handguns and spare ammunition just days earlier, and appeared to have targeted the federation after a cursory Internet search for Jewish organizations.
Which means they've had his computer in for a look-see. Wonder what else they found that they aren't telling us?
He also was stopped shortly before the shootings in Seattle for a minor traffic infraction, and was cited and released, Kerlikowske said. Haq had a valid driver's license and his actions did not raise any suspicion, the chief said.
One of the women wounded in Friday's shooting - hit in the arm as she shielded her pregnant belly - helped bring the crisis to an end by crawling into her office, calling 911, and convincing her assailant to talk to dispatchers, Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske said. ``She's a hero in my eyes,'' he said at a news conference.
She is. Smart thinking under pressure. I can only hope I'd be that good.
All the heroes weren't killed in 9-11..
When Haq got on the phone with 911 operators, he identified himself by name and said, ``This is a hostage situation and I wanted these Jews to get out,'' according to a statement of probable cause. At one point, he told the dispatcher he wanted police to call the media and that he had a gun pointed at a woman's head. He said he was acting alone and had not been drinking, court documents said. The three most seriously wounded women, who had been shot in the abdomen, were upgraded from critical to serious condition Saturday, hospital spokeswoman Susan Gregg-Hanson said. The other two were in satisfactory condition Friday. A nursing supervisor refused to say Saturday evening whether they had been released from the hospital.
Harborview has a great trauma unit; it's part of the Univ. Washington medical system.
Prosecutors have until Aug. 2 to formally charge Haq, spokesman Dan Donohoe said. They are not yet seeking capital charges, but that could change, he said.
Wouldn't the dead woman kinda predicate a capital charge? Or isn't she very important?
Authorities searched Haq's parents' home and his apartment - both in the Tri-Cities area of southeastern Washington - and removed evidence, including computers and Haq's car, Kerlikowske said. Police and the FBI are labeling the shootings a hate crime.
How about labeling it a terrorist act?
Haq entered the King County courtroom on Saturday wearing handcuffs, chains and leg shackles, and a white jail jumpsuit that labeled him an ``ultra security inmate.'' Before entering, Haq requested through a public defender that he be allowed to not personally attend the hearing, or for him to not be photographed or videotaped. District Judge Barbara L. Linde denied both requests. Haq briefly glanced at rows of news media in the gallery on his way into the courtroom but otherwise showed no outward emotion.
Waechter, an assistant director at the federation, was described by colleagues as a tireless worker for the Jewish community. ``She was a person everybody loved, everybody enjoyed being with,'' said Rabbi Jim Mirel of Temple B'nai Torah, where Waechter was a past president. Waechter is survived by two adult children, Nicole and Mark, Mirel said.
God grant you peace.
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Lets see....
Deliberately targetted and attempted to murder innocent civilians (not to mention attempted murder of a pregnant woman) to make a political statement --- CHECK.
That makes him a terrorist in my book. If you find that he belongs Hez or any other terrorist organization then follow the Geneva Convention and take him out back and put a bullet in his head as an illegal combatant - no trial needed.
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"These are Jews and I'm tired of getting pushed around and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East."
Pushed around? Really? By your own guilty conscience, maybe.
Who ya been talkin' to, Naveed?
Note to Naveed's associates who may contributed to this directly or indirectly, either in person or through other channels: Better start thinking before you start talking from now on. Do you feel proud of yourselves now? Have the world's problems been solved? Have you finally seen what the real problem is? Hint: 13-year-old hostage, 58-year-old woman dead, pregnant woman shot, other women shot in the abdomen. All innocent and unarmed. Brave. I doubt that God will not be smiling when he greets your kind for the first and last time. Don't think you're going to talk your way out of this one. Don't think ignorance is an excuse. God gave you a brain and wanted you to use it. You are being tested before you head off to eternity, and this is what he's testing.
ultra security inmate
Probably for his own protection as much as society's. Who would be most likely to off the guy if they could? May well not be a Jew.
For all the individual muslims and muslim organizations who have spoken out against this kind of behavior either in public or in private: Thank you.
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Pity this son of a she-camel didn't do this in Texas instead of the People's Republic of Washington. First, they probably wouldn't have taken him alive. If they had, he would sure as hell get the spike--and it wouldn't be very long in coming, either.
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I agree I am sick of backing down towards these obvious fanatical lunatics, who maim & kill our innocent people, for what is going on in their crazy countries !!!
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Feed by the atmosphere of hate and bigotry instilled by MSM driven by profits and ego without regard for the truth. Lots of contenders for the 2006 Julius Streicher award in yellow journalism. Since one of MSM's mantras is international law, how would they like it applied to them? Wait we have the First Amendment! Yes, but you pontificate that international law has a higher standing than the Constitution.
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This is a hostage situation and I wanted these Jews to get out,''
Muslims, who aren't into jihad, better read this and weep. "Disassociate" yourself from Haq's actions against jews and you will have to associate yourselves with the same actions against Muslims I'm not threatening, I'm just stating the obvious.
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Must have not been enough locals and regular folks in the Seattle and tri-cities area to fit the jobs at Hanford. Gummit or gummit contractors had to exercise "affirmative action" and go out and hire this loser's Paki father and bring him and his loser clan in. The deportation all "military age males" (MAMS) like this piece of kak will prevent a lot of heartache and sorrow in the future.
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When you are deliberately taught from birth that anyone not a muslim is an animal, and that islam gives every muslim the right to treat 'animals' any way they wish, you can't be surprised by any behavior they may exhibit. Islam does not recognize the humanity of anyone else. Islam does not recognize any guides to behavior outside of islam, which says 'anything goes'. Islam is a psychopathic disease that cannot be cured short of elimination, like smallpox or polio. Trying to force islam into a western mindset is both a waste of time and an exercise in futility. It's time to take out the 'heart and soul' of islam, and crush the rest into oblivion. It's the only way western civilization can survive.
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Old Patriot:
Not much different from National Socialism. I wish more folks could see it for what it is.
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Local papers carries reporting that did not even mention the suspect's etnic origin until a page four continuation. Today's coverage states that this will be charged as a hate crime.
WTF does it take for people to understand that this is standard fare when it comes to Islamic driven anti-Semitism and terrorism in general? The media had better start getting this straight or blogs such as Rantburg will rightfully eat their collective lunch.
I'm beginning to think that soft-pedalling of Islamism needs to become a crime of some sort.
He was 5 when he first fired an M-16, his father holding him to brace against the recoil. At 17 he enlisted in the Marine Corps, spurred by the memory of 9/11. Now, 21-year-old Galen Wilson has 20 confirmed kills in four months in Iraq and another 40 shots that probably killed insurgents. One afternoon the lance corporal downed a man hauling a grenade launcher five-and-a-half football fields away. Wilson is the designated marksman in a company of Marines based in downtown Ramadi, watching over what Marines call the most dangerous neighborhood in the most dangerous city in the world. Here, Sunni Arab insurgents are intent on toppling the local government protected by Marines.
Wilson, 5-foot-6 with a soft face, is married and has two children and speaks in a deep, steady monotone. After two tours in Iraq, his commanders in the 3rd Battalion, 8th Regiment call him a particularly mature Marine, always collected and given to an occasional wry grin.
His composure is regularly tested. Swaths of central and southern Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, are dominated by insurgents who regularly attack the provincial government headquarters that Marines protect. During a large-scale attack on Easter Sunday, Wilson says, he spotted six gunmen on a rooftop about 400 yards away. In about 8 seconds he squeezed off five rounds hitting five gunmen in the head. The sixth man dived off a 3-story building just as Wilson got him in his sights, and counts as a probable death. "You could tell he didn't know where it was coming from. He just wanted to get away," Wilson said. Later that day, he said, he killed another insurgent.
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Well, hell, *I* support what you're doing, Wilson! Keep up the great work!
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Obviously, me being a devout Catholic, it's a conflict of interest. Then again, God supported David when he killed Goliath," Wilson said. "I believe God supports what we do and I've never killed anyone who wasn't carrying a weapon
I'm Catholic and I'd help load his weapon. Good shootin'!
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Ima not certain this PR is wise. A soldier is tough enough.
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Those of you old enough to remember Ian Fleming might remember this comment in From a View to a Kill: "Never send a man where you can send a bullet." It was good advice then and better advice now. Keep up the good work, Marine. Semper Fi!
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Excellent. At just 21, that's very impressive shooting. USMC snipers have always pretty much won the day; God love 'em. (must have something to do with enlistee motivation (Guts) and USMC time-honored warrior skills training.
They deserve our utmost support.
VR,
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A Turkish military unit entered northern Iraq earlier this week, with the aim of launching an operation against members of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) who have found shelter in the mountainous region; however, the unit left the region a short time later, according to separate reports by different agencies based in Arbil and Ankara. The unit crossed Iraq's borders near the village of Kveste -- the nearest town is Amediye, 45 miles northeast of the northern Iraqi city of Dohuk -- on Wednesday night, an online news agency based in Arbil, known as the media organ of the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), reported, citing unidentified sources. The same sources noted that no confrontations or pursuit took place and that the Turkish military unit left the region after a few hours, the Peyamner News Agency reported.
The report came at a time when Turkey, responding to a mounting campaign of PKK violence that has left 15 security personnel dead in three days in southeastern Anatolia, had urged U.S. and Iraqi authorities to act, warning that otherwise it would carry out a cross-border operation inside Iraqi territory. The same incident was also reported by the Ankara-based ANKA news agency, citing a report by The Voice of Iraq, a private radio station based in Baghdad.
Fahmi Sofi, assistant commander of the KDP forces, told the radio station that an approximately 200-strong Turkish unit entered northern Iraq on Wednesday afternoon and moved towards Dohuk. Village guards accompanied the military unit as it penetrated two kilometers into Iraq, he said, and added that they left the region after a few hours. Earlier this week, in an apparent response to Ankara, which has recently stepped up warnings it could militarily intervene in northern Iraq, Massoud Barzani, head of the semi-autonomous Kurdish region in northern Iraq, said that they would consider a possible intervention by Turkey in northern Iraq as "an attack on our soil."
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Most likely the Kurds made a phone call to Washington, who made a phone call to Istanbul.
However, you can't discount the possibility that some Turkish officer took one look at the situation and said FTS, they are too far over too much rough terrain for this unit. If they ain't here, I'm not gonna bet that they are over the next mountain.
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"I stepped over the li-ine. I stepped over the li-ine. Neerner neener!"
"Uh, Yippie? This is George. You lookin' to lose more o' that Ottoman thing you usta have? Look, I said we'd try to he'p you out and here you're gettin' all twitchy and stupid. Do that again without my say so son and you'll be wonderin' where the Hell those soljers you sent down there got off to. You get my drift? These here Kurdish fellas want a seaport and here you're diggin' the ditch for 'em. Put it back in your pants, if'n ya wanna keep it, that is."
#3
Probably for the best. It might be they had several low flyovers by our USAF and Navy Pilots. A sonic boom at low altitudes does wonders to get the point across.
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I understand that Turkey goes after Kurdish terrorist groups that attack it over their border and retreat back to Iraq. They never stay for long, it's usually a hot-pursuit thing. I doubt that I would blame them if this is the case. And I doubt that Bush cares one way or the other as long as it doesn't go much beyond hot pursuit or small preemptive actions.
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Thise Elm.. you nailed that. While it's easy to understand that Turkey wants to defend themselves against PKK terrorists, and we'd all like to think that it won't go much beyond hot pursuit or small preemptive actions...that's just not the reality of what the little yippie dog (with his delusions of being the one who gets to wear the bejeweled turban) has in mind. A new front in the WOT has just been opened.
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The Turks have maintained troops inside Iraq, as much as several miles, since before Saddam was ousted. There was / is a Turk special forces unit headquartered in Kirkuk or Mosul, not sure which.
Both the former and current Iraqi government lack[ed] the ability to do anything about it.
Israel has agreed to a 48-hour suspension of aerial activity in south Lebanon while it investigates an attack on a Lebanese village that killed a number of children, U.S. State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said Sunday.
The airstrike killed at least 56 Lebanese, mostly women and children, when it leveled a building where they had taken shelter. The deadliest attack in nearly three weeks of warfare forced Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to cut short a Mideast mission and increased world pressure on the United States to back an end to the fighting.
The stunning bloodshed pushed American peace efforts to a crucial juncture, as fury at the United States flared in Lebanon, which said it no longer would negotiate a U.S. peace package without an unconditional cease-fire. U.N. chief Kofi Annan sharply criticized world leaders - implicitly Washington - for ignoring his previous calls to stop the violence.
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I guess it's official. There is no clever Israeli campaign plan happening below the surface that's not obvious to those of us following on the news. They are just mucking around. They would not suspend airstrikes if they had ground troops in need of close air support. Hopefully they are smart enough to make this conditional on Hez not firing off another 100 rockets.
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Anybody else fed up with Kofi? The crook has no moral authority at all and he expects nations to ask "how high" when he says "Jump". I would love to see Bolton absolutely eviscerate the guy, but it will never happen.
He is proud to order IDF to phone Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists and supporters before bombing their homes.
And now this UNBELIEVEBALE suspension of aerial activity !
Hezbollah will not suspend its firing of rockets and missiles on Israel. Are the Israelis O.K. for dying without fighting now ? What's this mad government ?
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I guess it's official. There is no clever Israeli campaign plan happening below the surface that's not obvious to those of us following on the news. They are just mucking around.
Damn I'm afraid you're right, I'm kinda unsettled by this. I don't see the rabbit out of the hat now.
For the murder of Americans and blowing up American interests [Hezbollah's past deeds] it should never be given any quarter until it's permanently destroyed.
The same goes for Israel and it's interests, Hezbollah must be destroyed.
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From Debka Israel accepts a unilateral suspension of its air strikes on S. Lebanon for 48 hours to allow for an investigation into the Qana attack
July 31, 2006, 4:51 AM (GMT+02:00)
Israel also agreed to coordinate with the United Nations to allow a 24-hour window for residents of southern Lebanon to leave the area if they wished.
Israels air, sea and land corridors for humanitarian passage remain open.
Lebanon police claim 54 civilians were killed in an Israel air attack of Qana. The Red Cross reports 28. US State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said in Jerusalem that Israel reserved the right to take action against targets preparing attacks against it in line with US policy that Israel has the right to defend itself.
In other words, if Israel air surveillance detects Hizballah rocket launchers in action, its air force may attack them. Hizballah has not announced any corresponding suspension of its daily rocket attacks on Israeli civilian locations.
DEBKAfile adds: The pause in Israeli air strikes comes at a convenient moment for Hizballah after those bombardments forced its 220mm rocket deployment which has plagued Haifa to regroup north of the Litani River. It means that Hizballah will be given the chance to move the rockets back into the south as well as bringing fresh fighters in free of air attack. During the 48-hour suspension, Israels military will complete its own investigation of the Qana attack and draw lessons.
The United States welcomes Israels decision, secured by US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice before she returns to Washington Monday, July 31, and hopes it will help ease the suffering of the children of South Lebanon and their families.
Earlier Sunday, The Lebanese government refused to hold diplomatic discussions with the US secretary without an immediate unconditional ceasefire by Israel. Rice who cut her mission short said she was saddened by the tragedy in Lebanon. Prime minister Ehud Olmert and chief of staff Lt. Gen Dan Halutz voiced deep regret at the tragic loss of life at Qana in a building that collapses after the Israeli air force struck Hizballah rocket sites. Halutz said Israel did not know there were civilians and children in the building and blamed Hizballah for using them as human shields. Olmert: This war was not started by us and we did not want it, but we will finish our counter-offensive until northern Israel is safe from Hizballah attack. He spoke of another 10 to 14 days. Hizballah religious leader Sheikh Nabulsi: If international troops come to South Lebanon, we will attack them in the same way as we fight Israelis.
THE governing Palestinian movement Hamas has vowed to carry out attacks on Israel that could include suicide bombings in response to an Israeli air strike on the Lebanese village of Qana that killed at least 51 civilians. "In the face of this open war against the Arab and Muslim nations all options are open, including striking the depth of the Zionist entity," Mushir al-Masri, a senior Hamas MP, told Reuters.
All options are open. Every means is allowed.
Asked if that meant suicide bombings against Israelis, Mr Masri said: "All options are open. Every means is allowed. This is a crime and state terror and a crossing of all red lines."
Hamas carried out nearly 60 suicide bombings against Israelis during a Palestinian uprising that began in 2000. Besides its offensive in Lebanon against Hezbollah, Israel has been engaged in an offensive against Palestinian militants in Gaza for more than a month since militants, including members of Hamas, abducted an Israeli soldier.
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Lots of questions about the 27 kids reportedly killed in the Qana strike.
I'm sure IDF dropped pamphlets and called as well. Hez now hiding in day-care centres where staff are too dumb to leave when told?
Set-up, set-up, set-up. I believe they purposefully gathered the kids at the site knowing they'd be killed, just for the PR. MSM better take a real close look at their tactics on this strike rather than just blaming Israel.
Why were the kids there, Associated Press? top and think.
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Thimp. You are much too kind. Of course they gathered children there just so they can get the AP to take the photos. How is it possible that the AP hasn't figured it out by now? It's not.
It is possible for some of their readers to be so clueless, but it is not possible for the reporters, who by the nature of their trade are intelligent enough to have mastered their alphabet, to not have grasped the even more simple concept that terrorists blow children to bits so that they can get AP to take the photos. AP knows what it is doing. They just don't care.
#5
This is all over NPR this morning, they are banging it like a drum.
It has the distinct reek of a Jenin-like "set-up" to me, and I have gotten to the point where I can't credit anything reported by the MSM if Hisbollah, or Hamas or any of the usual suspects had a part in handing the story to them.
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I think people are getting more clued in to the use of human shields and the tragic consequences and are starting to blame the ones using the civilians as shields. Certainly US viewers are long past being manipulated by these tactics.
That said, unless there is evidence that Hez kept these people there at gunpoint-- and there has been some-- I have little sympathy. Israel dropped leaflets. These villagers only needed to walk about 20 miles in 2 weeks to get out of the way. Lebanon is full of people who play the victim card rather than taking responsibilty for their own condition.
It amazes me that the Lebanese government has taken to praising Hez, which they made no serious effort to disarm or control, even though it has provoked Israel on behalf of Iran and Syria. The cravenness and weakness of the political class in the region seems to ensure things like this happen.
Really, Leb would be better off if the whole place were run by Hez. So would Israel. If Hez had sovereignty I think they'd actually be more likely to show restraint and respect borders because the entire country would be a free fire zone and the IDF would not be trying to plink HEz bunkers here and there as they are now. Normally, I'd be concerned that a Hez government would let Iranian military into Leb but that's already happened.
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How is it possible that the AP hasn't figured it out by now? It's not.
They know. But if they report it, they won't be granted access to "report" anymore, and we'd be denied the incredibly important Islamist propaganda we're getting from them now.
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good snark RC. With straight font too :-)
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Israel Defense Forces troops on Saturday killed two wanted Palestinian militants belonging to the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade in a shootout in Nablus. Hani Awijan and Amid Al Masri opened fire on soldiers who called them to lay down their weapons. Awijan was killed on the spot and Al Masri was was wounded and later died of his wounds.
"Hokay youse two, drop da rods and come out witcher mitts in da air!"
"Go screw, you Zionist scum, we ain't coming out!"
"Hokay." [BLAM] [Ka-BOOM] [Rat-a-tat-tat-tat] [Ka-BOOM] [THUMP]
"Owwwwww ...."
And now, to illustrate the difference between the IDF and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades ...
"Killing, burning and fire"
On Friday, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibilty for the murder of a 60-year-old Israeli man near the West Bank city of Qalqilya. An initial police investigation indicates that the victim, Daniel Ya'akovi, was kidnapped by terrorists Thursday when he brought in his car to be fixed in the village of Fundak, Israel Radio reported Friday.
Police found Ya'akovi's body Thursday in the trunk of a burnt car with Israeli license plates. Ya'akovi is from the West Bank settlement of Yakir and is survived by his wife, four children and 12 grandchildren.
"He was killed because Israel has spared no Palestinian," Al-Aqsa said in a statement. "This is a message of fire -- a burning message to the occupation. Killing, burning and fire."
The IDF kills young men with guns. The AAMB kills an old man looking to fix a car. Questions?
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Wasn't this guy the doctor who gave free medical service to Palestinians? We can save lots of space by shortening Brave Lions of Islam(TM) to just BLI.
An Israel Air Force aircraft bombed the homes of two Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip on Sunday, wounding two people, witnesses said. One missile struck the house of the leader of the Popular Resistance Committees in Beit Hanun in northern Gaza, the coalition of militants said. Flying debris and glass wounded the militant's brother and sister-in-law in a neighboring house.
Israel had warned the Popular Resistance leader to leave his home half an hour before the strike, the witnesses said. "It was a facility used to store weaponry," an Israel Defense Forces
spokeswoman said, confirming the attack.
Awfully nice to warn him. I wouldn't have.
In a separat strike a little over an hour earlier, an IAF aircraft fired a missile into a house in a Hamas stronghold in Gaza City, but there were no casualties, Palestinian witnesses said. Witnesses said the Hamas member had received a warning call from the Israel Defense Forces shortly before the attack and evacuated his family and alerted his neighbors. The house was destroyed but nobody was hurt.
Another warning? Who's running the IDF today, Barney the Purple Dinosaur?
An IDF spokeswoman confirmed an air strike had targeted a structure used by Islamic militant group Hamas, which controls the Palestinian government, without elaborating.
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I wanted to post this link too, because I find it incredible to see that the strange leaders of Israel now think that they have to warn terrorists before destroying their homes where they are no more thanks to these warnings!!!
How can they hope to destroy Hamas, if they help Hamas terrorists to escape elimination ?
There is something weird in this behaviour.
Has Israel became a "SOS-Terrorists" charitable organization ?
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This just can't be true. You'll never get anywhere doing this before every action. This is not the IDF that I have come to know and love. But then I thought:
Two choices:
1) The IDF is run by Barney the Purple Dinosaur and this is the way things will be from now on.
2) These guys or someone who knew them were informants and this was part of the deal.
Feel free to copy and distribute this as much as you wish.
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Proportionate response. PRC has been threatening to join in with the active attacks going on right now. IAF a) is warning them not to and b) is destroying some of the materiel.
In order to have international willingness to tolerate their campaign against Hezb and Hamas, Israel has to not obviously be bombing the hell out of everyone. This sort of action demonstrates proportionality, which is keeping the Euros more or less quiet during the last two weeks.
NABLUS, West Bank - Israeli troops killed a top leader of the radical Islamic Jihad in a West Bank raid Saturday, the group said, and the Israelis pressed ahead with their offensive in the Gaza Strip. Islamic Jihad said the leader of its militant wing in Nablus, Hani Awijan, 29, was killed by Israeli undercover troops. They came to arrest him while he was playing soccer with friends and relatives, the group said. Another Islamic Jihad militant was also killed.
So long Hani, and say 'hi' to Yassar and Himmler for us.
The army confirmed soldiers operated in Nablus and said a militant was killed in an exchange of fire.
"You'll never — Ow! Ow! Ouch! — take me — Aaaaiiiieeee! — alive, coppers!"
Israel Radio said Awijan was responsible for a series of attacks on Israelis. Over the past 17 months, Islamic Jihad has been responsible for all 12 suicide bombing attacks in Israel, killing 71 people. Islamic Jihad announced Awijan's death from mosque loudspeakers.
"Attention in the West Bank! Hani Awijan is dead! That is all!"
"Wot? Wot's that? Dead, y'say?"
"Deader'n a brick. That is all."
As news of the raid spread through Nablus, large crowds gathered and seethed. Militants made faces burned tires in the streets and rolled their eyes called for a general strike in the city. Shops were quickly closed.
"Get the shutters down, Fatima, the militants are seething again!"
"How they gonna have a strike? They got no jobs not to go to!"
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Celebrate good times, come on! It's a celebration
Celebrate good times, come on! Let's celebrate
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Dead Islamic Jihad leader works for me. Go IDF! It is almost comforting how these terrorist nitwits never realize how the 6:1 loss of life ratio favoring the Israelis just isn't going to pay off for them in the long run. What it amounts to is a long, slow and thorough chlorinating of the terrorist meme carrying gene pool. Good riddance.
The Lebanese army opened fire on Israeli helicopters trying to land near a town in the Bekaa valley, preventing them from setting down, Lebanese security sources and witnesses said. The four helicopters appeared to be trying to land Israeli soldiers near the town of Yammouni, they said. The helicopters flew away before Israeli warplanes launched air raids on the area, the sources said.
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Even more eye opening than the expected Leabonese soldgiers being in the Hezbollah pocket in thier area of operation is the fact
ISREAL IS RUNNING ON THE GROUND OPS IN THE BEKAA?
Makes you wonder how much of the odd actions by the Israeli military on the border in out looking weak wispering wanting a truce ect... is just propoganda for battle field prep.
(IsraelNN.com) Senior IDF officers told reporters a short time ago that there is a contradiction in the timing of the bombing of the village of Kana and reports of the explosion that killed more than 50 civilians and set off world-wide condemnation of Israel. Air Force Commander Amir Eshel left open the possibility that Hizbullah terrorists blew up the building or that an unknown cause set off explosives which were stored in the structure.
He explained that recorded information shows that Israeli Air Force planes bombed the building between midnight and 1 a.m. and that the next attack at 7:30 a.m. was up to 500 yards away. He said reports of the killing of civilians came around 8 a.m. "It is not clear what happened" between 1 a.m. and 8 a.m., he said.
Brigadier General Ido Nehushtan pointed out that Hizbullah terrorists have fired more than 150 rockets from the village of Kana since the beginning of the war.
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at worst it's a tragic incident caused by the basing of Hezb offensive weapons amongst civilians - a cowardly and totally Islamic action. At best, it was staged. Either way, Israel is not to blame
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We're way past the point where the U.S. should announce to the world that any basing of launchers or ammo dumps in or around residential structures will be considered a war crime, and shit will flow all the way downhill to the mullahs in Iran and the money donors in Saudi Arabia for fomenting said war crimes. And aiders and abbetors at the UN better also watch out. We have room at Gitmo for all of them.
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It won't matter how much proof Israel shows absolving themselves - the story's been told, the big lie has spanned the globe. It's not about reality, only perceptions.
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No link, but, FWIW, Stratfor's latest email missive says they think (not sure) Israel is moving north in force now to "defeate Hez in detail." Hope so.
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Even if the proximate cause of death may have been IAF action, the fundamental cause is Hizb'Allah use of residential areas to commit acts of war and thereby making civilians pawns of their terrorist activities. Lebanon is literally the hostage of Hizb'Allah -- and the Islamofascist are hiding behind their hostages to launch rockets at Israel.
It should also be repeated that Hizb'Allah is a terrorist group -- responsible for the murder of children and women on both sides of the border.
I hope Israel has the fortitude to stay the course and keep fighting for its own survival. If they fail, Europe will fall soon after, and there will be no place on Earth safe from Islamofascist terror. I believe Bush, Blair, and Howard understand that.
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Aug. 22nd is the date the Iranians have said they will respond to the latest proposal by the Western nations on the uranium enrichment issue. They have hinted that particular date is somehow significant to them, but have not said why. People are speculating, and also nervous.
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doubt that Iran is capable of conducting a nuclear test
they might fire a missile but that wouldn't be as big a deal
Aug 22 corresponds this year with Rajab 27 which is thought to be the date that Saladin entered Jerusalem. However, Saladin was actually of Kurdish ancestry so I'm not sure this works.
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They're up to something ever there. They've got the entire population stirred up and seething. Telegraphing their intentions in advance isn't too bright however. I suspect it could be something very nasty in Iraq, possibly Baghdad. Or something sinister in Israel. Missile launches or airliner suicide bombing. Who knows. HB is their proxy and their proxy is headed for the ropes. They have to do something.
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There is speculation that the President of Iran believes the Imam Mahdi will "return" on that day leading to a period of Islamic conquest of the world.
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We're way past the point where the U.S. should announce to the world that any basing of launchers or ammo dumps in or around residential structures will be considered a war crime
WTF is the point? Under accepted rules of war, civilians or not, children or not, a contracting party has the right to destroy any military munitions and supplies, even if it is aware civilians, even children might be killed.
It's black letter law.
The onus for the deaths are firmly in the hands of Hezbollah, Syria, Lenanon and Iran, not the IDF.
The actions of the IDF to destroy there targets are proper and defensible under every international statute known.
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#17: "The actions of the IDF to destroy there targets are proper and defensible under every international statute known."
Not true, Badanov. You forgot the well-known international law that Israel is always at fault no matter what happens and no matter who actually did it.
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This site is raising questions about the sequence of events. It would be great if this would undeniably unravel.
#26
Remember the Maine! The ship fell victim to either a Zionist infernal machine or poor quality Jewish coal! Or bad coal bunker baffling.... likely with someone of the Hebrew persuasion in the design process.
#31
Even if Israel proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is all pallywood or Hez blew these people up themseves the MSM will never report it -- so the lie that its Israel's fault will stand in most people's eyes.
(IsraelNN.com) Senior IDF officers told reporters a short time ago that there is a contradiction in the timing of the bombing of the village of Kana and reports of the explosion that killed more than 50 civilians and set off world-wide condemnation of Israel. Brigadier General Ido Nehushtan left open the possibility that Hizbullah terrorists blew up the building with civilians inside in order to blame Israel.
He explained that recorded information shows that Israeli Air Force planes bombed targets between midnight and 1 a.m. and again at 7:30 a.m. but that the targets which killed civilians were up to 500 yards away during the second attack, when the building was demolished. "It is not clear what happened," he said.
The IDF pointed out that more than Hizbullah terrorists have fired more than 150 rockets from the village of Kana since the beginning of the war.
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Wrong. That's why we now have this stupid 24-48 hour cessation of air ops by Israel.
They have totally screwed up this war or their victory is being kept the biggest secret since the Manhattan Project. We are going to pay for this down the road with very stiff interest.
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Maybe Israel could hire a bunch of these, before firing the hair trigger apology gun. They sure could use the help.
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THIS is the picture that damns Hezbollah. It is one of several, smuggled from behind Lebanon's battle lines, showing that Hezbollah is waging war amid suburbia. The images, obtained exclusively by the Sunday Herald Sun, show Hezbollah using high-density residential areas as launch pads for rockets and heavy-calibre weapons. Dressed in civilian clothing so they can quickly disappear, the militants carrying automatic assault rifles and ride in on trucks mounted with cannon. The photographs, from the Christian area of Wadi Chahrour in the east of Beirut, were taken by a visiting journalist and smuggled out by a friend.
They emerged as:
US President George Bush called for an international force to be sent to Lebanon.
ISRAEL called up another 30,000 reserve troops.
THE UN's humanitarian chief Jan Egeland called for a three-day truce to evacuate civilians and transport food and water into cut-off areas.
US SECRETARY of State Condoleezza Rice returned to the Middle East to push a UN resolution aimed at ending the 18-day war, and:
A PALESTINIAN militant group said it had kidnapped, killed and burned an Israeli settler in the West Bank.
The images include one of a group of men and youths preparing to fire an anti-aircraft gun metres from an apartment block with sheets hanging out on a balcony to dry. Others show a militant with AK47 rifle guarding no-go zones after Israeli blitzes. Another depicts the remnants of a Hezbollah Katyusha rocket in the middle of a residential block blown up in an Israeli air attack.
The Melbourne man who smuggled the shots out of Beirut and did not wish to be named said he was less than 400m from the block when it was obliterated. "Hezbollah came in to launch their rockets, then within minutes the area was blasted by Israeli jets," he said. "Until the Hezbollah fighters arrived, it had not been touched by the Israelis. Then it was totally devastated. It was carnage. Two innocent people died in that incident, but it was so lucky it was not more."
The release of the images comes as Hezbollah faces criticism for allegedly using innocent civilians as "human shields". Mr Egeland blasted Hezbollah as "cowards" for operating among civilians. "When I was in Lebanon, in the Hezbollah heartland, I said Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending in among women and children," he said.
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Before it began bombing Lebanon, Israel had the media spotlight to itself.
They should have stated the obvious about Hezb's use of human shields.
Israel screws this up every time. I even think the lower level folks know that this is a problem but the ministerial level is too egotistical to listen.
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Perhaps it will take the loss of every single Lebanese and Palestinian civilian life for them to realize that the terrorists more often take the lives of those they purport to side with. If so, tough sh!t. Live by the sword and effing well die by it, morons! At least Bush has it right this time. No cease-fire until there is some sort of commitment by the terrorists. Temporary truce = hudna.
These photos (with appropriate captions) need to be air-dropped all over the Lebanese border. Too bad they'll never show up in the mainstream media. Thanks again, Rantburg.
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Concerning the ugly habit of Hezbollah of using civilians as shields, I have found 4 sensational videos on the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs site.
Just look at it: you will see the speed and number of rockets fired at Israel, from civilian areas.
Lebanese protesters broke into the U.N. headquarters in Beirut on Sunday, smashing windows and ransacking offices, after an Israeli air strike killed 54 people in south Lebanon. Several thousand people massed outside the building in downtown Beirut chanting "Death to Israel, death to America. We sacrifice our blood and souls for Lebanon."
"Death to Israel, death to America. We sacrifice our blood and souls for Lebanon."
Geir Petersen, the personal representative of U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan in Lebanon, condemned the Israeli attack on the village of Qana and called for an immediate investigation. "I strongly condemn today's killing of tens of civilians by Israeli shelling of residential buildings in the village of Qana," he said. He was not in building when it was attacked. By late afternoon, all the protesters had drifted away.
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This whole deal was on the news this morning when I woke up, great way to start the day.
This is one of the crazier deals I've seen in awhile.
1st, Hezbullah hides amoung civilians. No news there. Everyone on the planet knows this is how they opperate.
2nd, IDF blows up building to get at Hezbullah thugs and regretably it appears some innocents were killed also. War is hell!
3rd, and this is what really gets me, instead of condeming Hezbullah like they should they blame it all on Israel & the US, (no surprise in any of this)by breaking into the UN building? What the hell other than coverage on the news, can they hope to accomplish bu attacking the property of the UN?
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Notice they steer clear of the U.S. Embassy? The "Brave Lions" of Islam don't want to get their asses shot off because we don't play that way anymore.
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Time to teach these effing idiots just who's the big dog on the block. Time for an ARCLIGHT strike right through the center of Beirut, followed by napalm over the crushed and destroyed buildings. If these idiots want total war, it's time to give it to them. I doubt there will be any requests for seconds.
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And Gaza as well. Giving a new meaning to the expression "biting the hand that feeds you".
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Sometimes I do think that before long the big stick will have to be wheeled out and demonstrated. A terrible day.
But you have to consider it like slapping a hysterical person.
These people are hysterical. Between this UN thing which was weird and that guy in seattle killing the canary,,,,,,,,,,
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Hizbullah's top commander in southern Lebanon is a veteran Fatah operative who was very close to former Palestinian Authority leader Yasser Arafat when the PLO was based in Beirut, Fatah officials said over the weekend. They identified the man as Imad Mughniyeh, a former officer in Arafat's Force 17 presidential guard who has been in charge of Hizbullah's military operations in south Lebanon for the past decade.
"Imad Mughniyeh is the overall commander of the Islamic Resistance [Hizbullah's armed wing] in southern Lebanon," said a Fatah official who said he knew Mughniyeh well during the '70s and '80s. "He's nicknamed tha'lab [the fox], and today he's considered the second important figure in Hizbullah after Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah. We're very proud to have a Palestinians holding such a high position in Hizbullah," the Fatah official said.
Mughniyeh, who is believed to have been behind the abduction of the two IDF soldiers on July 12, is also reported to be in charge of Hizbullah's rocket unit in south Lebanon. The unit has fired more than 1,600 rockets at Israel during the current violence. When the IDF forced the PLO to leave Lebanon in 1982, Arafat entrusted Mughniyeh with transferring the organization's weapons to Lebanese militias allied with the Palestinians.
Mughniyeh, who refused to leave Beirut with the PLO leadership, joined the the Shi'ite Amal militia headed by Nabih Berri. He and Nasrallah, who was then a member of Amal, later left the movement to form Hizbullah. Born in the Lebanese city of Tyre in 1962, Mughniyeh did not attract attention until 1976, when he joined Force 17 as a sniper targeting Christians on the Green Line dividing West and East Beirut. Mugniyah has since been implicated in numerous terrorist attacks against the US, France and Israel, in which hundreds of people have been killed. These include three in 1983: the bombings of the US Embassy in Beirut and barracks housing US Marines and French paratroopers who were part of the Multinational Force in Lebanon.
He has also been linked to the Karine A weapons ship that Arafat tried to use to smuggle arms into the Gaza Strip in 2001. On October 10, 2001 Mughniyeh appeared on the FBI's first "Top 22 Most Wanted Terrorists" list. A reward of $25 million was offered for information leading to his capture.
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You know when I first read the title to this post I thought it was refering to Mrs. Arapig. Yikes!
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Ezekiel 27 puts the King of Tyre on a fine vessel in the heart of the seas:
Say to Tyre, situated at the gateway to the sea, merchant of peoples on many coasts, This is what the Sovereign LORD says:
You say, O Tyre, I am perfect in beauty.
Your domain was on the high seas; your builders brought your beauty to perfection.
They made all your timbers of pine trees from Senir; they took a cedar from Lebanon to make a mast for you.
Of oaks from Bashan they made your oars; of cypress wood£ from the coasts of Cyprus£ they made your deck, inlaid with ivory.
Fine embroidered linen from Egypt was your sail and served as your banner; your awnings were of blue and purple from the coasts of Elishah.
Men of Sidon and Arvad were your oarsmen; your skilled men, O Tyre, were aboard as your seamen.
Veteran craftsmen of Gebal£ were on board as shipwrights to caulk your seams.
All the ships of the sea and their sailors came alongside to trade for your wares.
Men of Persia, Lydia and Put served as soldiers in your army.
They hung their shields and helmets on your walls, bringing you splendor.
I'd look for a fine mothership at sea....Israel has had 80 maritime attacks so far.
All this is very sad. But this is the result of enabling and/or supporting Hezb'Allah. Blame is shared by anyone who sides with Hezb'Allah, the Syrian and Iranian governments, and anyone who agreed to the empty promises of disarming Hezb'Allah but didn't follow through with their commitments in the UN resolutions. The fact that this blame is shared so broadly does not reduce any individual's culpability. Israel didn't wake up one morning with a half-baked notion to sit in bomb shelters and attack Hezb'Allah. Reading this, you can see some of the forces at play in Lebanese and muslim society that are dishonoring the dead by taking advantage of this grim situation to perpetuate this mindset until they are all destroyed or they figure it out and do away with it. This whole thing looks staged to me, and many reporters are going to be complicit. The short-sighted will read the lines, and the more far-sighted will read the lines and between the lines as well.
TYRE, Lebanon (CNN) -- Eight days ago, the Lebanese Army buried 87 bodies in a mass grave in the city of Tyre. Today, they are laying another 34 in the ground.
Everyone is covering their face to keep out the stench as Lebanese soldiers remove dozens of bodies from the back of a truck. The first body is a day-old baby -- killed in an Israeli airstrike, according to the Lebanese Army. On her coffin a marking shows she had no name. (Watch as Tyre buries its dead -- 2:13)
They've lined up the coffins on the sidewalk; each has either a name or a marking that says "unknown." (Watch as Cal Perry describes the reality of covering the conflict -- 2:58)
All have numbers. Coffin No. 104 has three names on it - Ali, Mohammed and Talib - all children. Nearby, Fatawi Horani is screaming and crying. Her granddaughter Marim, 15, was killed, she says, while trying to flee the fighting.
Three soldiers begin to struggle with a large body bag. Maggots are pouring from the bag - blood is seeping onto the ground. When they get the body into the coffin, the lid arches as doctors hammer nails into it. Maggots and blood? I wonder. In any case, just how long have you been holding onto this one?
Children are beginning to gather. It is images such as these that pass down a hatred of Israel to another generation. Err, what about the people who drove Israel to this? Don't forget to tell your kids about that.
A little girl, Maana, is standing nearby, a bandage on her left arm. Her father tells me she was wounded by Israeli jets - but all the passengers in the car in front of them were killed.
Without having to count, it's clear that more members of the international press are here than bodies being buried. Journalists were asked to come here to witness the collected horror. Staged?
A Shiite sheik arrives and begins talking to members of the media. I pull him aside and ask him one question: "What message would you send to the people of America?" "Israel?" he asks. "No," I reply. "America."
"I love the people of America. It's the government I hate. Tell the American people that we received their gift. The missile that they gave to Israel - we have received it, and this is the result," he says, motioning to the coffins. So just what are you trying to say?
I thank him, but he says nothing to me - just glares, turns abruptly and walks away. Very dramatic. Remember, Cal, he's a near-sighted thinker.
The mayor says that the bodies will be buried here temporarily. When the fighting stops, relatives will be able to come claim their dead and bury them in their hometowns. So the can dig them up if they want to. That would be handy for that case in Iraq right now.
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This could be another case of Pallywood - Hizbollah style. Its been done before - dropped corpses getting up and climing back on the funeral bier and all.
BTW: So where were the International Journalists when the Israli civilians were deliberately targetted and killed by rockets and homocide bombers?
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So where were the International Journalists when the Israli civilians were deliberately targeted
They were busy collecting their checks from news organizations who make a buisness of killing children to shape foreign policy. Do you have a problem with that?
#3
Once again, I make it a point that it is a wise decision on the part of the US military not to permit the gratuitous photography of the dead.
Friendly or enemy dead, it does not matter the circumstances, it always works against the civilized army of the civilized nation. Even those who understand the context of why it happened are repelled--because civilized people are not brutes.
We reject and abhor terrorism, using civilians as human shields, casual murder of women and children to further some fanatical goal. And we make the false assumption that our enemy, being human, hold the same beliefs.
So it is a great paradox that the revulsion we feel when looking at such photographs, is against those who try and prevent such massacre; instead of against those who actually promulgate it.
We damn the police officers who shoot back, not the faceless mass murderers who use hostages as human shields to fire on the innocent crowd.
#4
Hezb has had enough. They want a hudna. They orchestrated this killing in order to force the world to make the Israelis stop. I hope the rest of the world is smart enough to see through such a transparent strategy but I strongly doubt it. What matters, though, is whether GWB is. I'm hoping so because I really want to see Hezb smashed beyond any hope of recovery. I'd like to see them exterminated--that's right, exterminated, killed right down to the last murdering Muzzy bastard. That's what they intend for Israel, complete extermination, and they've never made any secret of it. It's come to that point--it's them or Israel, and I pray to God Israel realizes the situation is that serious and acts accordingly.
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TYRE, Lebanon (CNN) -- Eight days ago, the Lebanese Army buried 87 bodies in a mass grave in the city of Tyre. Today, they are laying another 34 in the ground.
Should look up what Alexander did to the population of Tyre after storming it.
#6
Anyone notice, the numbers for the coffins are always in English? Seems to me, English isn't the first language of any of these people, so why the English numbering system? For the cameras? Just say'n
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Mmmm... and that can't have been blood leaking from a bag with a very dead body in it, surely? Fluids of a sort, but not blood. I cant't watch CSI these days without tossing my cookies, but I have read enough of dear Dame Agatha, and the erudite Miss Dorothy S to know that dead bodies do not bleed for very long after becoming...er, dead. Damn careless writing, this, or someone has done a little unneccessary set dressing.
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After one has died, blood coagulation breaks down and fluid (mostly plasma mixed with some red blood cells) leaks out. This can start an hour after death.
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Are you talking about the use of Arabic numerals instead of Roman?
AFAIK, arabic numerals are not used in arabic. This is for international teevee, exactly as the english slogans during demonstration, which by the way denote organization and preplanning.
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AFAIK, arabic numerals are not used in arabic.
There are Arabic numerals, and then "Arabic" numerals. The numerals we use are "Arabic". See here for a comparison of Arabic numerals with our numerals (top two rows).
I assume that real Arabic numerals are used routinely when writing in Arabic. I see them on coins and paper money from (duh) Arab countries; I suppose it's possible that they're only used in special circumstances like that. (The Arab money very often has "Arabic" numerals on it too.)
Somehow, somewhere Hezbollah really needs to have this carnage laid at their feet. Until that happens, it's all the usual smoke and mirrors. For myself, it is impossible to feel the least sadness about this. The vast majority of these civilians carry forward the endless cycle of hatred and anti-Semitism. Until they can embrace some sense of cooperation and co-existence, they are all SOL. If all of them have to die because of their collective inability to understand this, so be it. I no longer have any patience for such intolerance.
Baghdad, Jul. 28 Members of the Kurdish rebel group PKK have killed five Iranian soldiers in the northwest of the country, Kurdistan Television reported on Thursday. The clashed took place near the town of Qaleh Rash in Iranian Kurdistan Province. Three other soldiers were injured, according to the report.
The PKK has announced that four of its members were also killed in the fighting.
I really hate to have to choose between the Mad Mullahs and the PKK.
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"I really hate to have to choose between the Mad Mullahs and the PKK."
At least the PKK ain's crazy.
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kinda like choosing between Cindy Sheehan and Howard Dean.
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At least the PKK ain's crazy.
They are crazy as loons. Their religion is different, but dangerous the same. It was responsible for death of 100 million people during the last century.
I say let them be helpfull to each other in mutual clearing of their respective gene pools. ;-)
#7
kinda like choosing between Cindy Sheehan and Howard Dean.
Is there no one else left in the bar at 2AM? Is it possible that such a (shudder) choice would have to be made? ugh. If that's the choice on the table, wouldn't it be best to walk away and go home to sleep alone? The possiblity for contracting disease far outweighs any possible consequence of getting involved.
An unmanned Israeli military drone crashed into the mountains near Beirut on Friday, state-run Lebanese media reported. An Israeli warplane then pounded the area and destroyed the crashed drone, said the reports.
Meanwhile, Israel's best-selling Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper reported on its website that the Israeli army said the drone crashed "apparently as a result of malfunction" and was not shot down by enemy fire. An Israeli warplane destroyed the drone after it crashed to prevent it from falling into the hands of Hezbollah, the report added.
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IDF Pussies vacate Bint Jubeil after suffering heavy losses. Gee... nice eh!... just that debka.com only says IDF Vacates Bint Jubeil and doesn't talk about the heavy losses that the Israeli military has suffered. 18 days into the conflict and the Hizbullah is well and alive!. IDF Pussies, who usually fight 'paleos' in occupied Palestine, are now getting an idea of their own worth. Let's see some long reach rockets blowing up in TelAviv!
#6
I'm sure we have a bag of Troll Snax back here somewhere. It's the extra-hard kibble for nervous chewers. Oh yeah, and here's the rubber chew toys too.
We do have a kennel run open, but I'm not sure Fred wants us to feed and kennel the trolls ... and I'm absolutely SURE he doesn't want us breeding them.
ah yes. Poor Islamists. They've been working so hard to prepare for this moment, like little busy bees since Carter was in office. How many years was that? Gosh, many people in power today weren't even born then. And then, in only 18 days the IDF "pussies" push into Hezbollah borders, target strike them to kingdom come, and the best Hezbollah can do is to throw 20th century cannon balls at them and brag that Iran is working on a nuke. Hmmm, didn't we use one of those, what, a century ago?
The west hasn't even begun to fight. Damascus will be rubble. bummer.
#9
Why is it the trolls always jump to the "your a Pussy" arguement so fast? I thought that stopped in 7th grade. Oh well, one in every crowd.
The great thing about the UAV was there was no pilot or crew on board. The guy who was flying it is now drinking coffee and taking the ribbing from his peers and filling out the AAR's so he won't do it again. There is no family mourning the loss and no loss in troop strength. Gotta love them.
As for the troll, if you feel that strong go to Leb and join the Hezbullah. For once in your life do something other than bitch and complain. The Hezbullah don't call the jews pussies, they at least act.
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#9: Why is it the trolls always jump to the "your a Pussy" arguement so fast? I thought that stopped in 7th grade. Oh well, one in every crowd.
It's always good to listen to your Enemy's insults, it tells you what THEY fear.
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Troll House cookies? Here have some more. Good with milk. Here, we have cow milk, goat milk, soy milk. Here, left over from the 60s---Mah Raney's Moleskin cookies. They're all kosher, halal, USDA Grade A. Dive in folks.
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U.S.-led coalition forces and Afghan police killed 20 suspected Taliban in the latest fighting to hit southern Afghanistan, as NATO on Sunday prepared to take command in the insurgency-wracked region. 
SCOTLAND YARD has placed one of its Muslim officers on restricted duties while it investigates intelligence that he may have attended a terror camp linked to Al-Qaeda in Pakistan. The policeman who firmly denies the allegations is said by police sources to be one of three Muslim officers questioned in a Yard search for terror sleeper cells in its ranks.
SEATTLE - The man suspected in a fatal shooting rampage hid behind a potted plant in a Jewish charity's foyer and forced his way through a security door by holding a gun to a 13-year-old girl's head, authorities said Saturday. Once inside, police say, 
He was 5 when he first fired an M-16, his father holding him to brace against the recoil. At 17 he enlisted in the Marine Corps, spurred by the memory of 9/11. Now, 21-year-old Galen Wilson has 20 confirmed kills in four months in Iraq and another 40 shots that probably killed insurgents. One afternoon the lance corporal downed a man hauling a grenade launcher five-and-a-half football fields away. Wilson is the designated marksman in a company of Marines based in downtown Ramadi, watching over what Marines call the most dangerous neighborhood in the most dangerous city in the world. Here, Sunni Arab insurgents are intent on toppling the local government protected by Marines.
A Turkish military unit entered northern Iraq earlier this week, with the aim of launching an operation against members of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) who have found shelter in the mountainous region; however, the unit left the region a short time later, according to separate reports by different agencies based in Arbil and Ankara. The unit crossed Iraq's borders near the village of Kveste -- the nearest town is Amediye, 45 miles northeast of the northern Iraqi city of Dohuk -- on Wednesday night, an online news agency based in Arbil, known as the media organ of the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), reported, citing unidentified sources. The same sources noted that no confrontations or pursuit took place and that the Turkish military unit left the region after a few hours, the Peyamner News Agency reported.
THE governing Palestinian movement Hamas has vowed to carry out attacks on Israel that could include suicide bombings in response to an Israeli air strike on the Lebanese village of Qana that killed at least 51 civilians. "In the face of this open war against the Arab and Muslim nations all options are open, including striking the depth of the Zionist entity," Mushir al-Masri, a senior Hamas MP, told Reuters. 
An Israel Air Force aircraft bombed the homes of two Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip on Sunday, wounding two people, witnesses said. One missile struck the house of the leader of the Popular Resistance Committees in Beit Hanun in northern Gaza, the coalition of militants said. Flying debris and glass wounded the militant's brother and sister-in-law in a neighboring house.
The images include one of a group of men and youths preparing to fire an anti-aircraft gun metres from an apartment block with sheets hanging out on a balcony to dry. Others show a militant with AK47 rifle guarding no-go zones after Israeli blitzes. Another depicts the remnants of a Hezbollah Katyusha rocket in the middle of a residential block blown up in an Israeli air attack.
Lebanese protesters broke into the U.N. headquarters in Beirut on Sunday, smashing windows and ransacking offices, after an Israeli air strike killed 54 people in south Lebanon. Several thousand people massed outside the building in downtown Beirut chanting "Death to Israel, death to America. We sacrifice our blood and souls for Lebanon." 
Hizbullah's top commander in southern Lebanon is a veteran Fatah operative who was very close to former Palestinian Authority leader Yasser Arafat when the PLO was based in Beirut, Fatah officials said over the weekend. They identified the man as 
Baghdad, Jul. 28 Members of the Kurdish rebel group PKK have killed five Iranian soldiers in the northwest of the country, Kurdistan Television reported on Thursday. The clashed took place near the town of Qaleh Rash in Iranian Kurdistan Province. Three other soldiers were injured, according to the report.
An unmanned Israeli military drone crashed into the mountains near Beirut on Friday, state-run Lebanese media reported. An Israeli warplane then pounded the area and destroyed the crashed drone, said the reports.
