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Europe
Dutch grapple with immigration explosion and their future
Dutch only?

By Georgie Anne Geyer

WASHINGTON --Dutch politicians, analysts and diplomats met at a luncheon last week at the Royal Netherlands Embassy with a warning for several hundred of their compatriots living here. They hoped to engage in an influential discussion about what happens when a prosperous but inattentive state gives in to the multicultural delusions of the left and lets large numbers of culturally hostile immigrants enter the land.
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Posted by: anonymous5089 || 05/01/2006 14:48 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Extreme tolerance of and deference to foreign cultures when they come in conflict with a nation's culture and heritage is national suicide.
Posted by: RWV || 05/01/2006 15:36 Comments || Top||

#2  I wonder if anyone has told the Nederlanders that Allan hates dikes?
Posted by: Besoeker || 05/01/2006 15:50 Comments || Top||

#3  And he's not too fond of gay guys either.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 05/01/2006 16:25 Comments || Top||

#4  It started with World War II, which was really a mass European suicide.

No. It started with WW I which was mass European suicide. They don't even study their own history over there any more.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 05/01/2006 16:29 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Uno de Mayo
By Lowell Ponte

“We’re going to close down Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, Tucson, Phoenix, Fresno” on May Day this Monday, labor organizer Jorge Rodriquez told the British wire service Reuters.

“We want full amnesty, full legalization for anybody who is here [illegally],” said Rodriquez, organizer for one of the unions of AFSCME, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees of the AFL-CIO. “That is the message that is going to be played out across the country on May 1.”

Listen to the cynicism behind Rodriquez’s arrogant statement. Government workers who belong to AFSCME unions will not see their jobs taken or wages depressed by illegal aliens, as will poor and undereducated American citizens. On the contrary, illegal aliens will generate more government jobs – the one sector where unionization is growing – with their demand for more taxpayer-funded services (read: welfare).

By one estimate, every illegal alien household in America on average consumes at least $2,736 more in taxpayer-funded services than it pays in taxes each year. This adds a total burden that could exceed $27 billion on American citizen taxpayers.

Six decades have passed since the last large organized labor protest in the United States staged on May Day, the traditional date of the Soviet Union’s annual parade of its latest weapons through Moscow’s Red Square and holiday for its Euro-socialist fellow-travelers.

The radicals have insisted on May Day for “Day Without Immigrants” nationwide Hispanic rallies and “Buy Nothing Gringo” business boycotts, as well as work and school walkouts, and planned disruptions of major American cities (including cities such as New York and Chicago that historically were never “Mexican” territory).
Rest at link.
Go buy something "Gringo" today.
Posted by: ed || 05/01/2006 09:17 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I sure hope this flops. Anyway, I'm in my office in downtown Chicago today and I should be able to give a report on the demonstration here.
Posted by: Spot || 05/01/2006 9:32 Comments || Top||

#2  Ok so we refuse the permits to protest, arrest the protestors, hold them for three days to process, and deport the ones that are not legal. Then, charge the ones that are legal with sedition. He, Rodriquez, admits his intent to shut down our cities and creat hardships on America. This is pretty plain that his concern is not America but his own personal agenda.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 05/01/2006 9:39 Comments || Top||

#3  "In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
--Theodore Roosevelt, 1919
Posted by: 49 Pan || 05/01/2006 9:40 Comments || Top||

#4  This former AFSCME member (Local 2960) is going to "celebrate" this day by going shopping, and her sweetie, an immigrant (but a legal one...so Mr Rodriquez could care less about him, I'm sure) is celebrating it by going to work and paying taxes to a country that is dragging it's butt getting him his green card.
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 05/01/2006 9:44 Comments || Top||

#5  DB,
I'm not totally read on to the process but from what I've seen I do think we should rework in the process. I watch a friend trying to get a green card for his Thai wife and it was a nightmare. Since he was military and they worked in embassies, moving every two years, he was constantly starting over in the process and at best it was slow and problematic.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 05/01/2006 9:56 Comments || Top||

#6  Not only should illegals be arrested and deported, all of their possessions (money, house, clothes, whatever) here in the US should be seized as they are goods gained during the commission of a crime.

Just start doing that and the rest will self-deport rather quickly.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 05/01/2006 10:01 Comments || Top||

#7  There is no discrimination against immigrants - at least not the LEGAL ones. And thats the whole purpose of these things: to blur the line between criminals (illegal aliens) and citizens-to-be (immigrants), so as to make proper debate impossible and allow the left to demagogue on this.

Funny thing, this "immigration" day doesnt seem to be getting any traction in the Russian community here, nor the Chinese nor Japanese. And its generating hostility from the SE Asia and Indonesians.

But the Christian Africans especially are hostile to this: they hate this stuff - to quote one I know "I came here legally, why do they think they deserve to break the rules when many more like me are trying to get here away from genocide?"

I guess its all Orwell - some are more equal than others in the eyes of the communists and LaRaza and Aztlan activists behind all this.

Expose them for what they are - I hope the bandanas and Che posters are all over their rallys.

Posted by: OldSpook || 05/01/2006 10:07 Comments || Top||

#8  Page 2 exposes the commies for this.
Posted by: 49 Pan || 05/01/2006 10:09 Comments || Top||

#9  I'm all for it. There was a lot fewer beat up pick-ups slowing traffic this morning.
Posted by: DoDo || 05/01/2006 10:57 Comments || Top||

#10  This isn't a 'Immigration march' its a 'Illegal Alien' march. These are not immigrants. These are ILLEGAL aliens - here in violation of federal law.

I too am going shopping this afternoon after work. Funny how all these people seem to have the time to attend these rallies during a workday (both today and the one a few weeks ago).

I'm sure the local politicians here in the Peoples Republic of Seattle will go all out to patronize the illegal alien vote (already having a lock on the dead and imaginary friends vote).

DB - Good luck on your green card. We just had our 'conditions' removed on my wife's GC last year. Its a long slow process.

BTW: Michelle Malkin is reprinting information about the PRO-Enforcement rallies on her Blog. I'm sure the MSM won't mention them.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 05/01/2006 11:12 Comments || Top||

#11  49pan, I agree, since me & my sweetie have had our share of screwups with his application (moving in the middle of it really messes things up, I know that from personal experience, too).

However, granting full amnesty/legalization to people who are here illegally from the start can't do anything but make the "system" even worse than it already is.

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OS, you didn't really think the Russians would celebrate May Day, did you? I know one personally who would rather be caught dead.... ;)
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 05/01/2006 11:16 Comments || Top||

#12  Traffic was easier getting into the city (Chicago) today. We should have these rallies more often.
Posted by: Steve White || 05/01/2006 11:28 Comments || Top||

#13  If you think about it, businesses of any size that close today are effectively self-identifying for INS.

Thank you, assholes. May your raid visit come soon.
Posted by: Jinerong Thaitch3597 || 05/01/2006 11:29 Comments || Top||

#14  bet the % of drivers on the road with auto insurance soared today
Posted by: Frank G || 05/01/2006 12:13 Comments || Top||

#15  All the Mexican restaurants in the area are closed. A lot of people here at work say they won't go to them any more. it would be interesting to see how much business they do in the next week.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 05/01/2006 12:31 Comments || Top||

#16  I'm hoping that all of the companies that break the law by exploiting illegal aliens take a substantial economic hit today. At least for one day the companies that play by the rules will have an advantage. Heres to a huge success!
Posted by: DepotGuy || 05/01/2006 13:31 Comments || Top||

#17  Update from Chicago-
Pretty good sized crowd going down Jackson Blvd. There are professional organizers in green t-shirts; lots of kids; very peaceful; no puppets;(
Posted by: Spot || 05/01/2006 13:54 Comments || Top||

#18  No puppets? We've got some here in San Francisco lots of Che placards too. ...funny thing the few Mexican restaurants I checked out were all open. No matter - I'm eating Chinese today.
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 05/01/2006 14:10 Comments || Top||

#19  I guarantee no Russians woudl celebrate May Day - especially the ones that came over here from the mid/early 1980's on back - they took real risks doing so.

And there's the difference: The Immigrants wanted Freedom, the Illigeal Aliens want to Freeload.
Posted by: Oldspook || 05/01/2006 14:22 Comments || Top||

#20  While Rome expended its gold, resources and energy fighting the Persians, it was the quiet tidal wave of Gothic immigration across the Rhine frontier that did them in. It was all rationalized then too. Not enough resources to handle it all. Manpower shortages. They'll Romanize. Yep. In the end they owned Rome. Something about the traditional Roman citizen had long ago been forgotten and didn't see much difference in who ruled them. It wasn't their government anymore. The ruling elite in Rome didn't give a fig about the plebians and they didn't give a fig about the elites. The elites soon found themselves outsourced by foreigners.
Posted by: Omerong Clitch6717 || 05/01/2006 14:35 Comments || Top||

#21  Update from Knoxville Tn... No parade, no protesters. Everyone has bills to pay and mouths to feed.
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 05/01/2006 14:57 Comments || Top||

#22  The Immigrants wanted Freedom, the Illigeal Aliens want to Freeload.

Um, no. They want to work. Given the chance, they would also prefer to pay taxes.
Posted by: Rafael || 05/01/2006 15:06 Comments || Top||

#23  Rafael, once again, it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not they want to work. America is a nation of laws. People who will not obey America's laws are criminals, no matter what their intentions. And CRIMINALS are not welcome here.

I don't have a problem with working out an arrangement to let Mexicans work here and become citizens, but I'll be damned if I ever give a penny to any political entity that rewards the criminals who are here now. They want to come to the states, go back to Mexico and get in line.
Posted by: RWV || 05/01/2006 15:29 Comments || Top||

#24  Um, no. They want to work. Given the chance, they would also prefer to pay taxes.

Any bets that people who can't be bothered to obey our immigration laws would be bothered to obey our tax laws?

Personally, I doubt they would.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 05/01/2006 15:34 Comments || Top||

#25  They want to work. Given the chance, they would also prefer to pay taxes

Rafael,
I agree that many are willing to work. However, they do things like claim lots of exemptions so that almost nothing is withheld other than FICA. Then they don't bother to file a return, and as a result, pay no taxes. Also, many work off the books, so nothing at all gets withheld, not even FICA.

Note for non-US residents: roughly speaking, in the US, there are 2 types of federal taxes withheld: FICA, which pays for social security and other programs, and is about 7% of gross income, subject to a yearly limit. Then the income tax, which is based on your salary, minus an amount for each of the exemptions you have, such as children. By claiming a large number of dependents, you can effectively have almost nothing withheld for income tax. Of course, doing so is illegal. Not filing an income tax report is also illega. But then, being in the United States without proper paperwork is illegal, too.
Posted by: Rambler || 05/01/2006 15:34 Comments || Top||

#26  Rafael, if you happen to know any illegals who want to pay taxes, send 'em my way. I've got plenty to share.....

Posted by: Desert Blondie || 05/01/2006 17:52 Comments || Top||

#27  Al over the USA there are groups of illegal aliens on street corners posing as "day laboreres" they pay no taxes , they take no responsibility.

Also, many work off the books, so nothing at all gets withheld, not even FICA.
True about the exemptions etc.
EVEN SO.. the IRS reports 7 million or so invalid W-2's.
That's a fair day's work that someone needs to do.

Illegals represent 4.6% of the US workforce.
Coincidentally our unemployment rate is also about 4.6%
Please bear in mind that unemployment figures reflect only workers who show up at the unemplyment office, wait in line and are looking. Slackers and disillusioned burn-outs are not counted.
Posted by: jim#6 || 05/01/2006 19:10 Comments || Top||

#28  Sorry, Mr Rodriquez, but only "hundreds" turned out in Phoenix for rallies and protests at Home Depot. Considering that almost half of the illegals are coming in through Arizona, that's damn pathetic.
Posted by: Desert Blondie || 05/01/2006 19:16 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
League of Dictators?
Why China and Russia Will Continue to Support Autocracies

By Robert Kagan

Ever since liberalism emerged in the 18th century, its inevitable conflict with autocracy has helped shape international politics. What James Madison called "the great struggle of the epoch between liberty and despotism" dominated much of the 19th century and most of the 20th, when liberal powers lined up against various forms of autocracy in wars both hot and cold.
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Posted by: anonymous5089 || 05/01/2006 13:07 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ... so people now talk of a "Chinese model" in which political autocracy and economic growth go hand in hand.

Um ... no. Only morons talk about "autocracy and economic growth" going hand in hand. Ever since the dawn of mankind, tribal chieftains, royalty, dictators and theocratic rulers have sought to force their underclass to support whatever arbitrary socio-economic structure they have used to justify their own existence. More often than not, it has involved an intensely parasitic relationship with the aforementioned underclass (see: "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond).

Autocrats have little, if anything, to do with "economic growth." Most often, they have everything to do with plundering, raping and pillaging wealth wherever they can sniff it out or happen to stumble across it.
Posted by: Zenster || 05/01/2006 20:22 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Spengler in Asia Times: Why there will be war.
.. War will come, even though President George W Bush wants it as little as did Emperor Franz Josef.

Neither Washington nor Tehran wants military confrontation. Nevertheless it will come, just as many great wars came despite the desire of the belligerents to avoid them
...

...None of them wanted war, none of them expected war, yet all of them found war preferable to the consequences of avoiding war. If an Aeschylus were alive today to dramatize the outbreak of World War I, he could lift the chorus' every line from the private dispatches of European leaders in July 1914. Like the old men of Mycenae observing Agamemnon's return to the home where his unfaithful wife Clytemnestra would murder him, the old men of Europe watched in horror as peace slipped out of their hands.
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Posted by: 3dc || 05/01/2006 16:23 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Spengler sounds like VDH on drugs.
Posted by: Xbalanke || 05/01/2006 17:21 Comments || Top||

#2  Harsh as it might seem, preemption - an aerial attack on Iran's nuclear facilities - is the most humane solution.

You mean to say I had to read through this entire article to finally be told what I've been saying here for the last few months?
Posted by: Zenster || 05/01/2006 17:29 Comments || Top||

#3  If Spengler eats his Wheaties and Wonder Bread, says his prayers at bedtime, studies hard in school, only crosses the street at the crosswalk and with the light, plays well with the other journalists, colors inside the lines, and doesn't run with scissors in his hand, someday, when he grows up, he may be half as good as VDH if VDH were on drugs.
Posted by: Mike || 05/01/2006 17:30 Comments || Top||

#4  Spengler predicted about a year ago that the US was going to withdraw most of its troops from Iraq right about now. He said that American casualties would fall significantly as US troops handed off their primary responsibilities to Iraqi forces. I'm still waiting. In fact, I would argue that handing off security responsibilities will be a high casualty process for GI's even if our guys are doing less, simply because it is our aggressive patrols in the badlands that keep the enemy's head down. Everything I've read indicates that Iraqi troops are nowhere near as aggressive as our guys, preferring to hunker down in fixed positions instead of patrolling. This should *increase* our casualties in any hand-off situation, unless the guerrillas are on their last legs.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 05/01/2006 19:38 Comments || Top||

#5  Neither Washington nor Tehran wants military confrontation.

Wrong. Tehran wants war; they have since they invaded our embassy.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 05/01/2006 21:57 Comments || Top||

#6  Ahmadinejad s a religious fanatic. He wants Armageddon. He feels that if he triggers a war, it will pre-sage the return of the hidden Imam. He believes that he's a personal agent of Allah, some sort of prophet. Negotiating with this guy is a waste of time. Russia is making big bucks as Iran's chief supplier. Working with Russia is a waste of time. Europe is in complete denial. Working with Europe is a waste of time. The sooner the US deals with Iran militarily, the better.
Posted by: DMFD || 05/01/2006 22:10 Comments || Top||

#7  Gotta wonder iff all of these anti-America Hispanic activists protesting alongside normal Hispanic illegals today have read the Chicoms defense white paper yet - do these activists realize they are fighting for the return of territories which the Chicoms prob had already counted as theirs in the white paper's premises for Chicom-control of 1/2 or more of CONUS. DO THEY REALLY THINK THAT HELPING TO DEFEAT OR DESTROY AMERICA WILL SAVE THEM FROM THE COMMIES OR CHICOMS??? Jimmy Carter's inaction to defend US interests, espec after the Commies wilfully lied to him, is what caused Jimbo his job as POTUS and respect from the American people.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 05/01/2006 23:41 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Andy Garcia's Thought Crime
By Humberto Fontova

Andy Garcia blew it big-time with his movie The Lost City. He blew it with the mainstream critics that is. Almost unanimously, they're tearing apart a movie 16 years in the making, which Garcia both directed and stars in. In this engaging drama of a middle-class Cuban family crumbling during free Havana's last days, Garcia insisted on depicting some historical truth about Cuba -- a grotesque and unforgivable blunder in his industry. He's now paying the price.

Earlier, many film festivals refused to screen it. Now many Latin American countries refuse to show it. The film's offenses are many and varied. Most unforgivable of all, Che Guevara is shown killing people in cold blood.
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Posted by: anonymous5089 || 05/01/2006 13:22 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Che Guevara is shown killing people in cold blood.

Thats the problem with Liberals - they cannot deal with the truth, so they try to change the wording and context until they have stood the truth on its head. Che goes from cold blooded executionar of the revolution to some sort of labor hero in latin america.

People are so gullible.
Posted by: Oldspook || 05/01/2006 14:27 Comments || Top||

#2  Che Guevara is shown killing people in cold blood.
From Frontpage mag too and by the same author (I thought it had been posted here, but I can't find it) :
Fidel's Executioner
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 05/01/2006 14:47 Comments || Top||

#3  Liberals just think that Che Guevara is a line of designer T-shirts.
Posted by: RWV || 05/01/2006 15:34 Comments || Top||

#4  Liberals just think that Che Guevara is a line of designer T-shirts.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 05/01/2006 15:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Dang, should have been
Liberals just think that Che Guevara is a line of designer T-shirts.
My bad. At least I didn't mistakenly put one of my "special bookmarks" in the link.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 05/01/2006 15:38 Comments || Top||


Home Front Economy
Ethanol: A Tragedy in Three Acts
EFL It started with Congress, which mandated that even more ethanol be used to extend the nation's fuel supply. From General Motors, an ad campaign called "Live Green, Go Yellow" gave America the impression that by purchasing GM vehicles capable of using E85 ethanol, we could help reduce our dependence on foreign oil. What GM left out of its ads was that the use of this fuel would likely increase the amount of smog during the summer months (as the EPA's own attorneys had admitted in 1995) -- and that using E85 in GM products would lower their fuel efficiency by as much as 25%. (USA Today recently reported that the Energy Dept. estimated the drop in mileage at 40%.)

But one final setup for the public has gone unnoticed. At the Web site, www.fueleconomy.gov, which confirms the 25% to 30% drop in mileage resulting from the use of this blended fuel, another feature lets users calculate and compare annual fuel costs using regular gasoline to costs using E85.

But the government site's automatic calculations are based on E85 selling for 37 cents per gallon less than regular gasoline, when the USA Today article reports that at many stations in the Midwest E85 is actually selling for 13 cents per gallon more than ordinary gas. Using the corrected prices for both gasoline and E85, the annual cost of fueling GM's Suburban goes from $2,709 to $3,763. Hence the suggestion that truth in advertising should come back into play. Possibly GM could rename this ad campaign "Shell Out Green, Turn Yellow."
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Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 05/01/2006 09:41 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The problem isn't the ethanol, it's the ethanol for those uses. There should be large-scale ethanol production in the US, but for all sorts of small, fuel-cell, low power and constant current devices.

That is, in future, the typical US family could consume a 5-gallon jug of ethanol a week, delivered to them like bottled water. They would use this ethanol to power fuel cells running their computers, house LED lighting (now far superior to incandescent or flourescent lighting, with many more lumens per watt), televisions and other entertainment equipment, etc., using house current and/or natural gas for major appliances, AC and heat.

For vehicles, industrial CO2 bubbled through algae to produce both biodiesel and some ethanol, at a far cheaper cost than plant-produced biodiesel, would provide the high power and variable currents needed for vehicles and industrial uses, again augumented with commercial electricity and natural gas.

The bottom line is that ethanol only has 50% of the energy of gasoline, and there is no way around that problem. So the solution is several different energy sources available for many different applications.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 05/01/2006 10:31 Comments || Top||

#2 
That is, in future, the typical US family could consume a 5-gallon jug of ethanol a week, delivered to them like bottled water. They would use this ethanol to power fuel cells running their computers, house LED lighting (now far superior to incandescent or flourescent lighting, with many more lumens per watt), televisions and other entertainment equipment, etc., using house current and/or natural gas for major appliances, AC and heat.


And in the process waste a hell of a lot more energy than the current distribution grid.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 05/01/2006 10:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Today nukes and hydrogen are the way to go, ultimately. But between now and then, who knows where the market takes us. And who knows what biogenetic miracles occur ultimately. In any case, attaching ourselves to the volatility of supply and price associated with petroleum is a mistake. We need the oil import fee to stimulate these alternative sources of supply. Let the market determine the winner. It's obvious that won't be ethanol.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 05/01/2006 10:48 Comments || Top||

#4  "... consume a 5-gallon jug of ethanol a week ..."

Not even Uncle Earl could drink that much 'shine. Still, it might make one not care so much about the DDoS hacker attacks.
Posted by: Glenmore || 05/01/2006 13:39 Comments || Top||

#5  That is, in future, the typical US family could consume a 5-gallon jug of ethanol a week, delivered to them like bottled water.

How about a Hydrogen generator making hydrogen from natural gas ( already available from a pipe) to power your whole house and car too. (Honda)
Posted by: jim#6 || 05/01/2006 13:49 Comments || Top||

#6  http://world.honda.com/news/2006/4060108FCX/

Posted by: jim#6 || 05/01/2006 13:50 Comments || Top||

#7  The big advantage of fuel cell ethanol is for small, stable power devices. Literally, you use a small syringe to fill their tank. Cellphones, laptops, etc., that are out of the optimal profile for batteries, or can be used instead of batteries.

Before I said 5 gallons, but that is way too much. A typical family might use between a pint and a quart a week, maybe as much as a gallon if things like "house robots" become technically feasible.

The bottom line is not to replace your electricity consumption, but to augument it during peak times, for portability, and in lieu of batteries.

I'm sure that dumbasses would think about drinking pretty pure fuel ethanol, so they would probably include some foul-tasting additive, like they do with natural gas.

The bottom line for this is that it is far more economical to use several different energy sources than to rely on just two: gasoline and the power grid. The trick is to cherry pick the best power source for the best application--of which there are many to choose.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 05/01/2006 14:24 Comments || Top||

#8  Fuel cells are a better battery. Thtat's it. Start and end of story. I don't know what percentage of total energy consumption goes into batteries, but I'd be surprised if it was as high as 1%.

Otherwise, you are coupling more energy efficient devices to a particular means of distributing energy (and a particularly inefficient means of distributing energy), namely ethanol fuel cells. I see no need for such a coupling.

You are falling into the same trap that has bedeviled the whole energy alternatives debate for years. Make it complex enough, ignore the ineffiencies that result from converting one form of energy to another and you can make any claim you like.
Posted by: phil_b || 05/01/2006 17:23 Comments || Top||

#9  I'd pay a premium for fuel if I knew that not one cent of the cost went to the ####ing Saudis, the Mad Mullahs, or Hugo Chavez.
Posted by: DMFD || 05/01/2006 18:35 Comments || Top||

#10  The other negative aspect of this inefficient fuel is that numerous studies have found that ethanol creates less energy than is required to make it. Other studies have found that ethanol creates "slightly" more energy than is used in its production. Yet not one of these studies takes into account that when E85 is used, the vehicle's fuel efficiency drops by at least 25% -- and possibly by as much as 40%. Using any of the accredited studies as a baseline in an energy-efficiency equation, ethanol when used as a fuel is a net energy waste.

Note the bolded portion of the above statement. It is simple scientific truth that energy cannot be created nor destroyed and that there are 3 basic laws of thermodynamics - 1) You can't win, 2) You can't break even, and 3) You can't get out of the game.

If ethanol created more energy than it required to produce it would break the basic law that you cannot create energy, merely transform it from one form to another, plus it would break all three laws of simple thermodynamics.

Ethanol requires energy to produce thus the energy ethanol produces must be lower than the energy required to produce it. It's called entropy and the Carnot Cycle.

What idiots...

Posted by: FOTSGreg || 05/01/2006 19:33 Comments || Top||

#11  That is, in future, the typical US family could consume a 5-gallon jug of ethanol a week, delivered to them like bottled water.

Jez one big happy family ... HIC!
Posted by: Zenster || 05/01/2006 20:29 Comments || Top||



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