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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Intruder in home today shot, killed (Kentucky)
An intruder was shot and killed early today at a house in Covington, police said. Jerry Setzer, 44, called police at 3:31 a.m. and said he had shot a man who had broken into his house at 329 Delmar Place and assaulted him, said Lt. Col. Spike Jones, spokesman for the Covington Police Department.

One other person was in the house at the time, but police would not say who that person was. "We believe the victim (Setzer) and the other person in the house were in fear of their lives at the time," Jones said. "It's our belief at this time that the homeowner was fending off a continuing assault."

It was not known if the intruder was armed. Kentucky statutes allow for the use of lethal force when a person has a reasonable fear of harm.
So do the statutes of most states, as well as the English common law, not that today's UK authorities would know it.
Setzer, who has lived in the house for 12 years, shot the intruder with a handgun, but police declined to say what caliber it was or how many times Setzer fired the gun.
Enough on both counts, it would seem.
The intruder, whose name was not released, was pronounced dead shortly after the shooting at St. Elizabeth Medical Center North.

There was no information on the extent of the injuries Setzer sustained.
The key fact is that he is not dead, whereas the intruder is a goner.
Might have a bruised shoulder from the recoil.
No motive for the break-in had been established, and Jones could not say if Setzer knew the intruder. There had not been recent reports of similar break-ins in the neighborhood, Jones said.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 03/21/2007 06:55 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  He was armed and saved himself. Because he was armed with a gun, he COULD save himself. Had he not been armed, he would probably be dead now. God helps those who help themselves.
Posted by: Mac || 03/21/2007 9:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Problem: Law says I can't defend myself with deadly force unless I am in fear for my life. But I have my 12 gauge pointed at the door the perp is breaking through, so I don't really fear for my life, since I can kill the SOB before he does anything to me. But if I put the gun down, THEN I fear for my life and would be justified in killing but I wouldn't have the means to do so.
A legal conundrum.
Posted by: Glenmore || 03/21/2007 10:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Glenmore---You would have fear for your life if the perp is breaking through the dooor. You would best be getting enough distance, if possible, to allow the perp to be identified before you nail him. Also, you are responsible for the final resting place of each round you fire. Don't want to hit any innocents in the neighborhood. All this decisiion making in a very short time. Training and working out scenarios is a good idea.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 03/21/2007 10:23 Comments || Top||

#4  No conundrum, G. If he breaks through your door you already have a basis for believing he intends to do harm to you. And if he's within 21 feet of you, he can cover that ground in less that 1 second and the police know it. His butt is yours as soon as he comes through the door.

Shoot to stop: center of mass, then head. For your own sake, you would do well to make sure the perp is dead. You don't want to have a civil suit to defend against later. Never, however, admit that to anyone else. As far as you are publicly concerned, you were shooting only to neutralize the threat and stopped shooting as soon as it was neutralized.

If such a thing occurs, you'd be very well advised to tell the police, quite politely, that while you have every intention of cooperating fully, you will not make a statement or answer questions until you have your lawyer present and have consulted with him. Remember: however much you wish they were, the police are NOT your friends in this situation. It's as imperative that you keep your head at this time in dealing with them as it was while you were shooting it out with the perp.
Posted by: Mac || 03/21/2007 10:29 Comments || Top||

#5  "Don't want to hit any innocents in the neighborhood."
Which is why the 12 gauge, not the .30-'06

"make sure the perp is dead."
Which is why the 12 gauge, not the .22. And at 15 feet, it's hard to miss.
Posted by: Glenmore || 03/21/2007 11:00 Comments || Top||

#6  While I don't have a self-defense weapon in the house, I'm told that a pump-action .410 shotgun works well. Load it with birdshot -- that's unlikely to kill but it darned sure will stop someone. Plus the pellets won't reach the house next door and injure an innocent.

And there's the satisfying 'snick-snack' sound of a pump-action weapon that causes most intruders to freeze in their tracks.

Just a thought.
Posted by: Steve White || 03/21/2007 12:37 Comments || Top||

#7  Too bad...another wasted perp. Dead perp society?
Posted by: CB || 03/21/2007 13:26 Comments || Top||

#8  Massachusetts could learn a thing or two from Kentucky.

More at Link:Police Look For Armed Home Invasion Suspects
(WBZ) SUDBURY Police are looking for three men accused of breaking into a home in Sudbury.

According to Lieutenant Scott Nix, the suspects entered a home on Fairbanks Circle Monday morning and flashed a handgun to the victims inside.

No one was injured during the break in, but the suspects did manage to make off with cash and a Sony PlayStation, said Lt. Nix.


Posted by: Delphi2005 || 03/21/2007 13:59 Comments || Top||

#9  the police are NOT your friends in this situation.

If you have a choice call the County mounties viz. city police.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/21/2007 14:49 Comments || Top||

#10  Never shoot anybody unless you kill them. People tend to seek revenge even if it's multable law suits.
Posted by: wxjames || 03/21/2007 16:00 Comments || Top||

#11  Lt. Col. Spike Jones

Who then treated Mr. Setzer to cocktails for two.
Posted by: Zenster || 03/21/2007 16:04 Comments || Top||

#12  that was a hell of a handgun if he got a bruise on his shoulder from the recoil
Posted by: sinse || 03/21/2007 16:07 Comments || Top||

#13  Steve White---You better have selected the weapon with adequate stopping power. Druggies hopped up on PCP are like supermen, and it takes some weapon with stopping power to take them out of the fight. From my training, you use the largest weapon that you can safely and accurately handle to protect yourself for the circumstances anticipated.

It would also be good to research and review the laws concerning self defense and the use of force in your state and community.

The training is so important in this area. The combat triad: mindset---gunhandling---marksmanship needs to be complete to win. You cannot learn on the job, so to speak. We went through some frightening scenarios in training, actual exercises. Sh*t happens real fast. My brother-in-law is a retired cop. He got into two situations where he had to shoot and kill the bad guy, up close and personal. His training got him through and on top, but he still got shot badly in the arm on one of the situations.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 03/21/2007 16:08 Comments || Top||

#14  Even if I had a shotgun and there was someone on the other side of the door, I'd be in fear for my life - for all I knew, they could be about to open up with a MAC-10.
Posted by: Thavith Poodle5578 || 03/21/2007 18:31 Comments || Top||

#15  AP, good points. No question one needs training, not just with the weapon but situational training as well.

I suggested a 410 and birdshot because, as opposed to some other opinions here, I'd prefer not to kill the perpetrator. Your points are good ones, however.
Posted by: Steve White || 03/21/2007 19:06 Comments || Top||

#16  "I suggested a 410 and birdshot because, as opposed to some other opinions here, I'd prefer not to kill the perpetrator."

A .410 filled with birdshot is for popping pheasants, not protecting your family in a home invasion situation.

When it goes down, Steve, you're going to have about 5 seconds to make a fundamental decision: am I gonna let this bastard kill me, and my wife and my daughter, or am I gonna kill him instead? There are no compromises AT ALL, no halfway measures. Once you pull the trigger on ANYTHING, even just a child's water pistol, it's unlikely your perp is going to give you any choice but to kill him or be killed.

And if all you're shooting is a .410 loaded with birdshot, killing him is going to be well nigh impossible-- in fact, if he's wearing a heavy leather jacket it's unlikely the shot will even penetrate his clothing, much less injure him.

You're best off using the heaviest-duty armament you can competently control. A 12-ga. with #1 shot is a good choice. Or a .45 cal. automatic or .357 Magnum revolver. For indoor use, use Glaser Safety Slugs, Cor-bon or some other frangible ammunition that's both highly lethal and unlikely to penetrate construction materials like sheetrock.

If you're going to shoot, shoot to kill-- and then some. Otherwise, don't shoot at all.

Posted by: Dave D. || 03/21/2007 20:16 Comments || Top||

#17  Winchester Defender, 12 GA, 18" barrel, pistol grip and 8 shells of .00 here. I'd rather defend myself in court than be mourned in death.
Posted by: Frank G || 03/21/2007 20:20 Comments || Top||


Snake bite at Wal Mart
A 44 year old man was bitten by a snake Monday afternoon while shopping at the Wal Mart in Marana.
When you have thousands of stores and millions of employees, practically anything can happen. Speakng of cold-blooded reptiles, I understand that there are special seminars for lawyers interested in suing Wal-Mart and that running these seminars is, itself, a sizable business.
The Northwest Fire Department says the man was in the garden department at about 3:30 p.m. reaching for a bag of lava rock.
They sell this stuff? I know where there's a whole state made out of it, namely Hawaii.
That's when a 3.5 foot long Western Diamondback Rattlesnake bit him in the forearm.

EMS Captain Adam Goldberg says a Wal Mart employee at the I-10 and Cortaro Farms location killed the snake.
PETA is preparing to sue.
The man was taken to Northwest Hospital where he was treated with an anti-venom. He is expected to be in the hospital for a couple of days.

Northwest Fire Division Chief Randy Karrer said, "Those snakes are very quick right now they're coming out and they're hungry they're looking for some food."
And what better place to go than Wal-Mart? Wal-Mart has been seeking to expand its food business but I don't think is what they had in mind.
Karrer reminds people to be cautious when out at night. He recommends carrying a flashlight and a walking stick.
A 12 gauge would also be nice.
Anyone who gets bitten by a snake should try to remain calm and move as little as possible. Call 911 or get to a hospital right away.
A laughably PC rattlesnake warning sign posted in (where else?) Monterrey, California. (Hat tip: LGF)
AC's version.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 03/21/2007 06:11 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In that part of Arizona, all residents need to look into their ovens before putting their hands in, ditto for putting for putting their shoes on in the morning, they never know who or what has moved in during the night...
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 03/21/2007 6:47 Comments || Top||

#2  Anyone else ever seen the show "Survivor Man"? The best meal he's ever had in all his week-long treks was a rattlesnake he came across in a Georgia swamp.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 03/21/2007 7:30 Comments || Top||

#3  Anyone else ever seen the show "Survivor Man"? The best meal he's ever had in all his week-long treks was a rattlesnake he came across in a Georgia swamp.

I've had Diamond Back Rattlesnake before; it tastes sorta like minced Polar Bear Cub and Snow Leopard and California Condor in a taco shell.
Posted by: RD || 03/21/2007 11:39 Comments || Top||

#4  I know where there's a whole state made out of it, namely Hawaii.

Do not take the lava rocks from Hawaii. Pele will grow angry with you and clouds will follow you all the days of your life. (My boyfriend took a tour up Mt. Etna once. He said the tour guides encouraged people to take lava rocks. "We know it's bad luck in Hawaii," they said, "but it's OK here.")

...and California Condor in a taco shell.

Made from genetically modified corn?
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 03/21/2007 12:32 Comments || Top||

#5  I've had Diamond Back Rattlesnake before; it tastes sorta like minced Polar Bear Cub and Snow Leopard and California Condor in a taco shell.

Hmmm. Interesting. I thought it tasted more like Spotted Owl and Baby Sea Otter myself, with a hint of Baby Harp Seal.
Posted by: Chiper Threreger8956 || 03/21/2007 12:52 Comments || Top||

#6  us condors don't appreciate condor tacos.

signed: 3 Days of the Condor

Posted by: 3dc || 03/21/2007 13:53 Comments || Top||

#7  Ima ¢À Baby Seal.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/21/2007 14:51 Comments || Top||

#8  Well that was damn clever. Ima cent baby seal? Jeebuz. Club damnit, club.
Posted by: Shipman || 03/21/2007 14:52 Comments || Top||

#9  In that part of Arizona, all residents need to look into their ovens before putting their hands in, ditto for putting for putting their shoes on in the morning, they never know who or what has moved in during the night..."

Go to a womean's shoe store. Get some peds (short little nylons). Stretch them over the top openings of your boots before bed at night.

No more creepy crawlies in your boots in the AM.
Posted by: no mo uro || 03/21/2007 20:44 Comments || Top||


Definitely Not Cricket
POLICE are treating the death of Pakistan cricket coach Bob Woolmer as as suspicious and cricket officials say they believe he may have been murdered. Jamaican police announced today investigations had provided "sufficient information" to continue probing the coach's death.

Pakistan Cricket Board spokesman Pervez Mir said: "The police suspect that Woolmer may have been murdered."
Let's see: died all alone in a hotel room in a foreign country after a humiliating defeat to a small country on the cricket pitch. Nothing suspicious about that.
Woolmer, 58, was found unconscious in his hotel room in Jamaica on Sunday morning and was pronounced dead after being transferred to hospital. His death came a day after Pakistan suffered a shock World Cup defeat to Ireland on Saturday, ending its chances of reaching the next round and sparking widespread anger among cricket fans Pakistan.
Pakistan losing to Ireland at the cricket world cup is like the USA losing to Trinidad in the Olympic ice hockey competition, but with a lot more muzzie national pride involved.
Posted by: phil_b || 03/21/2007 02:22 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Pakistan cricket coach Bob Woolmer, found dead a day after Pakistan’s shock defeat at the hands of Ireland, was murdered, police have confirmed. Although the Pakistan Cricket Board has been claiming that the autopsy conducted on Woolmer was inconclusive, sources, according to Times Now, have confirmed that investigators have indeed said the coach was murdered.

In fact, the Jamaican Police is said to be already ascertaining the whereabouts of some of the Pakistan players at the time the murder could have taken place. Sources confirmed to Times Now that further questioning of Pakistan players is on the cards as well.

The confirmation comes soon after allegations by former Pakistan pacer Sarfaraz Nawaz that Woolmer was murdered by the betting syndicate. The outspoken Nawaz has said that almost everybody in control of the game is involved in betting and Woolmer was perhaps about to reveal all in a book.
Posted by: John Frum || 03/21/2007 7:11 Comments || Top||

#2  Should help recruiting.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 03/21/2007 7:20 Comments || Top||

#3  Does anyone remember the 1994 FIFA World Cup?

On July 2, 1994, Escobar was shot outside "El Indio" bar, located in a Medellín suburb. According to Escobar's girlfriend, the killer shouted "¡Gooooooooooooool!" (mimicking South American sporting commentators for their calls after a goal is scored) for each of the 12 bullets fired.

Posted by: Eric Jablow || 03/21/2007 7:49 Comments || Top||

#4  Eric-

Don't forget that El Salvador and Honduras actually went to war in '69 over a soccer game (though the game's result was really just the spark to some other causes). And for all the futility of going to war over a soccer match, they did it with style: Honduras' F4U Corsairs versus El Salvador's P-51 Mustangs, with C-47's on both sides being used as bombers.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 03/21/2007 9:46 Comments || Top||

#5  Eraly reports said they found him in the bathroom with his mouth open and blood everywhere.
Posted by: Seafarious || 03/21/2007 9:50 Comments || Top||

#6  First Anna Nicole, then Bob. Those Caribbean/near Caribbean islands just aren't good for your health.
Posted by: Glenmore || 03/21/2007 10:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Don't forget Natalee!
Posted by: Mac || 03/21/2007 11:11 Comments || Top||

#8  I'm surprised when somebody goes to Jamaica and doesn't get murdered.
The most beautiful creepy place on the planet...
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/21/2007 11:38 Comments || Top||

#9  looks like they would kill the players instaed of the coach
Posted by: sinse || 03/21/2007 17:20 Comments || Top||


A man who wouldn't take 'no' for an answer...
A MAN who ripped out his wife's eyes in a fit of rage was sentenced by a French court to 30 years behind bars today.
That means 15, minus time served, extra time off for the holidays, hmmm, ... carry the nine, times six, fold in an egg and whip ... eight years max?
Mohamed Hadfi, 31, tore out his 23-year-old wife Samira Bari's eyes following a heated argument in their apartment in the southern French city of Nimes in July 2003 after she refused to have sex with him. Ms Bari, who had demanded a divorce before the attack, was permanently blinded.

Hadfi, a Moroccan, initially fled to Germany. He was finally arrested and sent back to France, where he was indicted for "acts of torture and barbarity leading to a permanent disability". Prosecutor Dominique Tourette demanded that Hadfi be sentenced to 30 years in prison, two thirds of which must be served in full, calling the defendant a "diabolic torturer". Once his sentence is served, Hadfi will be deported and barred from ever returning to France.

His lawyer Jean-Pierre Cabanes meanwhile insisted there were extenuating circumstances.
I'm not too sure what kind of extenuating circumstances there are for ripping out somebody's eyes.
"This is the result of a marriage that was arranged, not chosen," he said, pointing to the gulf separating his client, who came from southern Morocco, and his more civilized young wife, who had grown up in France. Mr Cabanes begged the jury for leniency, claiming his client's action "appeared to stem from a mental illness."
Yeah, let him go. He's probably just possessed by djinns or efreets or something.
Posted by: Seafarious || 03/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'm not too sure what kind of extenuating circumstances there are for ripping out somebody's eyes.

My guess is some sort of extroverted Oedipus complex. Maybe she looked like his Mum.
Posted by: Zenster || 03/21/2007 1:59 Comments || Top||

#2  Can we not have any examples of say Buddhist/ Amish etc. brutal acts of rage, lack of self-control and fear of women.

There's must be loads out there...
Posted by: Bright Pebbles in Blairistan || 03/21/2007 6:58 Comments || Top||

#3  Mr Cabanes begged the jury for leniency, claiming his client's action "appeared to stem from a mental illness

And what mental illness might that be, boys and girls? Begins with an 'I' ands in an 'M'....
Posted by: DanNY || 03/21/2007 7:34 Comments || Top||

#4  A PINT BEFORE IT STARTS

A man came home from work, sat down in his favorite chair, turned on the tely, and said to his wife, "Quick bring me a beer before it starts." She looked a little puzzled, but brought him a pint. When he finished it, he said, "Quick, bring me another pint. It's gonna start"

This time she looked a little angry, but brought him another pint. When it was gone, he said, "Quick, get me another pint before it starts." "Thats it!" She blows her top. "You bastard! You waltz in here, flop your fat arss down, don't even say bloody hello to me and then expect me to run around like your slave fetching you pint after pint. Don't you realize I cook, and clean, and wash, and iron all day long??"

The husband sighed and said, "Oh bugger, it's started."
Posted by: Besoeker || 03/21/2007 8:51 Comments || Top||

#5  "This is the result of a marriage that was arranged, not chosen," he said, pointing to the gulf separating his client, who came from southern Morocco…”

Ahhh yesss…the ole “Cultural Time bomb” defense.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 03/21/2007 9:51 Comments || Top||

#6  Translation: She was forced to marry him, didn't want to but, since it is the Religion of Peace, had to or dishonor the family and we all know where that leads. The only way to fight back was deny sex. The "Groom", having been taught all his life that was what marriage and women were for and being all hormoned up, didn't want to be a martyr so he took it out on his wife. No raisins for him. Now he'll never have any nooky. Watch out for those lonely inmates, Dood!
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 03/21/2007 11:41 Comments || Top||

#7  For some reason, everyone is missing it:

"Mohamed Hadfi, 31, tore out his 23-year-old wife Samira Bari's eyes . . . AFTER SHE REFUSED TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM."

I again refer readers to the "virgins on the car hood" post.

These disgusting pieces of criminality (read Moslem male) need to be eliminated from the world. And note, it's a WESTERN country (and a weak one at that) which is taking action. If it had happened in a MOSLEM country, nothing would happen, and Samira would most likely become a target of rape and other hideous crimes because of her blindness.

Just IMAGINE what it would actually take, psychologically, emotionally, and physically, to RIP a young woman's eyes out, and you'll have a real good idea of what these guys are all about.
They're a bunch of immoral, sex-crazed, brain-dead, arrogant, selfish little bastards, capable of NOTHING worthwhile, and underserving of life. And all the guy gets is 20 years in prison? Big deal.
Posted by: ex-lib || 03/21/2007 14:08 Comments || Top||

#8  Tell him he can get out when she grows a new set of eyes...
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/21/2007 14:39 Comments || Top||

#9  A Challenge.

Complete this sentence: "Muslims make this world a better place by... "
Posted by: Parabellum || 03/21/2007 14:43 Comments || Top||

#10  Islam: It's all fun and games until somebody...
Posted by: Excalibur || 03/21/2007 14:53 Comments || Top||

#11  Muslims make the world a better place by dying in huge numbers, preferably by jumping into volcanos.
Posted by: wxjames || 03/21/2007 16:07 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Hello, my name is Kelley George
Spent some time in my home state Arkansas a week or so ago, and lot of talk about this young lady!

My name is Kelly George. I am a 2nd Lt. in the United States Air Force, stationed at Little Rock Air Force Base. I work as the Deputy Chief of Public Affairs.

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Right now I'm preparing to represent the Natural State
that's Arkansas's nickname
at Miss USA 2007. This year the pageant will be March 23rd at the Kodak theatre in LA. Make sure to watch on NBC!
Posted by: Sherry || 03/21/2007 15:01 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...Go Air Force. :)

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 03/21/2007 15:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Right now I'm preparing to represent the Natural State

Dang, I thought she was going to represent HER natural state.
Posted by: xbalanke || 03/21/2007 15:58 Comments || Top||

#3  I work as the Deputy Chief of Public Affairs.

Hehehehehehehehehe...Hey, Beavis. Let's join the Air Force.
Posted by: Butthead || 03/21/2007 16:00 Comments || Top||

#4  Let me guess...
Idiots from Georgia Tech will start sending her death threats and the University will refuse to aid the FBI and AirForce in tracking the trash down.

Posted by: 3dc || 03/21/2007 16:43 Comments || Top||

#5  Talk about putting your best face forward...
Posted by: Mac || 03/21/2007 17:49 Comments || Top||

#6  It's the forward orientation of some other things that has me happy to see her...
Posted by: Jonathan || 03/21/2007 19:40 Comments || Top||

#7  Arkansas?

What a tease...
Posted by: Danking70 || 03/21/2007 20:40 Comments || Top||

#8  Her name should be Kelly Gorgeous.
Posted by: twobyfour || 03/21/2007 20:55 Comments || Top||

#9  proof positive that Hillary was a transplant
Posted by: Frank G || 03/21/2007 21:30 Comments || Top||


Woman Allergic To Microwaves And Mobiles
For most people talking on a mobile phone, cooking dinner in the microwave or driving in a car is simply part of modern living in 21st century Britain. But completing any such tasks is impossible for Debbie Bird - because she is allergic to modern technology.

The 39-year-old is so sensitive to the electromagnetic field (emf) or 'smog' created by computers, mobile phones, microwave ovens and even some cars, that she develops a painful skin rash and her eyelids swell to three times their size if she goes near them.

As a consequence, Mrs Bird, a health spa manager, has transformed her home into an EMF-free zone to try and stay healthy. The walls are all covered in special carbon paint, the windows have a protective film on them and she and her husband, Tony, 45, even sleep under a silver-plated mosquito net to deflect the radiowaves.
More at link. I'm not making this up. Really.
Posted by: Dave D. || 03/21/2007 13:15 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That is SO weird, cuz' I feel much better NOT talking on the cell or using the computer . . . glad her symptoms cleared up after the interventions.
Posted by: ex-lib || 03/21/2007 13:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Woman Allergic To Microwaves And Mobiles Reality

There, fixed that. All I'm waiting for is this woman being quoted as saying:

"I'm sick and tired of being a psychosomatic!"
Posted by: Zenster || 03/21/2007 14:08 Comments || Top||

#3  EMFs are already a documented problem for pregnant women, Zenster, so it's not at all outrageous that certain individuals (and she's not the only one -- read article) have developed a sensitivity to them. DUH.

Guess you didn't "fix it" after all.
Posted by: ex-lib || 03/21/2007 14:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Quick, can we get some of her blood, have it analyzed and the particular genomes ( or whatever they are) replicated? we can make millions and produce safer roads: just think, vaccinations for all the BMW and Volvo driving soccer moms and yuppie-ettes chattering away on their cell phones instead of paying attention to their driving!
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 03/21/2007 14:21 Comments || Top||

#5  ...just think, vaccinations for all the BMW and Volvo driving soccer moms and yuppie-ettes chattering away on their cell phones...

Yeah, and maybe we could find a way to infect the entire Muslimosphere™ and make them allergic to modern technology. Should would put a crimp in their plans to Take-Over-the-World™!
Posted by: Chiper Threreger8956 || 03/21/2007 14:44 Comments || Top||

#6  This all sounds much more effective than the tin-foil hat I wear to work.
Posted by: Excalibur || 03/21/2007 14:50 Comments || Top||

#7  Making the Muslimosphere™ allergic to modern technologies -- ha! LOL. And not a bad idea, that! : )
Posted by: ex-lib || 03/21/2007 14:52 Comments || Top||

#8  Artn a tricky individual thing, but allergic to mobiles? Damn, wait'll you get aload of my stabilez.
Posted by: Sandy Calder (ded) || 03/21/2007 14:58 Comments || Top||

#9  Doctors say there is little scientific evidence to back up a link between EMF and poor health. They claim the symptoms, often attributed to flu or viruses, are psychosomatic.

But campaigners disagree. They reckon around 500 people are already being treated for ES and as many as five per cent of the population could be affected.


I'm still obliged to call "horseradish" on this. Cell phones have been in use for so long and by so many millions of people that if "as many as five per cent of the population could be affected", the symptoms exhibited by Ms. Bird would be far more common than they are at present.

Having worked around strong (5 kilowatt) RF (Radio Frequency) sources and powerful (hundreds of Gauss) magnetic fields for decades, I've never seen myself or anyone else display these sort of symptoms. This despite the fact that the EMF fields I'm referring to far exceed that of a puny cell phone or household microwave. Were EMF "allergy" an actual ailment, there would be hundreds, if not thousands, of Silicon Valley workers filing lawsuits in droves.

Most peculiar of all is Ms. Birds swollen eyelids and skin rash. RF fields tend to affect regions of very small blood vessels, known as capillaries. RF fields much more readily affect a person’s eyeballs (not eyelids), brain and internal organs. While they do not mention exactly where Ms. Bird’s skin rash occurs, it could just as easily be a result of exposure to or contact with outgassing chemicals or phthalates used during processing of the plastic used in her cell phone’s body. For that matter, there are innumerable other household chemicals, VOCs (Volatile Organic Compounds) and airborne contaminants that are far more likely culprits. Anti-static dryer sheets, deodorants, cleaning compounds, aerosol room fresheners and a host of other everyday products all pose much more likely allergens or health hazards to Ms. Bird.

As I mentioned, far too many people use these devices with little or no side effects. While I always take precautions to minimize my own exposure to EMF as a simple health precaution, this case has far too many anomalies for me to accept such a notion as EMF “allergy”.
Posted by: Zenster || 03/21/2007 15:54 Comments || Top||

#10  "The house was completely re-wired, had clear protective film put on the windows and every wall was painted with black carbon paint, which cost £250 per tin, to deflect the harmful rays."

I think I've just figured out a way to get filthy rich making money off hypochondriacs...

Posted by: Dave D. || 03/21/2007 16:08 Comments || Top||

#11  I also call BS on this. There is no way that I know of that black carbon paint or using "special films" on wiring is going to cut EM radiation from electrical currents (actually, it'd be a magnetic field, barely detectable within a few inches, that would be generated by an electrical wire - remember your right-hand rule from physics class).

Total hypochondria and psychosomatisis - a lot like someone I knew from a class a long time ago who would pass out and go into fake convulsions if she even wiffed a scent of aftershave.

Of course, she'd be perfectly fine within a few minutes after a buttload of attention had been paid to her and she never reacted if the same person wearing the same aftershave stood out of her field of vision within 3 ft of her position (we did surreptitious tests).



Posted by: FOTSGreg || 03/21/2007 16:35 Comments || Top||

#12  "There is no way that I know of that black carbon paint... is going to cut EM radiation"

Yup. I don't care how "special" this "carbon paint" is, it isn't going to do a damn thing to shield against EMFs in any frequency band.

And as for that "clear protective film" they've put over their windows, I don't see where it's blocking out very much light-- and if it lets most of the light through it's not going to be doing much to block EMFs, either.

"Of course, she'd be perfectly fine within a few minutes after a buttload of attention had been paid to her..."

Same here, I'd expect.

Posted by: Dave D. || 03/21/2007 17:03 Comments || Top||

#13  I had a prof in college who had lost an eye to standing in the wrong place in respect to an antenna. No, not by getting poked, but by getting hard-boiled.

This woman's definitely psychosomatic; if 1 in 20 in the population are this sensitive to EMF, then it would be really damned obvious by now. Hell, the new offices at work have wireless repeaters every 50' or so; with a couple hundred people around, you'd expect a dozen or so people to have problems, right?
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 03/21/2007 17:31 Comments || Top||

#14  The black paint is doped with conductive carbon particles. The window films are also conductive, like the semi-clear plastic pouches that static sensitive solid state electronic components are packaged in.

I was performing ESD tests on integrated circuits back in the early 1980s when the deleterious effects of EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse) and ESD posed a huge reliability challenge to IC fabrication lines. All of the conductive products mentioned in the article are designed to thwart electro-static discharge, otherwise known in the IC fab business as ESD. It has zero to do with RF emissions or EMF fields.

At the same fab facility we had a very special room. The walls, floor and ceiling were all formed out of panels of solid copper. Each seam was soldered and the doorway had a flexible metal braid gasket around its entire circumference. All of the surfaces were connected by copper wire and copper braid to a large diameter copper rod driven several feet into the ground.

This room is known as a Faraday cage. It is the only known way of stopping all intrusion of RF and EMF fields into a given space. The photo of Ms. Bird's house bears no resemblance to a true Faraday cage and is almost guaranteed to be completely ineffective against intercepting RF or EMF signals of any sort.

What her house will partially protect her from is someone shuffling their feet on the carpet or doffing a sweater too quickly. And that's about all.

I also got my above quote wrong. It should be:

"I'm sick and tired of being a hypochondriac."
Posted by: Zenster || 03/21/2007 18:39 Comments || Top||

#15  Faraday cage link, here:

http://news.thomasnet.com/images/large/459/459490.jpg
Posted by: Zenster || 03/21/2007 18:47 Comments || Top||

#16  "...if 1 in 20 in the population are this sensitive to EMF, then it would be really damned obvious by now."

And even more obvious over here in the States. IIUC, EU regulations limit the maximum radiated power of things like wireless routers to around 60 milliwatts, whereas here, it's more like 250 mw. So if this "ES" of hers was real, and not just mental*, Americans would be complaining about it in droves.

* We'll call it PMS-- Psychomagnetic Syndrome...

Posted by: Dave D. || 03/21/2007 18:51 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Procter & Gamble wins $19 million lawsuit over Satanism rumors
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 03/21/2007 06:20 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That rumour was already causing problems when Mr. Wife was hired upon graduation in 1981. His mother, a very religious lady, was extremely upset by what she heard at church in Buffalo, NY about the goings on in Cincinnati. This wasn't just a single rumour circulated within the Amway corporate phone system, then immediately countered. Amway salesmen made this an unofficial but effective part of their sales presentation, and spread it widely through their social circles. Then it made its way to church circulars, mass faxes and later mass emails. I was asked about it in Prague, whence Amway ventured after the Berlin Wall fell.

P&G had to put in extra telephone lines and hire staff to handle the hundreds of thousands of consumer calls, they lost sales, and this has been a stain on the reputation of a company exceedingly concerned with maintaining a reputation for probity.

The urban legends section of About.com has four entries relating just to this rumour, Snopes has one, as do several Christian websites. Even the Catholic Church felt compelled to weigh in. Several talk shows that rumour claims this revelation was made on have had to actually post a refutation on their websites, they've had so many indignant contacts over the years.

The article's slant and the position of the Amway representative quoted therein are exceedingly disingenuous.
Posted by: trailing wife || 03/21/2007 8:03 Comments || Top||

#2  Q: Who interrupts the 24 hour accordion concert in hell?

A: Jehovah Witness Amway Salesladies.
Posted by: Clyde Threaling1504 || 03/21/2007 9:26 Comments || Top||

#3  Lemme work on that....

The Jehovah Witness Amway Saleslady Team On Meth.
Posted by: Sandy Calder (ded) || 03/21/2007 15:01 Comments || Top||

#4  "Despite the public apology, P&G has spent 12 years destroying their lives," Makled said. "P&G is a $68 billion company. What they got out of this case was what they could earn in about 2.5 hours. We think that's shameful."

It think it's shameful that a company has to abandon their historical logo solely because of some unethical greedy bastids who richly deserved to have their lives tied in legal knots by a company that rightfully could afford to. Amway is two hairs shy of a Ponzi scheme and this ruling is a needed blow to their reputation. If a headcount was taken today, I wonder how few many would actually belong to an Amway millionaire's club? (Earned solely through Amway activity.)
Posted by: Zenster || 03/21/2007 23:30 Comments || Top||


Landslide kills 10 quake survivors
File under "They could become Lutherans and avoided all this, but nooooooo!"
MUZAFFARABAD: Ten survivors of the devastating 2005 earthquake in Azad Kashmir were killed on Tuesday when a landslide triggered by torrential rain buried their house, police said. The accident occurred at Jabar Daray village, some 12 kilometres north of mountainous Bagh district which was devastated by the massive earthquake in October 2005, they said. Ten people were killed and two others were pulled out of the debris alive, a local police official said. Most of the victims were relatives and rescue teams were searching the rubble to ensure there were no other people in it, he said.
Posted by: Fred || 03/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Africa North
Egyptians debate constitutional position of Islam
Posted by: ryuge || 03/21/2007 07:33 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:


Arabia
Inmate renounces Islam after 'inhumane' prison treatment in Yemen
An Iraqi prisoner, convicted of forgery, announced this week that he has renounced Islam and converted to Christianity because of alleged bad treatment in a Yemeni prison.

"I have apostatised from Islam and converted to Christianity because of the injustice and oppression I faced in an Islamic and Arab state that applies Islamic Sharia," said the Iraqi prisoner, Mohammad Rakhis Al Fadhli, in a letter he sent to local media from his prison in Sanaa. "Because of the bad treatment, I became partially paralysed on my right side, and I have not received any medicines, I was dealt with as if I were only a laboratory animal," he wrote.

Saeed Al Aqel, the prosecutor of the court where Al Fadhli was tried, said Al Fadhli, was arrested over forgery charges. He confirmed Al Fadhli was imprisoned according to two court verdicts. The first, he said, was from the primary court ruling in May 2006 according to which he was sentenced to four years in prison. And the second was from the appeal court this month, where he received six years in prison instead of four.

Prosecutor Al Aqel said Al Fadhli had tried several times to apostatise from Islam during the appeal court sessions "in an attempt to escape the punishment over the crime of forgery."

Regarding Al Fadhli's allegations that he was prevented from receiving medical care, the prosecutor said: "The primary court obliged the prosecution to treat the prisoner Al Fadhli and he was transferred to the Central Prison's hospital for first aid, and then to the military hospital in Sanaa where he received medicines. We have kept the hospital's bills with dates on them that prove he was receiving medication in the hospital."

The Yemeni constitution issues the death penalty for the renunciation of Islam.
So he tried to escape punishment for forgery by committing a capital crime?
Posted by: ryuge || 03/21/2007 07:47 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This way he won't have to worry about a long prison term. Bend your neck, CHOP, and it's over.
Posted by: Jackal || 03/21/2007 8:11 Comments || Top||


Europe
So, what has Europe ever done for us? Apart from...
Posted by: anonymous2u || 03/21/2007 13:57 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  With a list like that................

...............who needs enemies?
Posted by: no mo uro || 03/21/2007 16:34 Comments || Top||

#2  Where to begin...taking one at random,

19. The EU gives twice as much aid to developing countries as the US

The European Union and its member states paid out more than €43bn in 2005 in public aid to developing countries. This is the equivalent of 0.34 per cent of GNP of the 25 member states, and is higher than the per capita aid levels of the United States at around 0.2 per cent. More than €7bn is channelled through the EU.


Note the words "per capita". These are weasel words aimed at making a population feel guilty because they are not taxed heavily enough so their money can be given to some third world dictator with Swiss bank accounts.

See http://qesdb.usaid.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

The US gives more actual money, in dollars, than any other country on the face of the earth in any way you care to assess it IMO.

What we give in blood and treasure is unassailable except to those who think we ought to turn our entire budget over to the UN and "just lie back and enjoy it".


Posted by: FOTSGreg || 03/21/2007 17:16 Comments || Top||

#3  It's worse than that.

Notice that the giving mentioned in the article is PUBLIC SECTOR.

When you total the amount for both public AND private sectors, the U.S. gives way more.

As you said, weasels.
Posted by: no mo uro || 03/21/2007 17:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Scott Burgess had some thoughts.
Posted by: Seafarious || 03/21/2007 17:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Another way to look at is that aid may not be helping the undeveloped world but instead creating rich dictators and welfare dependents. Neither side really gets much glory in that way of looking at it.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 03/21/2007 17:59 Comments || Top||

#6  "Europe's bananas, like her Brussels bureaucrats, remain bent despite sceptics' fears."

They were through the bottom of the barrel and still digging for this article. What a sad joke!
Posted by: Mac || 03/21/2007 18:05 Comments || Top||

#7  Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "get bent".


Seriously, though, having read this list of why the EU is so great, I'm thinking the excitement threshold over there is set at its lowest bar.
Posted by: no mo uro || 03/21/2007 20:39 Comments || Top||

#8  A place to soak up American youth and blood. Franklin lied*, Americans died.

*"I hope the United States will keep out of this war. I believe that it will. And I give you assurance(s) and reassurance that every effort of your Government will be directed toward that end."
Fireside, September 3, 1939
Posted by: Procopius2k || 03/21/2007 21:25 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Blanco Bows Out of LA Governor's Race
Governor Kathleen Blanco (D-LA) has officially announced she will not seek re-election in the upcoming governor's race. She issued a letter to her staff Tuesday afternoon, stating: "Today, I am announcing that, after much thought and prayer, I have decided not to seek re-election as your governor."

The news of Blanco's decision comes as no surprise to anyone who can read a poll. Governor Blanco struggled to keep her political life alive for months following hurricanes Katrina and Rita. The storms are blamed for not only destroying much of south Louisiana but Blanco's political career. But she kept up the face of a governor determined to stay the course, saying nearly 18 months ago, and again just last week, she would be on the ballot next October.
Posted by: Steve White || 03/21/2007 00:30 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Consequences.
Posted by: trailing wife || 03/21/2007 8:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Louisiana finally catches a break. Now let's see if they're smart enough to use it. Given their past performance, I'm doubtful.
Posted by: Mac || 03/21/2007 8:09 Comments || Top||

#3  Two words......Ray. Nagin.

Posted by: AlanC || 03/21/2007 8:46 Comments || Top||

#4  “The storms are blamed for not only destroying much of south Louisiana but Blanco's political career.”

I recognize this might seem as sour grapes but the majority of news accounts about the La. Governor, as well as the Mayor of NO, are usually framed as if the storm itself was the cause of all their political challenges – not their preparation and performance (Or lack there of). Contrast those with the critiques of the President’s performance and you would think he should have been personally handing out sandwiches at the Super Dome.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 03/21/2007 8:47 Comments || Top||

#5  A team of scientists and engineers just issued a report saying it was all the Corps of Engineers fault. And they make a pretty reasonable case for it.
The demand is now for the federal government to 'make everyone whole' that was affected by Katrina. If that even starts to happen, I hope the rest of America will petition their Congresscritters to cease all federal funding of anything in south Louisiana (and I live here). If we, the taxpayers, are to be held responsible for levee failure, then the clear solution is to not build levees (and remove those already built). We, the taxpayers, may have to make you, the flood victims, whole ONCE, but by golly, not twice. Take your money and go someplace else.
Posted by: Glenmore || 03/21/2007 19:25 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
IAF MiG-23s make their last sorties
Squadrons may be reactivated with F-16s
Four Mig-23 MFs belonging to 224 Squadron of IAF, nicknamed 'Warlords', took to the skies here for the last time on Tuesday while a fifth one was towed with her ground equipment in tow along the tarmac, signalling the end of an era of the swing-wing fighter's association with IAF.

Inducted in the '80s to counter the threat of F-16s in the western borders, the fighter aircraft now joins the ranks with other venerable warplanes that are already part of aviation folklore of the IAF.

The historic flights took place in the presence of Air Chief Marshal SP Tyagi, Chief of the Air Staff, Air Marshal PK Mehra, AOC-in-C, South Western Air Command (SWAC), Air Vice Marshal (Retd) W Raymond, Commodore Commandant of the Squadron, Air Commodore Devinder Singh, AOC, Jamnagar and the Commanding Officer of the squadron and Wing Commander K Khajuria.

At an emotional farewell flight of the last of the Rakshaks (Indian nomenclature), a Mig-23 MF first took off with the target banner trailing that was followed by three other fighter aircraft trailing rings of blue flame in their jet wake, a thunderous reminder of their enormous power. With 'end of an era' emblazoned in the banner that is normally used for air-to-air gun firing practice, the banner tow aircraft made two passes jettisoning the banner in her final run.

The remaining three aircraft came in tow in a vic formation and peeled-off in front of the cheering onlookers before executing individual last landings. Wing Commander MK Singh, Flight Commander of the 'Warlords', then taxied in at the tarmac and switched-off his aircraft in front of the audience.

In a symbolic drill, the pilot, together with the ground crew, marched up to the Air Chief and handed over the Form-700 (the log book of the aircraft) and the Pilots Notes (flying manual) signifying the end of the era of this veritable warplane.

No 224 Squadron is the last of the only two fighter squadrons ever raised that operated this variant in the IAF. Earlier No 223 Squadron, that also operated the same variant, switched over to Mig-29 in May 1989. With the last flights undertaken on Tuesday, the Warlord squadron is set to be number-plated on March 31. The squadron will now get reactivated on a later date when it is re-equipped with a new type of aircraft and assigned a new operational role.
Posted by: John Frum || 03/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Four Mig-23 MFs belonging to 224 Squadron of IAF, nicknamed 'Warlords', took to the skies here for the last time on Tuesday

I guess four of their pilots were still tired of living.
Posted by: Zenster || 03/21/2007 0:56 Comments || Top||

#2  STRATEGYPAGE > INDIA is happy as larks wid their MIG-29's, want work wid RUSSIA to lengthen lives of MIG-29 airframes and systems. See also THE COMMIE THREAT IN THE JUNGLE - you know, Radical Islam.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 03/21/2007 2:28 Comments || Top||

#3  When I saw the headline, I thought "hold on, the Israeli Air Force doesn't fly MIGs".

Soon we will have the Iraqi Air Force. Forget about Global Warming, we are all doomed by the TLA crisis.
Posted by: phil_b || 03/21/2007 3:03 Comments || Top||

#4  Yeah, IsAF, InAF, IrAF would be a little more intelligible...
Posted by: DanNY || 03/21/2007 7:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Dan, except that there would still be the confusion between the Iraqi and Iranian Air Farces.
Posted by: Rambler || 03/21/2007 8:40 Comments || Top||

#6  "hold on, the Israeli Air Force doesn't fly MIGs".

heh heh heh.
Posted by: Clyde Threaling1504 || 03/21/2007 9:29 Comments || Top||

#7  Yes they do. In 1965 they managed to have an Arab pilot escape to Israel with his Mig21. This allowed the Israelis to know all the strong and weak points in her handling as well as where to aim to have her catch fire.

I doubt they haven't managed to get their hands on Mig29s and later, when Poland or East Germany became part of the NATO.


Posted by: JFM || 03/21/2007 9:47 Comments || Top||

#8  Took me til the 4th paragraph before the article told me who the IAF was. Isreali? Iraqi? Indonesian?
Posted by: gromky || 03/21/2007 14:43 Comments || Top||

#9  The Israelis have flown Indian Migs (and Indian pilots have flown their F-16s).
These exercises are of course hush-hush but they provide each nation with valuable training on the aircraft their opponents are using.
Posted by: John Frum || 03/21/2007 15:25 Comments || Top||

#10  Phil, we'll just have to go with ETLAs.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 03/21/2007 22:22 Comments || Top||


20 students 'rescued' from seminary
MUZAFFARGARH: Kotadu Police freed 20 children from a religious seminary where some of them were being kept in fetters in Hala village on Monday and arrested the person in charge of the seminary on charges of sexually abusing the children. “We raided a madrassa and found 20 children there, 10 of whom were in fetters, and have registered a case of sexual harassment against the teacher, Qari Ghulam Rasul, on the complaint of two of the children,” Muzaffargarh District Police Officer Rai Tahir told reporters.

He said that five-year-old Ziaur Rehman and six-year-old Ishaq had told police that Ghulam Rasul had subjected them to sexual abuse, adding that another student, Irfan (15), had said that he had earlier tried to run away from the seminary after coming to know that Ghulam Rasul abused children but was recaptured and forced to live there. However, students Muhammad Idrees (16) and Muhammad Bilal (17) denied the charges of sexual abuse against Ghulam Rasul and said that Irfan was an “absconding” student.
Posted by: Fred || 03/21/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under:

#1  20 students 'rescued' from inseminary

There, fixed that.
Posted by: Zenster || 03/21/2007 2:04 Comments || Top||

#2  More sex going on in those things than the catholic church ever had.
Posted by: newc || 03/21/2007 9:06 Comments || Top||

#3  "10 of whome were in fetters"

It seems to me that the lessons of islam were being taught correctly, so what was the problem?
Posted by: flash91 || 03/21/2007 10:49 Comments || Top||

#4  In case anyone was wonder what a fetter is.
Fetters

Reading this story was like a trip into the dark ages. I wonder if dark age justice will be far behind for the Teacher. At least the authorities had the sense to remove these kids. Or act on a kids accusations.

Maybe in this part of the world, there is still a sense of sensibiility.
Posted by: Delphi2005 || 03/21/2007 14:17 Comments || Top||

#5  I wonder if dark age justice will be far behind for the Teacher.

Or, better yet, close behind.
Posted by: Zenster || 03/21/2007 20:20 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Cultural Battlefield in Massachusetts 1st grade
A federal court dismissed parents' complaints about a school district that was reading - to first-graders - a story about two princes who fall in love and marry each other. The parents wanted at least to be told when the kids were going to be read fairy tales about how normal gay marriage is.

No dice, said Judge Mark L. Wolf: Public schools are "entitled to teach anything that is reasonably related to the goals of preparing students to become engaged and productive citizens," he ruled. In Massachusetts, that includes learning to discard your parents' moral views. The state, having decided gay marriage is dandy, will indoctrinate its children in this from first grade on. The biological parents can buzz off.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 03/21/2007 06:43 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Villahe will raise your children as it sees fit whether you like it or not. Public schools need to be returned to the control of the people and taken away from the Union. And Judges.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 03/21/2007 7:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Why ANYBODY lives in the moral wasteland of Massachusetts amazes me. I'd tell the principal of that school that my kid was coming home, would never be back, and that he/she was a perverted bastard who deserved horsewhipping.

It's time for people to flat refuse to pay school taxes. This garbage has got to stop.
Posted by: Mac || 03/21/2007 8:12 Comments || Top||

#3  It is time for those schools to stop getting students and funds. Let them dry and wither on the vine.

(I would prefer digging up the vine and burning it, but I don't think most people would goferit.)
Posted by: DarthVader || 03/21/2007 8:18 Comments || Top||

#4  After all they are “Fairy Tales”.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 03/21/2007 8:56 Comments || Top||

#5  Why ANYBODY lives in the moral wasteland of Massachusetts amazes me.

Actually, most people here in the Peoples Republic are just fine with the way things are - in fact, they're proud of it.

Me? I'm essentially stuck in a highly specialized job that would result in a huge loss of income if I moved away.
Posted by: xbalanke || 03/21/2007 13:11 Comments || Top||

#6  My condolences, xb. But at least you can enjoy the money.

To tinker with children's psychosexual development is just plain wrong.
Posted by: ex-lib || 03/21/2007 13:58 Comments || Top||

#7  That's why God invented private schools.
Posted by: Bobby || 03/21/2007 18:07 Comments || Top||



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