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2010-01-17 Caribbean-Latin America
Doctors flee like little girls due to "security concerns" . Gupta shamed pansies into returning.
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Posted by gorb 2010-01-17 01:30|| || Front Page|| [12 views ]  Top

#1 UN = Useless Nitwits.

Get the US out of the UN. Get the UN out of the US!
Posted by Scooter McGruder 2010-01-17 05:45||   2010-01-17 05:45|| Front Page Top

#2 I wonder if a squad of Marines could have been sent over to the hospital for the night. With orders to sleep if they could and shoot 'cannibals' if they had to.
Posted by Glenmore 2010-01-17 08:00||   2010-01-17 08:00|| Front Page Top

#3 What do you EXPECT from EUroweenies?
Posted by Gutless Frenchie 2010-01-17 08:22||   2010-01-17 08:22|| Front Page Top

#4 The Belgians said that the wine and cheese in Haiti wasn't up to par. This sort of tells us never to look at the Euro (Peeing in their pants) eans for moral direction.
Posted by HammerHead 2010-01-17 08:26||   2010-01-17 08:26|| Front Page Top

#5 The facts may prove me wrong but despite what Lt. Gen. Russel Honore has stated, in such a situation, the security of your own people must be your FIRST concern.
Posted by Besoeker 2010-01-17 08:32||   2010-01-17 08:32|| Front Page Top

#6 True, Besoeker, but to take all the medical supplies with them when they knew sick people, one doctor and at least one local nurse were still there is simply unforgivable and evil.
Posted by Cornsilk Blondie 2010-01-17 08:42||   2010-01-17 08:42|| Front Page Top

#7 Docs and nurses are not very effective without supplies. These situations CANNOT be properly assessed without being there, on the ground.
Posted by Besoeker 2010-01-17 08:54||   2010-01-17 08:54|| Front Page Top

#8 I have to wonder why the "peace keepers" didn't just spend the night there? It's not like they would go out in the scary night and the mere presence would deter anyone from causing trouble. Hats off to Sanjay, he continues to impress even though he works at CNN.
Posted by Cyber Sarge 2010-01-17 09:08||   2010-01-17 09:08|| Front Page Top

#9 True, that. I wasn't there. I don't know all the details. And the "official report" on this won't come out for months.

But they KNEW one nurse was there and wasn't leaving, Besoeker. That's the unforgivable and evil part. They could have left her something. Think about this....They took enough time to clear the joint out before they left. I doubt they could have done that in a minute or two....it would have taken some time to gather it all up and load up trucks. Had they just dropped everything and made a run for the jeeps, yeah....I could see that being a case of "oh crap, they're gonna kill us!" You don't have time to back up the U-haul and load it up if your life is in jeopardy. You leave things behind. So right there, I got some questions about the whole "we wuz in peril!" story.

There were seriously injured people left behind. We're not talking patients with ingrown toenails and other little boo boos.

Their big mistake? Cutting and running while cameras were rolling. Otherwise, you know damn well that no one would ever have known, or come back later to check on them.

Those people were lucky that Dr Gupta was there (and CNN personnel did what they could).
Posted by Cornsilk Blondie 2010-01-17 09:24||   2010-01-17 09:24|| Front Page Top

#10 Even CNN is more use than....
Crap. Just crap.
Posted by Richard Aubrey  2010-01-17 10:01||   2010-01-17 10:01|| Front Page Top

#11 Well I'm sure that the security situation was really bad. I mean, look what happened to Dr. Gupta and the CNN crew they were all............what's that? They weren't?

Oh, never mind. The medical teams that ran away are miserable cowards.
Posted by AlanC 2010-01-17 10:04||   2010-01-17 10:04|| Front Page Top

#12 I understand Besoeker's point about security and about needing to assess the situation. Lord knows that if the docs and nurses had been massacred we would be singing a different tune this morning.

But still --

When I became a doc, I took an oath. I try to live by it. I would hope other docs would do the same.

If the situation wasn't an earthquake but rather plague, anthrax, or Ebola, there would be no excuse for docs leaving. Even if something is contagious, we're expected to hang in there.

This is no different. Forgive me, it is different -- there was less risk here.

The blue-helmets could have been ordered to stay and provide security. They can rough it for a night. So can the docs and nurses.

And if the word was out that the docs and nurses were staying and working their tails off to save people, that would have given the local population hope. The last thing they would have done is attack those who were hanging in there to save them.

No, I'm sorry, this is fecklessness and cowardice.
Posted by Steve White 2010-01-17 11:18||   2010-01-17 11:18|| Front Page Top

#13 Would it be bigoted to add No, I'm sorry, this is fecklessness and cowardice and very Euro-socialist.
Posted by AlanC 2010-01-17 12:19||   2010-01-17 12:19|| Front Page Top

#14 All rancor aside, the doctors knew that any medicines, painkillers(Dope) and desperately needed supplies left would vanish overnight, it makes GOOD SENSE to take them with the Doctors, and bring them back later, at least that way there'd be some, not none.
I think the doctors acted rationally, not the Bastards y'all seem to think they were.
Posted by Redneck Jim 2010-01-17 13:31||   2010-01-17 13:31|| Front Page Top

#15 Bigoted? I'm not sure. Maybe redundant?

Don't forget - this team was Belgian. That should give us pause before we issue judgements. After all, we have little moral ground to stand on, given that their defense minister exposed our military as 'unprofessional' a few years ago.
Posted by lotp 2010-01-17 13:32||   2010-01-17 13:32|| Front Page Top

#16 Let's face it, the only reason the Belgians are there is half the population is under 17 ears of age.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2010-01-17 13:39||   2010-01-17 13:39|| Front Page Top

#17 It's clear from the article that the UN spokesperson is either lying or was misinformed. And while a strong-minded team leader would have said, "Fuck that, we've got patients to tend to," the Canadian team had already walked away earlier for whatever reason, taking their own guards with them. At least the Belgians did come back after the sun rose (what ever happened to the Canadians?), but the only one who comes out looking good is CNN's own Dr. Gupta and his team. I seem to recall that, while in Afghanistan, Dr. Gupta joined the medical team he'd been interviewing, when the patient load suddenly demanded an extra pair of skilled hands. More than a pretty face, that man.
Posted by trailing wife  2010-01-17 14:48||   2010-01-17 14:48|| Front Page Top

#18 I understand Besoeker's point about security and about needing to assess the situation. Lord knows that if the docs and nurses had been massacred we would be singing a different tune this morning.

Had it been anyone else but Dr. Gupta with the CNN crew...
Posted by Pappy 2010-01-17 15:11||   2010-01-17 15:11|| Front Page Top

#19 TW!
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2010-01-17 15:27||   2010-01-17 15:27|| Front Page Top

#20 What Dr. White said.
Posted by lex 2010-01-17 18:17||   2010-01-17 18:17|| Front Page Top

#21 I read an article that Haitians were piling bodies to make roadblocks to protest the late arrival of aid. If that's true I can't imagine what kind of other crazy $hit these doctors have seen and don't think I'll second guess their decisions. Yes it's bad to leave and take the medicine with you, but if they return in two days with the medicine (report said they were back Sat) the the medicine is still available to be used and the Beligans weren't injured or killed so they can also be helpful. The move also may have managed to get some additional Beligan peacekeepers into the picture.

Don't be to quick to judge the eyes on the ground making decisions be they American or Beligan. The media often distorts or fails to report. Having said that, Gupta's a stud. That must have been extra tense being more or less alone after the Canadians and Beligans pulled out.
Posted by rjschwarz 2010-01-17 19:34||   2010-01-17 19:34|| Front Page Top

#22 That must have been extra tense being more or less alone after the Canadians and Beligans pulled out.

Maybe it was a bit of the 'we're CNN - we're The Media' attitude as well. Luckily it turned out well.
Posted by Pappy 2010-01-17 21:13||   2010-01-17 21:13|| Front Page Top

#23 Piling bodies to make roadblocks doesn't seem to make a lot of sense--that'd be an awful lot of bodies if you wanted to actually block the road. My guess? They were pulling bodies out of the rubble and putting them in the only place where the dead might be noticed and hauled away for burial.
News reports aren't always very accurate, either in the details or interpretation.
Posted by James  2010-01-17 21:16|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com  2010-01-17 21:16|| Front Page Top

#24 TW!

Strong language for strong situations, dear Nimble Spemble. Besides, I was quoting an imaginary strong-minded medical type, and I'm quite sure that's what he/she would have said in that situation. ;-)
Posted by trailing wife  2010-01-17 21:26||   2010-01-17 21:26|| Front Page Top

#25 "Retired Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré said . . . 'They need to man up'"

They're Euroweenies, honey - they don't know how to man up. (They think that's what they've got us for....)
Posted by Barbara Skolaut  2010-01-17 23:08||   2010-01-17 23:08|| Front Page Top

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