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Arabia
Experts to map blueprint for 'Arab world in 2020'
Leading thinkers, statesmen, academics and decision-makers will gather in Dubai this December to map out a blueprint for what the Arab world would look like in the year 2020.
A thin sheet of glass?
Oh, certainly not. Six inches thick, at least...
The Arab Strategy Forum will form the platform for the discussions, debate and policy deliberations in Dubai from December 13 to 15, 2004. "Heads of state, dictators, key cabinet ministers, thugs, chiefs of leading public authorities, kleptocrats, non-government organisations, shamans, academics, idiot relatives, experts, mouthpieces, opinion-influencers and Mahmoud decision-makers from the private sector from the world over will gather in Dubai to discuss the future of the Arab world," said Nabil Al Yousuf, Vice-Chairman of the Arab Strategy Forum Organising Committee. The Arab Strategy Forum will be held under the overall theme of 'The Arab World in 2020. "The Arab Strategy Forum will help present a clear scenario of what challenges and opportunities will the Arab world face in its march into the future. We hope to learn from it to plan for a better future for all of us," said Al Yousuf.
Session 1: why we need look no further than the Holy Quran.
Think tanks will become the core themes of the discussions. The forum will discuss and outline what are the key factors that influence the region's regimes and what are the trends in governance. It will also discuss political reform and development and the march towards genuine democracy as well as the impact of the shift towards transparency. One of the other subjects to be covered under the overall theme is the impact of internal developments in one country — as is the case with Iraq presently — on their neighbours and the region.
Session 2: Why democracy in an Arab state threatens the rest of us.
The Arab Strategy Forum is divided into different sessions on the three days it will be held. The first day will see discussions on 'Security in the Arab World in 2020'. Most Arab countries have developed agreements with countries and blocs outside the Arab world, which has resulted in increased regional tension and instability. Historic border disputes too force increased military spending.
Session 3: Why all Arabs are brothers. Heavily-armed brothers.
"We look forward to the delegates and speakers answering some of the questions that we need to know so that we can effectively plan for the future," said Nabil Al Yousuf. The Forum would debate the issue whether 'war on terrorism' has resulted in some Arab countries or institutions becoming the targets for military actions. It will also look at whether an Arab or even an AGCC security alliance or bloc is possible by 2020; the possible effect of Arab—Israeli conflict on security and stability; the economic costs of instability and the effects of a long term US presence in Iraq.
Session 4: Why killing Joooos isn't terrorism.
The day two (December 14) would focus on business and economy with speakers debating 'Globalisation of Economies and Business in 2020 — The Future of Economic and Financial Reform in the Arab World.' Arab countries have implemented major initiatives for economic reform to attract foreign investments and to redeploy privatisation revenues for development. The varied effectiveness of such measures has resulted in major gaps in economic performance among the Arab governments. In successful cases, the growth has been mainly government-led. This raises the question about sustainability.
Session 5: Why the good old days are good enough.
Al Yousuf pointed out that these and other issues will be raised and answered providing regional government with ideas on how to adapt and formulate development policies. The second session of the day will cover the 'Economic and Trade Policies in the Arab World in 2020' and the crucial role of 'Energy in 2020 — The future of Oil and Gas'. Issues such as an Arab free trade zone and economic integration and the effectiveness of the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (Opec) will be dealt with in these sessions, Al Yousuf said.
Session 6: How to exploit the West before the oil runs out.

It probably won't happen by 2020, but I'm wondering if eventually there will not be an "Arab world." We're three years into the War on Terror, the first time there's been real Western pressure on the Arab and Moose limb world, and already there are cracks showing — fine little fissures as yet, but still cracks. Qadhafi has decided he's not part of the Arab world anymore, has even worked himself up to the point where he's withdrawn from the Arab League, unless he's since changed his mind again. There's been a bit of agitation in Egypt against their blind identification with Arabians, pointing out that they're got their own history, thank you, and it doesn't start in Mecca. Lebanon has joined the Arab world, but still doesn't look comfortable in that position. Meanwhile, the Soddies are incrementally looking less and less like the leaders of all the Arabs. The Gulf States are richer per capita, more tolerant, and more modern. The elephant in that room is that their military is hollow. All they've got to offer is jihadi commanders and subversion. That's proving to be a powerful weapon, but if the denoument comes, their military's not going to stand up to a modern force — like Jordan's. There are dozens of diplomatic and poltical openings here, and I'm assuming that Powell and Marvin are exploiting at least some of them to the best of their ability.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/24/2004 12:40:44 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Arab World in 2020: same as in 1010, only with, like, trillions of petro-bucks?
Posted by: .com || 10/24/2004 1:13 Comments || Top||

#2  Experts to map blueprint for ‘Arab world in 2020’

That little description inset in the corner mentions only two specifications:

"Compliance with international law"

or,

"Glow-in-the-dark street lighting"
Posted by: Zenster || 10/24/2004 2:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Does the map look like many craters or just one big one?

I can never see how the Egyptians could identify with Islam after so much of their own history under Pharonic rule. Someone explain how "Egyptians" are Arab?
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/24/2004 3:04 Comments || Top||

#4  Through the fine art of conquest,SP.
Posted by: raptor || 10/24/2004 7:07 Comments || Top||

#5  Islam is in some ways the most successful Empire the Earth has ever seen and its goal is a world wide Empire. One would that crush the soul and spirit of mankind. For the Arab World of 2020 simply look at the Arab World of 1010 except they will be armed with nuclear weapons instead of scimitars
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/24/2004 8:25 Comments || Top||

#6  I don't see them in charge of their oil reserves by 2020. All your oil are belong to us
Posted by: Frank G || 10/24/2004 9:00 Comments || Top||

#7  I once asked if Libiyans were Arabs, one our local parasites assured me that anyone who speaks Arabic is Arab.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 10:08 Comments || Top||

#8  hmmm like .com? Ima suspicious
Posted by: Frank G || 10/24/2004 10:14 Comments || Top||

#9  I'm betting that, by 2020, they're going to meet with the Rev Maltus.
Posted by: Anonymous6092 || 10/24/2004 10:31 Comments || Top||

#10  ummmmm... No Frank. LOL.It was an eastern Med parasite, one that I have voided.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 10:36 Comments || Top||

#11  The Arab world in 2020. Well I think we'll see the authoritarians turn on each other. They can't fight the west and win, but when Saddam invades Kuwait, or Assad invades Lebanon they are cheared on by the Arab world. Remember that most Arabs Arabs think of themselves as living in a single Arab world that was chopped apart by the infidels who imposed illegitamate governments on them to keep them apart. An Arab leader that uses that as part of his propoganda could go far.

I bet overpopulated Egypt looks over at Libya's oil revenues from time to time with an envious eye. Their fancy American tanks probably couldn't defeat Israel or a western Army but they've might be able to take out Libya. The Arab world would cheer an Egyptian conquest of Libya. Does Tunisia have oil? They could be gobbled up pretty easily as well.

The entire world would cheer an Egyptian conquest of Sudan to stop the violence without those icky western nations getting involved. Chad wouldn't be much harder either, now that the French are in appeasement mode the Foreign Legion can be kept at bay politically. I'm talking one at a time of course, but you get the message.

The only catch is that Egypt has to avoid scaring Israel and Algeria in the process and to project a quasi-independence of your new puppets so that you maintain the large number of UN votes and votes in the Arab League.

If Iraq falls into authoritarianism again I would think underpopulated Saudi Arabia and Kuwait would be at serious risk. If the US allows Iraq to fall back into dictatorship we are unlikely to care much about the region any longer (and hopefully found an alternate source of energy by then).
Posted by: RJ Schwarz || 10/24/2004 10:42 Comments || Top||

#12  Dreaming up alternative futures is fun. How about the Hashemite king Abdullah ruling over the Sunni part of Iraq, Mecca and Medina, and most of Syria? The Saudis go back to being desert nomads.
Posted by: V is for Victory || 10/24/2004 12:51 Comments || Top||

#13  I'm in the US at the moment, Washington DC as a matter of fact. I've just spent a good few hours wandering around, seeing the sights (the White House and Lincoln Memorial) - hoorah!, the IRS - hiss, and the Air and Space museum - awesome!.

I find myself wondering how a bunch of illiterate psycopaths managed to get such leverage over such a country, and can only hope that if Bush gets in for a second term, he can start to extricate America from those parasites in the Middle East.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/24/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||

#14  Tony (UK), how long will you be in town? Please email me immediately. seafarious@yahoo.com.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/24/2004 16:31 Comments || Top||

#15  Osama Bin Laden and 9/11 are the worst nightmare the Islamists could imagine. Moving smoothly to infiltrate and eliminate the myriad corrupt "secular" governments, the Arab World (though cowardly as always) is now alert to the danger in its midst. The denouement of the Arab World as we know it would result from a treacherous terror attack on a Western site, or on Israel. The counter-attack will return the Muslim World to its 13th century hole from which it would not emerge for centuries.
Posted by: Tancred || 10/24/2004 16:38 Comments || Top||

#16  The counter-attack will return the Muslim World to its 13th century hole

A counter attack will not be necessary to achieve this, only a lower priced source of energy than oil.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 16:44 Comments || Top||


Suspension of Controversial Show on Arab TV Networks Stirs Row
A soap opera which sparked threats by an Islamist group was mired in more controversy yesterday when two Arab television networks accused the financiers and producers of breach of contract for failing to deliver more episodes. One network, the MBC (Middle East Broadcasting Center), launched a scathing attack on the series' Qatari financiers and Jordanian producers after it was forced to suspend broadcast of the new episodes of the "The Road to Kabul", a love story set in Taleban-ruled Afghanistan.

"We will strike, God willing, satellite channels showing this soap opera and their correspondents as well as their offices in Iraq and Syria..."
The Orbit network, which is also Saudi-owned, said it would sue "the financing and distributing party" without making clear if the lawsuit would be against both sides. "Qatar Television, which funded the series, and the Arab Audio-Visual Center, the producer and distributor, breached their commitment to deliver all the episodes before the date set for broadcasting during the (current fasting) month of Ramadan," MBC said. MBC said it had aired the eight episodes it had received but has now been forced to suspend the broadcasts "due to the refusal of the financing and producing companies to supply us the remaining episodes without giving a convincing reason." When MBC demanded to be handed the remaining episodes, it was told by Qatar TV that work on the soap had "stopped for technical reasons, which is not true at all and was publicly refuted by the series director ... and its producer," the Dubai-based station added.

Qatar's state television and its Jordanian counterpart said last week they would not broadcast "The Road to Kabul". A previously unknown group calling itself the Mujahedeen Brigades of Iraq and Syria has issued a stark warning to the program's makers in a statement posted on the Internet on the first day of Ramadan. "This is a warning for all those who contributed to making this soap opera, actors, producers, cameramen, if it contains insults to the Taleban. We will strike, God willing, satellite channels showing this soap opera and their correspondents as well as their offices in Iraq and Syria," the statement said.
Posted by: Fred || 10/24/2004 10:31:27 PM || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  “The Road to Kabul”, a love story set in Taleban-ruled Afghanistan.

Don't tell me...Hope and Crosby? Is Dorothy Lamour involved? Hubba hubba...
Posted by: mojo || 10/24/2004 2:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Damn it, Mojo. Ya beat me to it. I was ready to post the same thought. And here I am and it is only 2230 AST.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/24/2004 2:33 Comments || Top||

#3  You snooze, you lose. ')

AST? Astral Standard Time? Is that like HST, but without the drugs?

Enquiring minds...
Posted by: mojo || 10/24/2004 3:23 Comments || Top||

#4  The Road to Kabul
Bing martyrs himself on the dogleg 12th hole of the Kandahar CC, Bob in turn hides amongst the local Jihadis in Dorothys bourka.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 10:17 Comments || Top||

#5  does Danny Kaye cameo?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/24/2004 10:22 Comments || Top||


Britain
Scottish regiments 'betrayed' by Labour
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/24/2004 18:02 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  When you eliminate Regiments with hundreds of years of tradition, you destroy esprit de corps. It is unlikely that soldiers will feel the same about being members of a new "super regiment" than belonging to the Black Watch, the King's Own Scottish Borderers, the Royal Scots, or the Highlanders. This comes from an age when politicians have no experience with the military other than as a "drain on the Exchequer." Sad, but predictable.
Posted by: RWV || 10/24/2004 20:36 Comments || Top||

#2  Perhaps the military should "demonstrate" the reason politicans should pay more attention.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/24/2004 21:34 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Putin sez world must back Allawi
Russian President Vladimir Putin has called on the international community to boost its support for Iraq, the Interfax news agency said Friday. The Russian leader called on major nations to concentrate more resources to support the Iraqi provisional government's efforts, the news agency said. "It is necessary to mobilize additional resources of the international community to support efforts that are being made by the Iraqi provisional government," Putin said in a response letter to Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Alawi. Interfax said the letter was publicized by the Kremlin press service. "Russia should play an important role in Iraq's economic reconstruction," Putin added.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/24/2004 3:19:16 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Not a sea change... but a shift in tides maybe?
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 10:18 Comments || Top||

#2  "Russia should play an important role in Iraq’s economic reconstruction," Putin added

an opening bid
Posted by: Frank G || 10/24/2004 10:23 Comments || Top||

#3  Lot at stake for them especially all those oil contracts they invested in with Saddam. No surprise here. Needs to get on our good side since he now believes we will not pull out. Also, his independent pollster here tells him Bush wins!
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 10/24/2004 10:28 Comments || Top||

#4  Do you suppose Kerry will finally back Allawi now?
Posted by: A Jackson || 10/24/2004 11:12 Comments || Top||

#5  Now that the Oil for Food money has dried up, and it looks like Kerry is going to lose, and it's clear the U.S. is in Iraq for the long haul, let's get in there and get our share of the profits. C'mon Jacques, put out your hat.
Posted by: Crikey || 10/24/2004 12:15 Comments || Top||

#6  All depends on Lord Chirac and Heir Schroeder. Unless and until these 'jewels' get their heads out of their crouch, the unholy alliance will continue. Add Kerry if he wins.
Posted by: Capt America || 10/24/2004 12:37 Comments || Top||


77% of Russians consider al-Qaeda Public Enemy #1
Seventy-seven percent of Russian citizens consider the terrorist organization Al-Qaeda to be Russia's enemy, while 7% disagree with this statement, the Public Opinion Foundation reported following a poll held on October 16. Seventy-seven percent of the 1,500 respondents said Al-Qaeda is involved in organizing and carrying out terrorist attacks in Russia, and only 4% disagreed with this theory. Seventy-four percent of those surveyed said they have no doubts that Chechen terrorists are connected with Al-Qaeda. Four percent disagreed with this opinion.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/24/2004 2:55:39 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Damn. Better than us!
Posted by: Ptah || 10/24/2004 7:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Well, I guess maybe that the Russian press isn't on a "Its all Bush's fault" campaign.
Posted by: Don || 10/24/2004 9:40 Comments || Top||

#3  77% of Russian citizens consider the terrorist organization Al-Qaeda to be Russia’s enemy, while 7% disagree with this statement are members of Al-Q.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/24/2004 11:43 Comments || Top||

#4  What would the percent numbers be if Kerry supporters were polled on the same al-Qa'ida question?
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/24/2004 16:52 Comments || Top||


China-Japan-Koreas
Powell Rejects 'Reward' for North Korea
Secretary of State Colin Powell on Saturday rejected demands by North Korea of a U.S. "reward" before the communist country would agree to resume multinational talks about its nuclear weapons programs. Powell said any proposals from North Korea should be discussed as part of the negotiating process established more than a year ago that involves both Koreas, the United States, China, Japan and Russia. "This is a six-party discussion, not a U.S.-North Korea discussion or an exchange of U.S. and North Korean talking points," Powell told reporters during his flight to Tokyo, the first stop on a three-nation trip to East Asia.
"We aren't doing a Kerry at the present time."
He planned Sunday meetings with Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi and Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura before heading to China and South Korea. In a statement apparently timed for Powell's visit, a spokesman for North Korea's Foreign Ministry spokesman indicated the North would agree to a new round of nuclear discussions only if the United States dropped its "hostile policy" and consented to a "reward" for a nuclear freeze the North is proposing.
"Marvin, what sort of 'rewards' do we have for the North Koreans?"
"Well Mr. Secretary, we've got that bale of hay."
"Have it delivered to their embassy."
The spokesman, who was quoted by the official KCNA news agency but was not identified, said North Korea is insisting on discussing recent disclosures by South Korea that its scientists had carried out nuclear experiments involving plutonium and uranium years ago. The Bush administration has dismissed the South's experiments as insignificant and said they were of an academic nature. North Korea says it has several plutonium-based nuclear weapons and denies U.S. allegations it has a secret uranium-based nuclear weapons program. The United States has said it would provide economic benefits to North Korea once the North provides a credible commitment to permanent and verifiable disarmament. Powell's trip could be his last to the region in his current post. His decision to travel to Asia shortly before the Nov. 2 presidential election in the United State could be intended as an attempt to show resolve on one of the administration's most difficult foreign policy issues. Bush administration officials believe North Korea is biding its time on nuclear negotiations, sensing that Kerry might win the election and be easier to deal with than Bush, who has correctly linked North Korea with Iran and Iraq in an "axis of evil." On Saturday, Powell dismissed North Korean concerns about hostile U.S. intent. "We have no intention of invading them, no plans to attack," he said.
"Why would we want to take over such a basket case?"
But the North Korean news agency said upcoming joint U.S.-Japan naval exercises are a clear indication of U.S. hostility. The exercises are part of an international effort to block attempts at smuggling nuclear technology on the high seas. The North Korean statement said the maneuvers are an "undisguised" attempt to "blockade and stifle" the North.
"Of course not, Mr. Ambassador. Shall we show you what a real blockade looks like?"
Powell noted that the international anti-smuggling effort is endorsed by the U.N. Security Council. "There's nothing wrong with naval forces coming together to exercise for the purpose of seeing if we can do a better job of keeping the most dangerous cargos from reaching the most irresponsible purchasers of such cargo," Powell said. "It does not threaten North Korea. ... It protects the rest of the world."
Posted by: Steve White || 10/24/2004 1:07:59 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "...stifle" .I didn't know Little Kimmies alias was Edith Bunker.
Posted by: raptor || 10/24/2004 7:27 Comments || Top||

#2  I have a few bagfulls of fallen leaves Lil Kim can have.
Posted by: ed || 10/24/2004 12:14 Comments || Top||

#3  They could feed a North Korean family for a week on the start in Kim's shirt.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||

#4  I have several bales of fine Timmothy but I'm afraid the Norks would founder.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 14:36 Comments || Top||

#5  Give 'em alfalfa, but watch for bloat.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/24/2004 21:15 Comments || Top||

#6  on the start

Or maybe on the starch instead.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2004 23:40 Comments || Top||


Europe
State comes 1st, mosque 2nd in Turkey's system
Very long review of Turkey and Islam in the Chicago Tribune today.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/24/2004 12:35:33 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Fifth Column
Leftist Protestants Consider Israeli Divestment
The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) is pursuing withdrawal of investments from some companies with ties to the territories, following a vote this summer by its General Assembly. Separately, the Socially Responsible Investment panel of the Episcopal Church is researching the idea. New tensions arose last week when delegates from a Presbyterian policy committee on a fact-finding trip met in Lebanon with leaders of Hezbollah, which the United States considers a terrorist group. One delegate said "relations and conversations with Islamic leaders are a lot easier than dealings and dialogue with Jewish leaders." Kirkpatrick said the comments "do not reflect the official position" of the church, which he says condemns terrorism.

Relations between Jewish and mainline Protestant leaders were already poor when the divestment proposal surfaced at the Presbyterian national meeting. Corinne Whitlach, executive director of the Washington-based Churches for Middle East Peace, said she knows some Methodist and United Church of Christ representatives who have fielded request from congregants that they consider divestment as well. "The churches that I work with share the view that's very widely held that the very possibility of a two-state solution seems to be increasingly less possible," Whitlach said.

"I think, in this point in time, the frustration is reaching such a high, that things like this get traction," said Antonios Kireopoulos, an international-affairs officer at the National Council of Churches, which represents 36 Protestant and Orthodox Christian denominations. U.S. Jewish leaders have told the Protestants their approach smacks of bias, since the Christians have made no concurrent demand that the Palestinian Authority work to end suicide bombings against Israelis. That the divestment campaign borrows from the 1980s movement against South African apartheid is even more unsettling for Jewish leaders. "Unless you think Israel represents nothing other than colonial imperialism, then there is no analogy to be made at all, and those who call Israel colonial imperialism - that's a form of blindness, as if Jews have no relationship to the land of Israel," said David Elcott, national head of interreligious affairs for the American Jewish Committee, based in New York.

Rabbi Eric Yoffie, head of the Union for Reform Judaism, last month organized a meeting of Jewish and Presbyterian leaders, including the Rev. Clifton Kirkpatrick, the Presbyterian executive officer, to iron out differences, but they failed to reach any agreement on the issue.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/24/2004 6:52:27 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ah! The much talked about religious left.... scary!
Posted by: Wuzzalib || 10/24/2004 19:39 Comments || Top||

#2  "relations and conversations with Islamic leaders are a lot easier than dealings and dialogue with Jewish leaders

Well, at first I was disappointed by the Presbyterian church's actions - but now I say good...let them die on the vine. Just like Air Amerikka, these performers are going to realize you can't perform if you don't have an audience and you can't disinvest if people stop filling your offering plate.

Any church I've been to that has been a member of the National Council of Churches has sermons that reflect the dem talking points of the day. Lot's of touchy feely crap void of the teachings of Christ...so let them die. Christianity won't die with them.

Adios Presbyterian Church. See how easy that is? Taa taa.
Posted by: 2b || 10/24/2004 20:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Big deal. The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)is about half the size it was 25 years ago and will be half the size it is now in 25 years. It is the most liberal of the "split P's" and the most irrelavent. They are an embarassment to their Calvinist fathers.
The National Council of Churches representing 26 Protestant and Orthodox denominations? Big deal. There are about 25-35,000 Protestant denominations in the US. In some parts of the south, there are more kinds of Baptist churches than there are Baptists.
Posted by: John J. Simmins || 10/24/2004 20:37 Comments || Top||

#4  If links can be shown between the Presbyterian Church and Hezbollah, the Prez's ought to lose their tax exempt status as a minimum.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/24/2004 21:20 Comments || Top||

#5  I'd say that the fact that an official delegation from Church Headquarters met with Hezbollah at all shows definitively how far from Christianity these persons have gone. This is beyond smacking of bias; this is Judenhass, plain and simple.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2004 23:54 Comments || Top||

#6  US citizens that meet with the leadership of terrorist organs should be arrested and put on trial.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/25/2004 0:06 Comments || Top||


Great White North
Spray paint designed for pickup trucks becomes latest weapon in war on terrorism
The latest defence in the war on terrorism is a thin coat of plasticized paint first developed to line the beds of pickup trucks but which is now being used to protect the Pentagon and Canadian military buildings from bomb blasts. When the paint, marketed under the name Paxcon, is sprayed onto the outside walls of a building, it can protect it from up to 500 kilograms of explosives, according to its California-based manufacturer. Scott Jewett, a spokesman for Line-X Corp., said the company had no idea that a product developed for trucks would prove so effective at protecting buildings from the effects of truck bombs or other terrorist attacks. He said the blast-resistant spray-on paint helps the surface of a concrete or masonry wall hold together in an explosion, where an untreated wall shatters into thousands of deadly fragments.
Posted by: tipper || 10/24/2004 9:06:48 PM || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under:

#1  A 1/8"-thick coating on both sides of the wall in not exactly what most people call "spray paint". Reference.
Posted by: Tom || 10/24/2004 21:34 Comments || Top||

#2  By george, they've hit on the same idea that makes safety glass do its thing.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/24/2004 22:51 Comments || Top||


Canadian Islamic official regrets 'misunderstanding' over remarks
TORONTO (CP) - The president of the Canadian Islamic Congress says he personally does not believe that all Israelis over the age of 18 are legitimate targets of suicide bombers, despite saying so on television last week. Sure..

In a release issued Sunday by the CIC, Mohamed Elmasry said he was trying to express the view of many Palestinians, not his personal opinion. "Dr. Elmasry did not, does not, and will not condone the widely-held Palestinian view that any form of armed resistance against civilians . . . constitutes a legitimate military operation against the Israeli occupation, and not a terrorist activity," the release states. "I sincerely regret that my comments were misunderstood and, as a result, caused offence," he is quoted as saying in the release.

While appearing as part of a panel discussion on the Michael Coren Live TV show, an Ontario current affairs program, Elmasry said Israelis over the age of 18 could be attacked because they're all members of the Israeli army. The Canadian Jewish Congress expressed outrage after the show aired as did the Muslim Canadian Congress. In its release, the CIC said it "believes that terrorism - including that by Palestinians - does not advance either cause."
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/24/2004 4:21:14 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No need to apologize, there was no misunderstanding.

But it is good to see them backing down once in a while, even if we all know he's lying through his teeth. I'd say lips, but they fell off long ago.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 16:26 Comments || Top||

#2  We understand very well your murderous ideology, Mohamed.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/24/2004 19:49 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Kerry Ridicules Bush on Terrorism Remark
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - President Bush (news - web sites) and Sen. John Kerry stayed on the offensive in swing states Sunday as the presidential race entered its final full week. In a television interview, Bush said it is "up in the air" whether the nation can ever be fully safe from another terror attack and suggested terrorists may still be contemplating ways to disrupt the election.

Kerry ridiculed Bush's statement, suggesting it echoed an earlier assertion — later withdrawn — by the president that the war on terror could not be won.

"You make me president of the United States, we're going to win the war on terror," Kerry said at an evening rally in Boca Raton, Fla. "It's not going to be up in the air whether or not we make America safe."

Earlier, Kerry spoke at a predominantly black church for the fourth consecutive Sunday, this one in Fort Lauderdale in heavily Democratic Broward County, and promised worshippers their votes would be counted this time. The county saw some of the worst of Florida's 2000 vote-counting abuses. "I want you to turn out," the Democrat said.

Kerry pressed his attack on the president's record in new television ads, while on the campaign trail he sought to strike a more inspirational tone, saying in a speech on faith that values he practices as a Roman Catholic "will guide me as president."
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/24/2004 9:59:24 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Woodward primer : Iraq: Would Kerry Have Done Things Differently?
The role of commander in chief is clearly one of the president's most important jobs. But a presidential campaign provides voters little opportunity to evaluate how a candidate would handle that role, particularly if the candidate isn't an incumbent.

At the end of last year, during 3 1/2 hours of interviews over two days, I asked President Bush hundreds of detailed questions about his actions and decisions during the 16-month run-up to the war in Iraq. His answers were published in my book "Plan of Attack." Beginning on June 16, I had discussions and meetings with Sen. John Kerry's senior foreign policy, communications and political advisers about interviewing the senator to find out how he might have acted on Iraq -- to ask him what he would have done at certain key points. Senior Kerry advisers initially seemed positive about such an interview. One aide told me, "The short answer is yes, it's going to happen."

Snip. Enthusiastic Kerry somehow never manages to get around to it. So Bob Woodward lays his questions out for his gentle readers, with background of the situation and Bush's actions for each of 22 questions.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2004 3:23:39 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Decision Iraq: Would Kerry Have Done Things Differently?
22 questions for Kerry by Bob Woodward, none answered by the Senator. Kerry delayed on the requested interview for months even though Bush had previously met with Woodward and answered his questions. Too long to post here.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/24/2004 12:37:22 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Is there such a thing as a backhanded insult?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 16:42 Comments || Top||


Feith replies to Levin
A Pentagon official accused by a leading Senate Democrat of deceiving Congress about intelligence on Iraq's pre-war links to the al-Qaida terrorist network says the dispute is based on a misunderstanding that could have been avoided if he had been asked to explain. In a letter to Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the senior Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee, Douglas Feith laid out in detail his handling of CIA reports on the Iraq-al-Qaida relationship and denied that he ignored corrections requested by the CIA when he gave a summary of the reports to Congress in January 2004. Feith, the undersecretary of defense for policy, is Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's top policy adviser.

The Associated Press was provided a copy Saturday night of Feith's letter, which was sent to Levin on Oct. 20, the day before Levin released a report arguing that Feith and other Pentagon officials exaggerated the available intelligence on links between Iraq and al-Qaida in order to bolster the Bush administration's case for removing then-Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. The White House denies that intelligence was misused or manipulated in the run-up to the war. Republican senators noted this week that Levin's report was issued just before the Nov. 2 elections. In his report, Levin said the CIA requested corrections to a memo written by Feith and provided to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence in October 2003, before the memo could be distributed widely to the Senate Armed Services Committee and other congressional panels two months later.

But, Levin's report says, important changes requested by CIA were not made, including adequate alterations to information about the credibility of a source who provided raw intelligence on the Iraq-al-Qaida link. Levin suggested that the changes would have weakened evidence of a link. Feith disputed this in his letter. He wrote that the CIA asked that he delete reference to a "raw intelligence report" - meaning a report whose information had not yet been fully verified - because it contradicted one of the points made in Feith's original report on the Iraq-al-Qaida relationship. Feith said he did so. "The CIA did not ask us to make any specific changes to our text, but pointed out that the earlier raw report contradicted one of our comments, which was, however, supported by the later products that we cited," Feith wrote. The "products" he referred to were finished, rather than raw, CIA reports.

Feith wrote that he made all the changes requested by the CIA when he submitted the materials to the Senate Armed Services Committee and other panels that requested them. In his letter to Levin, Feith also expressed apparent frustration at being accused of misleading Congress on this matter. "Your allegations have an accusatory tone," he wrote. "If you had called me or asked to meet and discuss these matters, we could have cleared up the misunderstandings that underlie your allegations."
Posted by: Dan Darling || 10/24/2004 3:29:48 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1 
Sock Puppet of Doom says that Carl Levin is a self hating jew and that's all we need to know about him.

My question is whether the same is true about Douglas Feith. Is he a self hating jew too? If so, is that all we need to know about him?

Maybe Sock Puppet of Doom himself can share his insights with us on this topic.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 10/24/2004 14:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Give it up, Mike, you wore it out yesterday.
Posted by: Tom || 10/24/2004 14:57 Comments || Top||

#3 
No, I would like Sock Puppet of Doom to explain whether both these Jews -- Levin and Feith -- are self hating jews or whether only Levin is. And why he makes the distinction. SPD raised the subject, let him elaborate.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 10/24/2004 15:12 Comments || Top||

#4  Start over Mike, you still have credibility, but act fast.

Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 16:56 Comments || Top||

#5  With whom?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 16:57 Comments || Top||

#6  I still think Mike's One of the most important things to allan is....... pretty funny.
I fear he may be going tville tho.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 17:14 Comments || Top||

#7 
Some Rantburgers consider this type of argument (He's a self hating jew; that's all you need to know about him) to be acceptable, but some don't. I myself don't like to see it.

If Sock Puppet of Doom thinks it's an acceptable argument, then let him explain himself before he repeats it again.

How does he determine who is a self hating jew and who isn't one? Does he have an inner voice that informs him, or what?

If he provides a good explanation, then he can keep repeating the argument. If he doesn't provide a good explanation, then maybe he ought to consider refraining from it again in the future.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 10/24/2004 19:03 Comments || Top||

#8  I usually stay away from this type of discussion, and usually input only smart-ass comments on most articles, but this I want to respond to this.

My opinion is if someone wants to call anyone a "self-hating Jew," it's just like if they simply called him a "jackass" or an "idiot." I'm not going to ask for proof whether the person is really a "jackass" or an "idiot," because I know what a jackass and idiot are: they are tangible things and also slang terms.

The point is it's a name. Who cares? Have a problem with SPofD because of inaccuracies thrown against Levin's record, or just call him immature for calling Levin names. Other than that, who cares? I've read lots of SPofD's postings, and they're pretty rational. Mike has some good points now and then, too. But to start off a thread asking for proof if a Senator is a "self-hating Jew" is pretty weak.
Posted by: nada || 10/24/2004 19:19 Comments || Top||

#9  I know I shouldn't respond to trolling.

I see nothing in this article to change my opinion of Levin. He is a typical left wing secular jew.

I don't have enough information on Douglas Feith to form an opinion, nor do I care to. This is a waste of Fred's bandwidth.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/24/2004 19:27 Comments || Top||

#10 
SPoD, why do you call him "self hating"?
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 10/24/2004 20:33 Comments || Top||

#11 
Sock Puppet of Doom, what is it about Senator Carl Levin as an individual Jew that prompts you to call him a self hating jew?

Do you really believe that's all we need to know about Senator Carl Levin?
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 10/24/2004 23:00 Comments || Top||

#12  Mike you are trolling. But you must be somehow handicaped in your reading ability if you didn't understand my first post to this thread. I will state it differently. I will also depost 20 bucks into the RantBurg paypal account to pay for the useless waste of bandwidth.

Levin supports Kerry who said "We need to rethink our support of Israel" meaning we need to side with or be more sympathetic with the Palestinians. Kerry then quickly flip floped. Levin didn't miss a beat, didn't back down on the Bush bashing. He is a self hating jew as far as I am concerned along with a being a jerk and asshole.

Mike are you the descendent of jews? Do you have any practicing jews as blood relatives? I am and I do. I think I can judge a self hating jew buy his political actions. Levin qualifies.

If you like Levin fine. I don't. I will not support him. I sure as hell wouldn't vote for him if I had to.

I don't have enough information on Douglas Feith to form an opinion, nor do I care to.

I don't think any further discussion will be helpful.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/24/2004 23:31 Comments || Top||

#13 
So, if someone says, "We need to rethink our support of Israel", then that means he's a self hating jew?
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 10/24/2004 23:33 Comments || Top||

#14 
If I am a US Senator and a Jew and a Democrat, does that mean I'm a self hating jew?
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Posted by: Moishe Sylvester || 10/25/2004 0:16 Comments || Top||

#15 
Hey, Sock Puppet of Doom, where do you get off calling me a self hating jew? What do you know about me that makes you think you can write something like that about me?
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Posted by: Senator Carl Levin || 10/25/2004 0:31 Comments || Top||

#16  Free speech.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/25/2004 0:49 Comments || Top||


The Ohio Butterfly Ballot
This is via the Current Electoral Vote Predictor 2004 site, Oct 24th:

"Here is an example of the kind of issue that might turn Ohio into Florida.. Take a look at the absentee ballot for Cuyahoga County, where Cleveland is located. Suppose you wanted to vote for George Bush. Which square would you fill in?"
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[Note: I clipped this image to fit RB comment area better - otherwise it is unchanged.]



"If you picked the one I colored in green one, congratulations, you just threw your vote away. The one in red is the correct choice to vote for George Bush. Blue is for Kerry."
Posted by: .com || 10/24/2004 11:37:42 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Duh - "Predictor"
Posted by: .com || 10/24/2004 11:41 Comments || Top||

#2  rats! i picked 23
Posted by: half || 10/24/2004 11:49 Comments || Top||

#3  Who designed this Democratic form? Carter?
With this one could make the case for Brazilian help in more honest voting.
Posted by: Cynic || 10/24/2004 12:29 Comments || Top||

#4  Hmm. The 6 and 10 line up, but 2alignes with 12, and 4 aligns with 14. Just enough plausible deniability. Cuyaha county includes that well known paragon of electoral integrity, Cleveland.
Posted by: ed || 10/24/2004 12:30 Comments || Top||

#5  Who are Peroutka and Baldwin?

Why is Nader not on the ballot?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/24/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#6  Peroutka and Baldwin are of the Constitution Party. The courts won't let Nader on the ballot.
Posted by: Nick || 10/24/2004 14:03 Comments || Top||

#7  While I admit up front I know none of the facts in the case, I suspect it is more fair to say the courts have ruled that Nader has not met the requirements necessary to be placed on the ballot, unlike his fellow wackos from the Constitution Party and the Libertarian Party. If Nader met the requirements the courts would not "let Nader on the ballot." They would instruct the officers responsible for the election to follow they law, as the court probably did in this case.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#8  I just wonder if the elections comishioner for Cuyaha County is a card carrying democrat
Posted by: Cheaderhead || 10/24/2004 14:46 Comments || Top||

#9  Do the numbers 12 and 14 have any other meaning on the ballot?

Why can't they use a simple design where the voter puts a cross in a checkbox next to the intended recipient of the vote? it seems that the US (alone?) has developed all sorts of needlessly complex voting "methods". I've seen ballots in Sweden and Switzerland and never noticed anything as complex as that.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/24/2004 15:22 Comments || Top||

#10  I suspect that it's a lot more likely that there's a misprint on the ballot form, which is why 2 and 4 point to holes 12 and 14. I don't remember even being able to see the numbers on the punchcard ballots until you take it out of the slot. You just see holes in the plastic.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 10/24/2004 15:43 Comments || Top||

#11  Lets file the Al Gore Bad Ballot suit NOW, while they can stop this abomination before it is used.

And the ordering - how do they determine that? How'd Kerry get top-line and Bush bottom-line below even the "Disqualified" line?
Posted by: OldSpook || 10/24/2004 16:47 Comments || Top||

#12  I picked 14. This ballot doesn't seem too well designed (to put it mildly!)

I'm in DC at the moment, and on the way over had a looong conversation with a well-educated woman who told me that every county had it's own voting method (at which I was very surprised!). She also was vehemently anti-Bush and kept on about Bush's oil links. She was, however, extremely friendly and told me about the way DC is laid out (avenues for States and that most everything 'hung off' Constitution Avenue). I didn't have the heart to tell her I was rooting for Bush, as she was a very nice woman :). Been to the Air and Space museum today and that's an awesome place...
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/24/2004 17:12 Comments || Top||

#13  I just read at powerline that this is a bit disingenuous as the punch card does not come attached to the booklet as the image implies. None the less, it is confusing and looks likely to lead to litigation.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 18:09 Comments || Top||

#14  Have fun Tony!
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 20:12 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
Kofi Annan's role in oil-for-food scandal
Kofi Annan's involvement in the Iraqi oil-for-food scandal is to be investigated after it emerged the United Nations Secretary-General had a hand in some of the most controversial aspects of the discredited humanitarian program. Mr Annan, 66, the Ghanaian-born head of the UN and Nobel peace prize winner who is due to retire in 2006, is "co-operating" with the independent commission set up to look into the scandal. He has agreed to waive his diplomatic immunity and face legal action if any wrongdoing is uncovered.

Whistleblowers and leaked documents have revealed Mr Annan played a key role in the design and operation of the scheme. Although there is no suggestion he personally benefited from the program, his actions may have helped others, including Saddam Hussein, to defraud the oil-for-food scheme. Set up by the UN in 1995, the scheme allowed Saddam to sell controlled amounts of oil to buy humanitarian supplies. However, it is now alleged that the scheme was abused by the Iraqi dictator to "buy" political influence around the world while pocketing billions of dollars. Iraqi government adviser Claude Hankes-Drielsma said yesterday: "The Secretary-General carries the ultimate responsibility for the scheme and the problems with it were repeatedly drawn to his attention, yet he chose to do nothing. Everyone who allowed this scheme to operate in the way it did is guilty, irrespective of whether they personally benefited."

Mr Annan's involvement in the scheme began more than a decade ago when he was under-secretary-general of the UN and visited Baghdad to "alleviate the humanitarian situation" -- leading to the oil-for-food scheme being established. Throughout his tenure, Mr Annan repeatedly argued for the scope and size of the program to be expanded. Controversially, when the scheme was established, Saddam was allowed to determine who could trade Iraqi oil. This allowed him to "allocate" oil supplies to allies at knockdown prices -- the root cause of the subsequent scandal. After becoming Secretary-General in 1997, Mr Annan continued his close involvement with the scheme. Although it was technically overseen by the UN Security Council, its day-to-day operations were under the jurisdiction of Mr Annan. The man Mr Annan hired to run the program, Benon Sevan, who reported directly to him, is also under investigation for allegedly making more than $US1million ($1.34million) from selling Iraqi oil. He denies the accusations.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/24/2004 7:19:04 PM || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Are Kofi Annan and Benon Sevan Moslems?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/24/2004 19:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Not only is his middle name of "Atta" suppressed in the UN websites, so is his religion. Wiki however mentioned them, I believe. Why? This ugly man should ne nicely investigated.
Posted by: wits0 || 10/24/2004 22:15 Comments || Top||

#3 
Mr Claude Hankes-Drielsma has been Chairman of the Windsor Leadership Trust since 1998. He is currently advisor to Iraq, Chairman of Roland Berger Strategy Consultants and Trustee to St George’s House, Windsor Castle.

Former appointments include: Director for Robert Fleming & Co Ltd and Chairman of the Management Committee of PriceWaterhouse & Partners.

Claude Hankes-Drielsma is an Honorary Fellow of Corpus Christi College, Oxford and St George’s College, Windsor Castle. He is also Chairman of the Support Group, Greek and Roman Department at the British Museum and a Patron of the British Museum, National Portrait Gallery and Ashmolean Museum, Oxford. He is a member of Getty Villa Council, Los Angeles.

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Electric Hermit: The man who started the whole thing is Claude Hankes-Drielsma -- a rather dubious character and close ally of the Bush regime's former favourite to replace Saddam Hussein as dictator, Ahmed Chalabi. On 27 May, 2004 Hankes-Drielsma was interviewed for the BBC by Tim Sebastian. From the outset it is clear that there is nothing whatever to substantiate the allegations that have been made against the UN. Which is not to say there won't be when the official investigation is concluded. But the man who is making the allegations is not someone I would trust. Judge for yourself.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 10/24/2004 23:17 Comments || Top||

#4 
Joshua Micah Marshall: .... Francis Brooke, Ahmed Chalabi's long-time Washington handler, lobbyist and press maven, is the subject of an arrest warrant in Iraq. But he's absconded, if that's the right word, back to Washington.

I don't know quite what to make of this. The charge seems to be that he obstructed the raid on Chalabi's INC headquarters in some fashion. But it's not clear from the article that he did anything more than give the Iraqi police executing the warrant some grief. Nor is it clear, from the context, why that should be a crime.

.... the Washington Post has some follow-up on Brooke's warrant. The real nugget, however, is this passage tucked down at the bottom of the article ...

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Last night, it emerged that on the same day as the raid, computer files belonging to the British consultant investigating the oil-for-food scandal were destroyed by hackers and a back-up databank in his Baghdad office wiped out. Claude Hankes Drielsma, a British businessman and long-time acquaintance of Mr Chalabi, accused America and Britain of mounting a "dirty tricks" campaign to obstruct his inquiry. "I think you have to expect this to happen with events of the magnitude of those we are dealing with," he said.

His report on oil-for-food, written for the international accounting company KPMG, was due to be released in three weeks but its publication has been delayed for at least three months, he said. "This report would have been even more damning than anticipated. This would not sit comfortably with the political agenda in Washington or London. I believe that what Washington wants is to keep the lid on things until after the presidential election. The White House believes that the report will be detrimental to President Bush's re-election campaign.
[unquote] ------

... the charges relating to the UN oil-for-food program in Iraq all stem from documents which Ahmed Chalabi says he has and says are valid, but which none but his political associates have been allowed to see. Hankes Drielsma is a longtime Chalabi crony from the UK who Chalabi brought in to run his own investigation of the documents. .... In any case, basing an international scandal on documents which Ahmed Chalabi assures you he has but for some reason won't show you would seem a rather dubious proposition in the first place. But, if I read that passage from the Telegraph article correctly, Hankes Drielsma seems to be saying, in essence, that both his hard-drives exploded, that for some inexplicable reason it's America's fault, that the report was going to be incredibly damning, but now all the data is gone so it's going to be months, if not longer, till he can pull the evidence back together.

Am I missing something, or is this the dog ate my homework?
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 10/24/2004 23:31 Comments || Top||


Hans Blix urges give and take on Iran (here were go again)
BERLIN (Reuters) - Former United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix has urged Western nations to offer concessions to Iran if they want the government there to scrap uranium enrichment.

Washington accuses Iran of trying to make highly enriched uranium which can be used in nuclear weapons. Iran says it only wants to make lower grade uranium for generating electricity.

Iran has every right to conduct an enrichment programme, Blix said on Sunday in an interview with German broadcaster ARD.

The European Union has offered to supply Iran with reactor fuel and help it build a light-water power reactor if Tehran agrees to scrap uranium enrichment. Iran rejected the offer, but said it still wanted talks on the matter.

Blix said concessions to persuade Tehran to abandon enrichment might also include improved trade relations or a non-aggression pact, he added.

If Western nations asked Iran to abandon enrichment, Blix said, "then you are asking them to give something up they have a right to be doing. Then you have to accept that they will make demands." ..."they have a right".. to construct nuclear weapons and nuke whomever they wish, yes Hans?

Blix warned against air attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities and said no nuclear weapons were being developed at such sites.
Saddam phase II

Iran had probably moved any highly-enriched uranium, suitable for use in weapons, to other storage sites elsewhere in the country, he said. "I am not sure if we know the location of all the sites," he added.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/24/2004 5:02:45 PM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I wonder if Mount Blix will still be spewing every couple of weeks after Bush is re-elected.
Posted by: Tom || 10/24/2004 17:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Thanks for that Tom, I have a rather vivid mental picture that is going to require some form of alcoholic beverage to expunge - yuk!
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/24/2004 17:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Figuring it is time to make up for the fact that he appears to be the only UN employee not on Sadam's payroll, Blix is pandering for a payoff from the Mullahs.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 17:39 Comments || Top||

#4  Is Blix staill a UN employee? I think he retired.
He us useless and his ideas are a threat to us all. Such a loser.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/24/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||

#5  Sorry, Tony, I was thinking volcano -- he's making an ash of himself.
Posted by: Tom || 10/24/2004 20:06 Comments || Top||

#6  The man is a living euphamism. "He stepped on his Blix!"
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/24/2004 20:15 Comments || Top||

#7  Former United Nations weapons inspector Hans Blix has urged Western nations to offer concessions to Iran if they want the government there to scrap uranium enrichment.

The same tack was already tried out in North Korea...for all the good it did.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/24/2004 22:24 Comments || Top||

#8  "Ooohh noooo, it's Hans Brix! Step a little to the left Hans Brix."
Posted by: A Jackson || 10/24/2004 23:06 Comments || Top||


Lawmaker Wants French to Answer Bribe Charges
EFL
A lawmaker heading one of Congress' investigations into the U.N. Oil-for-Food program sent a letter to French President Jacques Chirac asking for his full cooperation and insisting French government officials meet with his committee. Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, sent the letter Friday to highlight some of the findings of a recent report by the CIA's Iraq Survey Group. The report, also known as the Duelfer report after chief author Charles Duelfer, suggested that French businessmen and politicians with close ties to Chirac may have received bribes from Saddam Hussein. It also said that that French companies may have sold weapons to Iraq on the eve of the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003. "These allegations of bribery and illegal weapons sales are extremely serious, and, if true, cast doubt upon the effectiveness and independence of the United Nations. I very much hope that you will assist this committee in its efforts to shed light on possible abuses of the Oil for Food program," Barton wrote.
When hell freezes over
Chirac has thus far remained silent on the role Oil-for-Food case may have played in influencing France's policy toward Iraq. The French have not answered the allegations against them in any detail but the French ambassador to the United States told FOX News last week the French government is not for sale.
for rent, but not for sale? Like a prostitute ya say?
On Thursday, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan said he would be shocked if any Security Council nation had effectively sold its vote to Saddam. Also Thursday, the U.N.-authorized independent investigation of Oil-for-Food released the most complete list yet of who did business under Oil-for-Food.
shocked, shocked!
Posted by: Frank G || 10/24/2004 11:40:08 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


US may not push for ouster of IAEA chief ElBaradei
Despite urging UN nuclear chief Mohamed ElBaradei to step down after two terms, the Bush administration may be unwilling to undertake an all-out political battle to oust him, US officials and diplomats say. ElBaradei, who has worked at the International Atomic Energy Agency for 20 years, officially announced his interest in a third term late last month, rebuffing President George W. Bush's team, which said it hoped he would step down and allow the appointment of a new leader. A senior US official said: "We'd rather see an elegant way out for everybody. What we're seeking is a resolution that doesn't force the issue."
"We'd rather see an elegant way out for everybody. What we're seeking is a resolution that doesn't force the issue."
"He's an idiot, but we'd rather he leave on his own."
Bush and Democratic candidate Sen. John Kerry have both declared that keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists would be their first priority after the Nov. 2 election, and the IAEA is a key player in efforts to halt the spread of weapons of mass destruction. IAEA directors-general traditionally have not had term limits. But western countries have discussed the need for limits and the White House affirmed its preference for a two-term cap. Bush administration hardliners, led by Undersecretary of State John Bolton, fault ElBaradei and the IAEA for not being tough enough on states seeking to develop weapons of mass destruction, including Iran and North Korea. In the runup to the Iraq war, Elbaradei stoked US anger by saying IAEA inspectors had found no evidence of a continuing nuclear programme in Iraq.
Posted by: Fred || 10/24/2004 11:05:57 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Knowing the UN, the next in line to replace him, sans extraordinary US pressure, is prolly a NorK or Mad Mullah.
Posted by: .com || 10/24/2004 1:04 Comments || Top||

#2  “We’d rather see an elegant way out for everybody. What we’re seeking is a resolution that doesn’t force the issue.”

In other words;

"We who have access to well stocked fallout shelters could give a shit about whatever rads the peasants will absorb because of our failure to halt ineffectual morons like ElBaradei."

Keep your eyes on the prize.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/24/2004 2:29 Comments || Top||

#3  .com it's Khan.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 10:20 Comments || Top||

#4  It's not El Baradey, of Kofi, or Terja Laasen [sp?], who are at fault --- it is the assumption that all nations (actually goverments) are equal on which the UN based.
Posted by: Anonymous6092 || 10/24/2004 10:24 Comments || Top||

#5  Khan would be a great choice. He already knows who's got all the goodies since he provided them.
Posted by: Crikey || 10/24/2004 12:19 Comments || Top||

#6  Dump ElBaradei if we can, but the problem is more insideous than just him. The entire IAEA is the real problem and, while we are at it, the entire UN.
Posted by: Capt America || 10/24/2004 12:40 Comments || Top||

#7  Try him, then hang him.

Hmmm, wrong thread? try him anyway!
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/24/2004 19:44 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Indonesia: Minister Calls for End to Abuse of Women
Women's Empowerment Minister Meuthia Farida Hatta-Swasono said Thursday she will do her best to combat all forms of abuse against women, from domestic violence to gender discrimination to sex trafficking.
There go all the jobs in Soddy Arabia...
She said her task would not be easy because abuse of women has become entrenched in Indonesian society. "We now see how woman are harassed, not only the in the lower classes, but also in the upper classes. From the upper to the lower levels, women are now seen as second class citizens or are despised," she was quoted as saying by detikcom online news portal. The minister, who lectures in anthropology at the University of Indonesia, said public attitudes must be changed so that women will be accorded greater respect. "It's often said that women are not powerful, but the fact is that women are full of power, strength and perseverance that men have lost. There's much evidence to show that women are superior to men in overcoming problems," she said.

Hatta-Swasono was speaking after a handover ceremony with former women's empowerment minister Sri Redjeki Sumardjoto at the ministry compound in Central Jakarta. After the ministry's staff sang a song of welcome, Sumardjoto presented her successor with details of the ministry's 14 ongoing programs to improve the rights of Indonesian women. The programs include efforts to amend legislation deemed discriminatory against women, including laws on citizenship, marriage, immigration and health. Other programs include proposals for maternity leave for students, social security for female workers in the informal sector and financial assistance for women to establish small businesses. The programs also cover gender problems in Islam, reform of traditional laws and efforts to combat sex trafficking, pornography and child labor.
Posted by: Fred || 10/24/2004 1:55:59 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Bulgaria Denies Plans for "Iran Attack"
Sofia News Agency: Bulgaria's Defense Minister Nikolay Svinarov refuted reports that during his October 9 meeting with US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld they have discussed possible attack on Iran.

He commented on a report of the Québecs center for alternative media claiming that at the October meeting the defense ministers from the coalition forces and the US administration have discussed a possible attack on Iran.

I can firmly say that we have not discusses such issues, Svinarov said. He pointed out that he is not aware of the plans of the US administration, saying that such plans would be illogical. What I know for sure is that we haven't discussed such issues, he underlined once again.

In an article of the Center for alternative media called "Bush Pre-Election Strike On Iran "Imminent" it was reported that the administration of the current Us president fears that he might lose the presidential battle to Democratic challenger Kerry. That was pointed as a reason for Bush to execute several attacks on Iran nuclear reactor in Bushehr and other nuclear spots.

The article claims that the operation was to take place two weeks before the November 2 elections in the US. The author of the article also says that US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the coalition allies, including Bulgaria, have discussed the attack at their October 9 meeting.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/24/2004 4:41:44 PM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Bulgars were Stalin's hit men...tough people...
Posted by: borgboy || 10/24/2004 16:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Remember the old Burgarian umbrella.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 10/24/2004 17:07 Comments || Top||

#3  Rumsfeld could have asked that in the event a live-fire exercise occurred over Iran,would Bulgaria mind if the US used her bases for logistical support?
Posted by: Stephen || 10/24/2004 17:19 Comments || Top||

#4  Yes, Georgi Markov, London 1978 - with ricin (nasty).
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/24/2004 17:21 Comments || Top||

#5  The Bulgarians were brainless thugs. Convenient and disposable.
Posted by: gromky || 10/24/2004 18:36 Comments || Top||

#6  And now the Bulgarian government has chosen to be on our side in the War against Islamofascism.

As to that report, two weeks before Nov 2 means we missed the planned date to attack Iran!? Ah but this is an Iranian report. Are they worried? Hehe. Maybe it's two weeks after the election? or two days? or two hours?

Faster, please.
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever) || 10/24/2004 19:54 Comments || Top||

#7  Thugs perhaps. Tough definitely. Brainless, no way. Had one work for me once. He was good.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 21:01 Comments || Top||


Iran: Europe Nuke Proposal 'Unbalanced'
Iran called a European proposal seeking indefinite suspension of its nuclear activities "unbalanced" but said Sunday the Europeans made the right decision to engage in dialogue. In talks Thursday in Vienna, Austria, envoys from Britain, France and Germany reportedly offered civilian nuclear technology and a trade deal to the Iranians in return for Iran permanently giving up all uranium enrichment activities — technology that can be used to produce nuclear fuel or nuclear weapons. "The proposal by the Europeans is unbalanced," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi said. "However, the Europeans have chosen the correct path of dialogue." Britain, France and Germany have warned that most European countries will back Washington's call to refer Iran's nuclear dossier to the U.N. Security Council for possible economic sanctions if Iran does not give up all uranium enrichment activities by the Nov. 25 meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Posted by: Fred || 10/24/2004 12:22:10 PM || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  the Europeans have chosen the correct path of dialogue.

Wonder how the Euros feel sealing with someone even more sanctimonious than themselves.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 16:47 Comments || Top||


US demands action from Syria
"I'm a dictator. I'm the son of a dictator. They're gonna come and get me and string me up. I've never even been in an outdoor toilet, much less hidden at the bottom of one..."
A senior US official called on Saturday for action from Syria to prove it was changing its attitude regarding Lebanon, Iraq and its alleged support of terrorism, warning of further sanctions if no change was forthcoming.
"Don't make us come in there!"
"There are many issues that raise concern about Syria's attitude towards Lebanon, Iraq and terrorism," US Deputy Assistant Secretary of State David Satterfield was quoted as telling Lebanon's leading An-Nahar newspaper. "We want to see Syria take concrete measures because words are not enough." Washington in May imposed economic sanctions on Syria for its alleged support of terrorism, purported efforts to obtain mass destruction weapons and failing to crack down on infiltration of insurgents into Iraq. Damascus has rejected the charges. "The American president has available a number of measures he could take and which would have an effect on the United States' economic, financial and commercial relations with Syria," Satterfield warned. "The United States is extremely worried by the current situation in Lebanon because of Syrian interference," he added. The UN Security Council in September passed Resolution 1559, sponsored by the United States and France, demanding that Damascus pull its estimated 15,000 troops out of Lebanon and end what it saw as meddling in the affairs of its neighbour.

The 15-member UN Security Council issued a further statement Tuesday calling again on Damascus to comply with the resolution, a call rejected outright by Syria and Lebanon as "interference". "Lebanon and its political leaders must make their decisions in freedom, far from external interference or threats," Satterfield said. Lebanon's prime minister Rafiq Hariri resigned on Wednesday, with his pro-Damascus arch-foe Omar Karameh almost immediately called upon to form a new government, a move sharply criticised by Washington.
Posted by: Fred || 10/24/2004 2:53:32 AM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'm trying to figure out this State Department/Defense Department good cop/bad cop routine. State says "concerned". Rumsfeld says "unhelpful". The French strike a pose in the Security Council, but don't really mean it. Meanwhile, stone cold killer American warriors are just across the Iraqi border. How is a Syrian optometrist supposed to parse these messages?

Oh, and does anybody know what's happening out at those airbases in western Iraq? We never seem to hear about them.
Posted by: Classical_Liberal || 10/24/2004 3:38 Comments || Top||

#2  What a pathetic moustache. He is clearly not the man his father was. His poor,dead father must be writhing in agony, watching all he worked so hard to achieve melting away.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2004 9:32 Comments || Top||

#3  The Generals that pull his strings are the same that worked for Dad. I'd like to see this pencil-necked geek strung up by the Kurds
Posted by: Frank G || 10/24/2004 9:36 Comments || Top||

#4  I finally figured out where I've seen this asshat before: he's Herbert Kornfeld, Accounts Receivable.
Posted by: BH || 10/24/2004 10:34 Comments || Top||

#5  lol - the H-Dog!
Posted by: Frank G || 10/24/2004 10:43 Comments || Top||

#6  Dad's generals will let Sonny lead as long as he does not rock the boat too much. Sonny's options are **ahem** rather limited.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/24/2004 10:48 Comments || Top||

#7  Frag is stupid a**, the pile of human excrement.
Posted by: anymouse || 10/24/2004 13:43 Comments || Top||

#8  Oh, and does anybody know what's happening out at those airbases in western Iraq?

Airbases? What airbases? Anyone around here see any airbases? Fred, you see any bases?
Posted by: Steve || 10/24/2004 14:37 Comments || Top||

#9  For some reason, Assad's face just seems to have on it a look of absolute evil.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 10/24/2004 16:04 Comments || Top||

#10  Assad's face just seems to have on it a look of absolute evil.


Practice?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 16:35 Comments || Top||

#11  No no no Bomb-a-rama, to me that look is of someone who has been forced to stare into the abyss and has some very hard decisions to make. On the one hand he has the generals still pulling the strings and has Saddam's WMDs in his back yard (which actually, is not a good thing to have lying around), on the other hand, he has a huge Iron Fist, in the shape of those 'Merkans looming over his head. Oh, and just to really make his day, he can't forget that the Israelis can bomb Syria with impunity whenever they want to prove a point. Hard decisions indeed...

PS In DC at the moment - amazing city, Air and Space museum is awesome but I've noticed a fair few Kerry support posters around - that normal for DC?
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/24/2004 16:45 Comments || Top||

#12  Tony,

DC and the surrounding Maryland suburbs are a one party state - Democrat. Virginia is more balanced.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 16:48 Comments || Top||

#13  I still say he looks like Himmler...
Posted by: borgboy || 10/24/2004 16:57 Comments || Top||

#14  DC is true-blue democrat. Maryland is traditionally Democrat thanks to Baltimore's big political machine, but parts of the state are starting to get a bit of a pinkish tinge. Virginia is starting to be a two-party state...blue on top where all the federal employees live, red on the bottom from Quantico south.

Of more interest to was an informal poll at a downtown DC burrito take-out place. The Kerry burrito was (predictably) leading the Bush burrito, but by a much smaller margin than I would have guessed: 1027-963. Food for thought, I guess.

PS Tony, email me at seafarious@yahoo.com
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/24/2004 16:57 Comments || Top||

#15  Thanks for that Mrs D. and Seafarious. One sign that I noticed for Kerry was for the Airline Pilots Association (or something very similar). I thought that was an unusual grouping to be rooting for Kerry. Also noticed a 'Firefighters for Kerry' bumper sticker on a vehicle on the way in from Dulles.

Email on its way Seafarious...
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/24/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||

#16  Wonder if Junior is noticing that the New Improved Iraqi Army (tm) is evolving well? An Iraqi Army being built from the ground up into something to really be treated with respect, particularly if you are assisting their enemies sending death and destruction among their civilians and families. Just what you need, an effective Israeli and Iraqi Army focused on you.
Posted by: Don || 10/24/2004 17:49 Comments || Top||

#17  Tony, Bush has refused to bail out the airlines, who are facing financial difficulties due to shrinking markets and higher fuel prices. As a result, the pilots (some of whom are very highly paid) are under pressure to make wage concessions.
Posted by: rkb || 10/24/2004 19:02 Comments || Top||

#18  Say it again.... you gotta see the really big flag Tony. :)
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 19:56 Comments || Top||


Iranian MPs Dismiss EU N-Deal as Unacceptable
"Nope. Nope. Can't do it. Make us another offer."
Posted by: Fred || 10/24/2004 10:41:30 PM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Don't know about you, but I get really mad when dhimmis get uppity.
Posted by: Anonymous6092 || 10/24/2004 10:26 Comments || Top||

#2  How about if we throw in a small pony named Allah? Flecka?
Posted by: Capt America || 10/24/2004 12:45 Comments || Top||

#3  "And we will insist on your lunch money tomorrow, also."
Posted by: Matt || 10/24/2004 18:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Matt :>
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 19:58 Comments || Top||

#5  My Fiend Flacker
the Mike McCurry Story


by: J Carville.
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 20:00 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Family's outcry leads school to pull grisly video
Outrage from the family of beheaded hostage Eugene ''Jack'' Armstrong prompted Watkins College of Art & Design yesterday to remove a video presentation that includes footage of the beheading from a student exhibit.

''We're so angry right now that we're about ready to jump in a car and come down there,'' said Cyndi Armstrong, the slain engineer's cousin by marriage, from her office in Hillsdale, Mich.

''How dare this school do that! I mean, these people are not artists. This is not art. And then the story you wrote in today's paper about how they're emotionally distressed, or exhausted? Well, we'll discuss 'emotionally exhausted' with them. We've had six weeks of hell. And they've had one day of people saying that what they did is wrong, because it is wrong.''

The school's decision to pull the work, which took first place in the juried art show, came against the wishes of Watkins students Elvan Penny and Scott Phelps. Their 4œ-minute Fearful Symmetry video includes footage, with audio, of Armstrong's beheading in Iraq late last month. Juxtaposed with images of American popular culture, including TV commercials, the footage is intended, the artists say, to jolt the viewer out of complacency and toward a greater awareness of violence in the world.
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Africa: North
MEMRI: Egyptian Intellectuals and Journalists Help Propagate Terrorism
Dr. Ihsan Al-Tarabulsi, a Lebanese writer living in the U.S., published an article on the progressive Arabic website www.metransparent.com, blaming the Egyptian media and the Egyptian intellectual community for contributing to the ills of the Arab world. He accused them of supporting the dictatorial Arab regimes and of propagating extremist nationalist and religious attitudes, as well as terrorism. The following are excerpts from the article:

"The Egyptian media and the Egyptian intellectual community are among the primary causes of the alarming proliferation of the gnats, mosquitoes, and viruses of terrorism, which has placed the Arabs at the basest level and on the lowest rung of progress, civilization, and human treatment of various issues. Look at what kind of Fatwa s are issued by some sheikhs of Al-Azhar and other Egyptian sheikhs in the Gulf states and elsewhere, with regard to the terrorism now occurring in Palestine, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, and other countries. They sell these terrorists documents of indulgence and martyrdom. [They sell them] prime tickets to paradise and marriage and incessant intercourse with the virgin Houris, as though the brains of the Arabs are not in their heads, but in their genitals.

"Read what most of the Egyptian establishment journalists, such as Fahmi Huweidi, Samir Rajab, and others, write about the terrorist acts in Palestine, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Algeria. They announce to the Arabs an imminent victory, such as the victory of Yasser Arafat and before him of [Gamal] Abd-Al Nasser and Saddam Hussein and a whole host of Arab dictators. Look at what most of the Egyptian intellectuals say on Egyptian television and on Arab satellite TV channels, commenting on events in Iraq, Palestine, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere.

"Have you heard the views of the Egyptian intellectuals about what happened in the catastrophe of September 11, 2001? The most prominent of them, [Muhammad Hassanein] Haykal, the one who taught them witchcraft, said that this was the work of the Serbs. Fahmi Huweidi, their learned jurist, said that this was the work of the Mossad. Mustafa Mahmoud, the most dim-witted among them, said that this was the work of the American Seventh-Day Adventists. And Mustafa Al-Faqih, the craziest among them, said that it was planned by the American CIA. And Anis Mansour, their buffoon, said that it was the work of genies and devils. This is the stupidity to top all stupidity, the buffoonery to top all buffoonery, the trickery to top all trickery, in the manner of Isma'il Yasin, Samir Ghanim, Sha'ban 'Abd Al-Rahim, Mustafa Al-Bakri, Sayyid Nassar, Tal'at Rumeih, and 'Isam Al-'Aryan and other buffoons of the infamous pan-Arab era."
Posted by: Fred || 10/24/2004 1:54:03 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Egyptian intellectuals(!!!)" There is a wealth of irony and humor in those two words...
Posted by: borgboy || 10/24/2004 18:16 Comments || Top||

#2  One word that fits - oxymoron.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/24/2004 18:19 Comments || Top||


Africa: Horn
Official: EU Will Help Rebuild Somalia
The European Union will help rebuild conflict-ravaged Somalia, but the cost is not clear, the EU's foreign policy chief said Saturday. Immediate priorities are getting a government in place and disarming armed groups so that Somalia can stabilize, said EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana after meeting Somalia's new President Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed in the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa. Yusuf was sworn in on Oct. 14 at a ceremony attended by 10 African leaders after a 275-member transitional parliament elected him in Nairobi, in neighboring Kenya, because of insecurity in Somalia.
And good luck to him. Subversion kicking in, in 5-4-3-2-...
Posted by: Fred || 10/24/2004 12:32:09 PM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  UN big-wigs need new sources of revenue now that Oil for Food is no more.
Posted by: JFM || 10/24/2004 13:50 Comments || Top||

#2  now that Oil for Food is no more.

What do you mean? Sudan has oil. Sudan needs food. UN gets revenue.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 14:09 Comments || Top||

#3  You got it, Mrs. D. The UN weenied out of Rwanda because there was nothing in it for them. Now there is another potential revenue stream. The vultures are doing their preflight inspections as we speak.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/24/2004 14:17 Comments || Top||

#4  Ooops I mixed UN and EU.
Posted by: JFM || 10/24/2004 17:21 Comments || Top||

#5  How could you tell?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 17:40 Comments || Top||

#6  "Rebuild"? Didn't realize it was ever a going concern...
__________borgboy sez "Send in the Italians!"
Posted by: borgboy || 10/24/2004 18:14 Comments || Top||

#7  Euorapean Colonialisam alive and well.
Posted by: raptor || 10/25/2004 9:21 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
CIA Secretly Removes Detainees From Iraq
The CIA has secretly moved as many as a dozen unidentified prisoners out of Iraq in the last six months, a possible violation of international treaties, The Washington Post reported. The detainees were removed without
The Bush administration did not consider al-Qaida fighters in Afghanistan to be "protected persons" under the Geneva Conventions. Many were sent to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, for interrogation.
notification to the International Red Cross, congressional oversight committees, the Defense Department or CIA investigators, the newspaper said in Sunday editions, citing unidentified government officials.

The Justice Department drafted a memo dated March 19, 2004, authorizing the CIA to take prisoners out of Iraq for interrogation, it said. Iraqis can be taken out of the country for a "brief but not indefinite period," and that "illegal aliens" can be removed permanently under "local immigration law," the Post quoted the memo as saying. The transfers could violate the Geneva Conventions, which do not allow "individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory."

White House spokesman Sean McCormick said the U.S. policy is to comply with the international treaty, which protects civilians during war and occupation. "The Geneva Conventions are applicable to the conflict in Iraq," he told the Post. The identities or locations of the detainees have not been disclosed. The Bush administration did not consider al-Qaida fighters in Afghanistan to be "protected persons" under the Geneva Conventions. Many were sent to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, for interrogation.
Posted by: Fred || 10/24/2004 12:29:48 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Guess there needs to be a definition of terrorists rights.I'll start off:Dead.
Posted by: crazyhorse || 10/24/2004 13:01 Comments || Top||

#2  The detainees were removed without
notification to the International Red Cross, congressional oversight committees, the Defense Department or CIA investigators, the newspaper said in Sunday editions, citing unidentified government officials.


The 'right' prisoners are being taken out of country or into that good night to be emptied of information, which is what should have happened with many of the Abu Ghraib prisoners.

Good for the spooks.

The most troubling part of this story is it is by unnamed sources. More shoddy journalism by the WaPo.
Posted by: badanov || 10/24/2004 13:11 Comments || Top||

#3  hmmmmm - Clinton CIA bureaucrats?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/24/2004 13:24 Comments || Top||

#4  I saw this one coming a while back. Someone said "There are only a hundred or so foreign fighters being kept in Iraq"; to which the response was, "Aha, so that means it's the Iraqis that are rising up against the US!, NOT foreign fighters!"
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/24/2004 13:24 Comments || Top||

#5  Secretly?
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 19:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Is this another Hersch story? Sounds like it.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/24/2004 20:45 Comments || Top||

#7  Say it aint so, Sarge. I was hoping it was true.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis || 10/24/2004 20:47 Comments || Top||

#8  Lots of noise is made over the US violationg Geneva protocols is has never even signed on to. Is this one of them? Many Europeans and Americans are under the impression the USA is under all those agreements The US has not adopted all of them. Since when do the Geneva accords apply to multi national terroists and criminals anyway?

If you are fighting a nation that has violated the the accords or isn't even governed by the same political system that originally signed are we supposed to just ignore that? Well I guess we are. Thats just plain stupid.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/24/2004 21:32 Comments || Top||

#9  Once again, jihadi terrorists do NOT come under the definition of "protected persons" under the GC. But thanks for askin'...
Posted by: mojo || 10/24/2004 22:20 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine
Israel Cabinet OKs Settlers' Compensation
Posted by: Fred || 10/24/2004 12:23:37 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Afghanistan/South Asia
Karzai Wins Majority in Afghan Election
Posted by: Fred || 10/24/2004 12:20:05 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Iraq-Jordan
Why it's different in Basra
After spending time with the American First Cavalry in Baghdad and the British army in Basra, Hugh Sykes gives his views on how their different approaches have influenced the attitudes of local people towards the military. I have been in Iraq for a fortnight but I have not really been in Iraq at all.
Wow. A whole 2 weeks. In the bad Iraq, the occupied Iraq.
I have been in occupied Iraq, in the back of a US Army Humvee with men armed with pistols, rifles, machine guns and shot guns. They are good for "bad guys who get too close".
Humvees: bad. And you would like them to be armed with... what? Spitballs?
Top Cover for the Humvee stands with his head and shoulders out of the roof, and is mostly a traffic cop as Humvee Man forces his way through the Baghdad traffic, sounding his horn and shouting at other drivers at roundabouts and intersections. "Hey! Get out of the Way! You! Stop!"
Ah, road rage. Yep, that'll do it.
Iraqi drivers stop, and swerve, and pull over to the side, and the Humvee rushes on.
Gee, just like other official biz vehicles: ambulances, fire trucks, limos with rock stars...
This is all justified, they say, because of the acute danger of VBIEDs - Vehicle-Born Improvised Explosive Devices. That is, car bombs.
They do tend to ruin your whole day...
But I believe this is a vicious circle of their own making, that much of the hatred of the Americans that is now violently expressed was provoked by their ignorant disrespect of decent people.
The poor dumb unnuanced Yanks. Rightee-oh. And I think you're so full of shit your eyes are brown. But, puhleeze Mr Sensitivity and PC, don't let that stop you.

...more...

There is something to be said for the hearts and minds game. With some societies, where there is sufficient overlap in values and customary behavior, courtesy pays as each side can place themselves in the other's shoes. With others, it is irrelevant. This is one of those cases. The behavior of US forces described by our oh-so-intrepid reporter is precisely how authority behaves in normal Arab society. The touchy-feely thing gets you a smile or two, but when the heat is on, the same people will not hesitate to gun you down. Those smiles do not convey respect or that they identify with you and are thus less likely to oppose you. It's just not true of Arab society. He asserts that the low-key British approach is sooo much better - and utterly ignores the key reason: the populations each force is dealing with. Down south, the Shi'a are damned happy to be rid of Saddam, are happy to march around being Shi'a without fear of reprisal, and have been as unruly, at times, as in Baghdad. Don't forget how many Shi'a leaders have been blown to shit in the peaceful south. And our cousins have even been willing to deal with corrupt tribal leaders - for the sake of peaceful expediency - and been reversed. Not all roses and kisses after all. In the Baghdad / Triangle area, the Sunnis feel somewhat differently - they are the big losers in the invasion and some feel they should actively oppose us. Quite a difference, Mr Journalist. One might even say they drew the easier assignment, if one was being as uncharitable as this journalistic military genius. And, of course, right on cue he doesn't miss the opportunity to contribute to the "no plan to win the peace" vein, now becoming the primary Iraq meme... and beheading fears, a close second.

Someday, when the screaming and meming stops, proper attention will be paid to the fact that Turkey's betrayal was the pivotal point - for the invasion, sure, - but even moreso regards the "post-war" situation. With the 4th ID in theater 2 things would have changed - massively. First, there would've been a serious thumping of the Sunni Triangle - making the war real to precisely the people who opposed the invasion and respect only raw power - which they would've gotten their fill of with 4th ID forces romping and stomping all resistance. As it is, they never paid any price for their resistance and terror activities / support. Second, a great deal less war materiel would be available to attack troops and civilians with, as well - 4th ID would've swept for stockpiles - and the 3rd ID and 1st MEF would've had more freedom to do the same in the Baghdad region and the cities engaged enroute. Third, there would've been a helluvalot more boots on the ground during the critical time - the first 9-12 months - ready and in position to stop or intercept attacks and supplies, retaliate in strength, and make certain terror did not go unpunished. Because of the delay, I guess, of the 4th ID sailing all over hell to get in-theater, MilCmd completely altered the post-war manning schedule - making incorrect (perhaps stupid) assumptions about pacification and the Triangle. There are not words strong enough, IMHO, to convey my anger - Turkey is fully culpable for much of the resulting cost in personnel since major opns ended. And here we are, long long afterwards, now contemplating, finally, doing what should've occured during the first month of the war.
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#1  Cheers mate!
Posted by: Graise Hupomomp5338 || 10/24/2004 3:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Typical BBC bile. The truth is the UK troops have been in the largely hetrogenous south. There have been few or no IEDs in the south. 2 weeks and this guy is an expert. FOAD. Just more to make me disrespect the UK press.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/24/2004 3:35 Comments || Top||

#3  .com, you can't lay this all on Turkey. Remember, they were responding to Chiraq's message, that if they let the Yanks through, their remote chance to join the EU -- the national ambition for a generation -- would become precisely zero.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/24/2004 9:24 Comments || Top||

#4  TW - The US has been a better friend of Turkey than France ever was - they stabbed us in the back for the empty promises of their french whore - we certainly can and should lay blame there
Posted by: Frank G || 10/24/2004 9:29 Comments || Top||

#5  Golly. I think I've heard this tune before. Americans dumb clod problem makers. Any European, sophisticated elegant problem solver. Got it. GET A NEW FUCKING SONG.
Posted by: Crikey || 10/24/2004 12:22 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
'Understanding of democracy underdeveloped in Pakistan'
Yeah. You might say that... Somebody'll probably try to kill you if you do...
Posted by: Fred || 10/24/2004 11:01:00 PM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Same as in Berkeley.
Posted by: .com || 10/24/2004 1:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Same as the modern Democratic Party, too, .com.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/24/2004 2:41 Comments || Top||

#3  Who needs Democracy when we have the Living Word of the Prophet!!!
Posted by: Anonymous6092 || 10/24/2004 10:18 Comments || Top||

#4  Anonymous

Which one of the multiple versions of the Koran are you talking about?
Posted by: JFM || 10/24/2004 13:56 Comments || Top||

#5  The Bad News Edition?
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 14:33 Comments || Top||

#6  Shipman

Muslims tell that Koran was not created that it ever (ie well before Genesis) existed in the presnt form without a single comma added. So it is ever fun to remind them that the definitive form of the Koran wasn't fixed until several centuries after death of Muhammad (there were sevarl, conflictive versions before that). In addition the scholars who "fixed" the Koran had to rely on guesswork about the meaning of what was written given the imprecision of early Arabic writing (no punctuation, no vowels and lack of the pointing on letters who allows to differentiate them in modern Arabic). So much for the Koran having existed from all eternity.
Posted by: JFM || 10/24/2004 17:39 Comments || Top||

#7  Didn't know that JFM. Thanks. Course my Granny thought that St. James spoke perfect English. >)
Posted by: Shipman || 10/24/2004 19:44 Comments || Top||


'Foreign hand could be involved in Waziristan'
Ahah! I knew it all along!
A "foreign hand" in South Waziristan cannot not be ruled out, Interior Minister Aftab Ahmad Khan Sherpao said on Saturday. He said India did not have any citizens or economic interests in Afghanistan, but had established consulates there near Pakistan's border.
Actually, that's not who first popped to mind...
Sherpao said terrorists in South Waziristan had links to Al Qaeda and were being funded from abroad. He said the ongoing operation in Wana was targeted at militants and security forces had restrained from a large-scale operation just to avoid collateral damage. After being briefed by officials of the Frontier Constabulary (FC) and the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA), Sherpao told reporters that a month ago the government had started a political process for solving the Wana issue and it had the support of the Mehsud tribe. "The tribesmen now recognise that Abdullah Mehsud and foreign militants are responsible for their problems," he said.
It's not The Insidious Doctor Fu Manchu? You sure?
The interior minister said tackling terrorism was a sensitive and difficult task as suicide and car bombings were a new phenomenon in Pakistan. "Our proactive policy has prevented some major disasters," he said. Sherpao said that around 118 FC platoons posted in Punjab and Balochistan would be withdrawn because the federal government was bearing the expenses in these provinces.
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#1  "Foreign hand" = ARAB
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/24/2004 2:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Yea Barbara Saudi Arab, and those Persian guys.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom || 10/24/2004 2:54 Comments || Top||

#3  Obviously Romulans arriving in a "fully-cloaked" Warbird...
Posted by: borgboy || 10/24/2004 18:21 Comments || Top||

#4  Excellent image Fred!
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/24/2004 18:32 Comments || Top||


Foreigners using Pakistani passports in drug trafficking
"See? It wudn't us!"
"But you're the one we can pinch. Assume the position!"
The Anti-Narcotics Force, Sindh, has detected many drug smuggling cases involving foreigners who had used Pakistani passports. "These people have Pakistani passports and use them to visit various countries," a senior official told Daily Times. The aliens originally from South Asian countries mostly use these passports to visit their native countries, he said. A large number of Afghans who were given refugee status in Pakistan also have Pakistani documents and frequently visit the Middle East and Europe on these documents.
...thousands of Bangladeshis, Burmese and Afghans amongst others, who have made their entry into the country on forged documents.

A few months ago senior Pakistani authorities were alarmed when three women were arrested with Pakistani passports at the Dhaka airport with 13 kilogrammes of heroin in their baggage. The Pakistani authorities ordered the relevant agencies to start investigations into the matter, sources said. Sources told Daily Times that the Pakistani authorities had contacted their Bangladeshi counterparts in Dhaka for the details of the women arrested with 13 kilogrammes of heroin, considered one of the largest drug hauls in Bangladesh. Investigations revealed that the women involved in the high-profile drug smuggling case were amongst the illegal immigrants living in a large number in Karachi. According to survey reports compiled by the National Alien Registration Authority (NARA) at least two million illegal entrants live in Karachi alone. Thousands of other aliens live in Balochistan's industrial town of Hub and the coastal areas of Sindh. Daily Times learnt that these alien women were among the thousands of Bangladeshis, Burmese and Afghans amongst others, who have made their entry into the country on forged documents. They were aided by corrupt elements in the government machinery that helped them get national identity cards and other related documents that gave them legal status as Pakistanis.
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