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2017-02-18 Science & Technology

At Red Flag ‘It's Tough To Be Legacy Aircraft In An LO World'

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Posted by Blossom Unains5562 2017-02-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top

#1 The end of flight skills as we know them.

Posted by Skidmark 2017-02-18 01:22|| 2017-02-18 01:22|| Front Page Top

#2 I would like to know if Lt. Col. Tyler Lewis was flying a Cessna 172RG or some such? Article doesn't mention what he was flying.

Oh wait, the article mentioned 4th and 5th generation aircrafts. So presumably the 'Flying Turkey' is a 'fifth generation' aircraft, in which case, what are the 'fourth generation' aircrafts? It's a safe bet it's not the F-18 as it's already proven to outperform the F-35. That leave the original F-16 series (later series is superior to earlier versions) or maybe the F-111?

Something smell here as they refuse to identify the other aircrafts.

Oh I know, maybe the F-15 achieved their "kill ratio" of 15 to 1 against L-4s. Against any modern fighter planes (both propeller and jet) The Flying Turkey fared poorly? Perhaps the P51 and the P38 would also fare well against the F-45?

Really from what I've been reading about Red Flag, It's like a scripted wresting match where the outcome is guaranteed in favor of the F-15. Too much information missing or redacted from the various reports that I could find.

Posted by Seeking cure for ignorance 2017-02-18 04:28|| 2017-02-18 04:28|| Front Page Top

#3 Another article had most of the OPFOR flying F-16 Block 32. An older F-16 that simulates the technologies that most countries fly but is fairly obsolete to our F-16s. They also have some older F-15s they fly as well.

Posted by DarthVader 2017-02-18 06:00|| 2017-02-18 06:00|| Front Page Top

#4 Remind me not to post before I've had my coffee!

In the lase paragraph above, it F-35, not F-15

My apologies.

Posted by Seeking cure for ignorance 2017-02-18 09:45|| 2017-02-18 09:45|| Front Page Top

#5 It's good news indeed if our fifth generation fighter can get a 15:1 loss ratio against older, early-4th generation fighters.

Now, if only we can persuade our opponents to fly older, early-4th generation fighters...

Posted by Steve White 2017-02-18 10:33|| 2017-02-18 10:33|| Front Page Top

#6 Really from what I've been reading about Red Flag, It's like a scripted wresting match where the outcome is guaranteed in favor of the F-15. Too much information missing or redacted from the various reports that I could find.

It's been a while since my last RED FLAG trip, but the drill then and now is that breaking the rules to try and guarantee an outcome is a immediate-transfer-to-Thule level no-no. Nothing is scripted that isn't explicitly so in order to prove or disprove a theory.

For instance, I was present in the Observation Area (AKA the God Room) when a flight of F-15s - my unit in fact, the old 71 TFS - got its ass handed to it by the Aggressors, and lost a strike force of RAAF F-111s to boot.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2017-02-18 13:04|| 2017-02-18 13:04|| Front Page Top

#7 I read somewhere that back in the day the US Navy tested artillery readiness and accuracy in exercises in calm sea, presumably with little or no wind.

Does the tradition continue?

Posted by james 2017-02-18 13:38|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com 2017-02-18 13:38|| Front Page Top

#8 I keep wondering what would happen in a battle with all this silicon wonderstuff if somebody sets off an EMP weapon nearby.
I realize it's supposedly hardened; hardening is like bulletproof, the key is how big and how close.

Posted by ed in texas 2017-02-18 14:54|| 2017-02-18 14:54|| Front Page Top

#9 Russia has the best hackers in the world, so what happens to the flying iPhone if we get in a dust up with the Russkies??

A computer that can fly, imagine that...killing bad guys over the horizon. So what happens if one of these Killer Turkeys gets up close and personal with a MIG 31? or some such Sukhoi or other that is also "fifth generation" and happens have an onboard gun if its missiles don't lock and you have a visual?

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2017-02-18 18:39|| 2017-02-18 18:39|| Front Page Top

#10 The abilities they are listing sound optimum for a stealthy penetration light bomber. Comes in sneaky singly, or in pairs, and scoots for home. While the pilot is watching Netflix on those big screens. Air-to-air, not so much, what happens after the first kill "spots" them? CAS? Loitering?

Posted by magpie 2017-02-18 19:04|| 2017-02-18 19:04|| Front Page Top

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