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2006-01-18 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

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Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-01-18 09:02|| || Front Page|| [11133 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 We're not overwhelmed in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's a different game, as Bush and everyone else in the Administration has repeatedly said.

Posted by Perfesser 2006-01-18 09:54|| 2006-01-18 09:54|| Front Page Top

#2 We're overwhelmed in Iraq and Afghanistan

We are overwhelmed - politically. I can already hear the comparisons to the justifications for invading Iraq and how we got it wrong. With the elections coming up soon, the GOP will not want to go down that path again any time soon.

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2006-01-18 10:38|| 2006-01-18 10:38|| Front Page Top

#3 you can shoot the WMD installations, and you will neutralise the ones you know about.

but it won't solve the problem or win the war.

and they will hide some and you won't find them.

The war can only be won by neutralising radical islam.

This is an ideological war. I would spend billions training imams and pressuring the mullahs to subtly move in the right direction.

reform islam and it's game over.

Posted by anon1 2006-01-18 11:01|| 2006-01-18 11:01|| Front Page Top

#4 anon1: The war is both military and ideological. We can't retrain the imams--not directly. We can and must work harder on the PR end, but we need more Arabic/Farsi/Turkik/etc speakers and a few decades. In the meantime we have a few problems that are likely to require tools that go bang.

Posted by James">James 2006-01-18 11:26|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com] 2006-01-18 11:26|| Front Page Top

#5 Stopping the nukes buys more time to reform Islam. And it might discourage the Iranians form restarting the project if they realize we have 10 years to develop new technology to whack them next time.

I doubt Islam can be "reformed" in less than 120 years, enough time that no one is alive who remembers the glorious days of UBL. Sort of like it took 120 years for the U. S. to get over the Civil War.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-01-18 11:32|| 2006-01-18 11:32|| Front Page Top

#6 anon1

In the case of Iran time is the big factor. If they weren't on the verge getting nukes, the reform route might be valid.

As it is, I think patience is a vice when it comes to Ahmadinejad & co.

Posted by Gloting Snumble2857 2006-01-18 11:32|| 2006-01-18 11:32|| Front Page Top

#7 No way, anon1!

"it won't solve the problem or win the war"
Name the one battle in WWII that solved the problem or won the war.

"they will hide some and you won't find them"
They don't have them yet, and we won't stop watching. You don't build uranium processing plants and thousands of centrifuges in a garage and operate them on batteries.

"The war can only be won by neutralising radical islam."
And WWII was only won by neutralising Nazi politics?

"This is an ideological war."
They're all either ideological or pure greed for power/resources (e.g., Saddam taking Kuwait).

"I would spend billions training imams..."
Iran is not giving us that much time.

"reform islam and it's game over"
Islam is not giving us that much time either. Your strategy may have had some merit a few decades ago, but that was before Islam got its hands on WMDs.

Posted by Darrell 2006-01-18 11:37|| 2006-01-18 11:37|| Front Page Top

#8 "If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."
- John Wayne

Posted by Yosemite Sam 2006-01-18 12:05|| 2006-01-18 12:05|| Front Page Top

#9 OK YS if you want to wheel out Duke quotes, I think this one may be more appropriate to the Mullahs:

Life is hard, being stupid makes it harder.

Posted by JerseyMike 2006-01-18 20:34|| 2006-01-18 20:34|| Front Page Top

#10 #5 NS: "Sort of like it took 120 years for the U. S. to get over the Civil War."

The US got over the ~~Civil War~~ Late Unpleasantness? When did that happen? ;-p

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2006-01-18 22:51|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html] 2006-01-18 22:51|| Front Page Top

#11 #8: "If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."
- John Wayne

Sorry, that was Gen. George S. Patton.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2006-01-18 22:54|| 2006-01-18 22:54|| Front Page Top

#12 "We're going to go through those Hun bastards like crap through a goose"

Gen George S Patton

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