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2020-02-18 Home Front: WoT

War on terror has done nothing but create more terrorists

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Posted by Herb McCoy 2020-02-18 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 I knew it was Herb before I even clicked on it. Too stoopid for words.

Posted by Frank G 2020-02-18 06:53|| 2020-02-18 06:53|| Front Page Top

#2 So, when exactly did we start attacking terrorists before they became terrorists? I'm so confused. It's like a time travel paradox.

Posted by AlmostAnonymous5839 2020-02-18 09:19|| 2020-02-18 09:19|| Front Page Top

#3 That's what usually happens when you try to eat your cake and keep it too.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-02-18 10:39|| 2020-02-18 10:39|| Front Page Top

#4 Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy... Or colloquially: "Correlation is not Causation".

Posted by magpie 2020-02-18 12:28|| 2020-02-18 12:28|| Front Page Top

#5 Similar to terrorist attacks against Democracy. It strengthens the willingness to fight.

Dictatorships are different, you can take them down, but not a culture.

Posted by rjschwarz 2020-02-18 13:51|| 2020-02-18 13:51|| Front Page Top

#6 That's what usually happens when you try to eat your cake and keep it too.

On behalf of Socialism, I'd like to point out that half an imaginary loaf is better than no loaf at all.

Posted by SteveS 2020-02-18 14:15|| 2020-02-18 14:15|| Front Page Top

#7 Too stupid for words? Which part of it was untrue? Please refute the central premise.

19 years later and where did we win? How are we better off? We haven't won a war since Panama.

Posted by Herb McCoy 2020-02-18 15:06|| 2020-02-18 15:06|| Front Page Top

#8 Please refute the central premise.

Brandolini's law

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2020-02-18 15:10|| 2020-02-18 15:10|| Front Page Top

#9 If the ‘war on terror has done nothing but create more terrorists’ the we can all agree a very secure closed border with No illegal immigrants and very few vetted legal immigrants is required for at least 2 generations.

Posted by Airandee 2020-02-18 17:26|| 2020-02-18 17:26|| Front Page Top

#10 The central premise is "Why we should repeal the AUMF as a legal declaration".

The two best arguments, casualties and cost, are only valid if the primary argument, more terrorists, is correct.

Besides the first question, What is a terrorist?, the stats given are spurious at best.

Afghan used to have just one terror org now they have 20! can be argued that the US/Coalition demanded that the locals could not have a strong central leader without getting whooped so they reverted to traditional clan territories of control. Or, we thought it was one homogeneous happy family when really there was a lot more going on. Or, a power vacuum attracted flies. Or, Karzai's extended family should count.

AlQ Iraq and ISIS were two different, competing entities. In fact, AlQ Iraq warned us (McCain) against arming them, "We may be jerks, but those guys are cat in a yarn barn crazy." That's all Obama administration doing; include killing Qadaffy and Libya now.

There is no mention of the rise of groups like Boko Haram or other horn of Africa baddies - would they or would they not be around without US in Iraq/Afghan? Topic not even approached. MILF seems to be getting along on their own.

As fore number of AlQ increasing after 9/11, win the lottery and find out how many people want to be your friend.

So its all imagination land for cost/benefit, which can be countered with "How many more terrorists would there have been without US/Coalition thumping them." Or, "Unrestrained Bin Laden joins with Pakistan to unleash waves of terror against India, prompting nuclear exchange."

So back to the premise, do we do away with the current AUMF and any future versions thereof? Argue the reasons and/or results, a resolution went before Congress and was voted on. Done. When McCain started banging the war drums and attempted to expand the AUMF to include Syria, congress gave the administration the finger, a hardy no (look up France, Britain as well), and that adventure never officially happened which would have been US equipment and air strikes at the very least. So the AUMF works.

Thank you g(r)rom for that term, here at work.

Posted by swksvolFF 2020-02-18 18:43|| 2020-02-18 18:43|| Front Page Top

#11 Shorter Herb: "If you're gonna get raped, might as well lay back and enjoy it. Allahu Akhbar"

Posted by Frank G 2020-02-18 18:50|| 2020-02-18 18:50|| Front Page Top

#12 What Frank said.

Another Herb McCoy Special.

Posted by Dron66046 2020-02-18 18:59|| 2020-02-18 18:59|| Front Page Top

#13 My thought is that we should have bombed the F*** out of AQ and Taliban, enough that they (and others)would think twice about attacking the USA again, then be done with it after less than a year or so. We now have small tactical nukes we could use nowadays.

My objection is to spending all that money over 19 years for what, we coulda have nice things for US citizens instead and perhaps a much smaller national debit.

WWII only lasted six years, if we put in a fraction off the effort into this, this war would have been done and over with years ago.

Come to think of it, where did all that money go anyway?

Posted by Seeking Cure For Ignorance 2020-02-18 19:12|| 2020-02-18 19:12|| Front Page Top

#14 Come to think of it, where did all that money go anyway?

Ask Karzai. Hmmm. For that matter, ask Biden.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2020-02-18 19:26|| 2020-02-18 19:26|| Front Page Top

#15 swksvolFF: good argument. Let's see more of these kinds of comments.

Frank G & Dron66046: ridiculous strawman. F.

Posted by Herb McCoy 2020-02-18 19:51|| 2020-02-18 19:51|| Front Page Top

#16 Quit putting words in my mouth; I was very careful to not make an argument, but to point out that you are off topic and the points made are made on a flawed premise. You know, straw man.

SCfI, I bet a lot of that money went into flying things half way 'round the world. In fact, I'd like to know who said, "Yes sir, I do believe we can sustain a major operation in the middle of Asia completely upon airlift resupply.

That person should not only have been laughed out the room right there, but there should have been a rubber stamp made in his likeness and every cadet who turned in a stupid flawed paper would get this stamp. For each stamp earned that cadet should have to perform a combat dressing drill and carry 200lb bag of sand 1/4 mile because if you are going to be that stupid, and least be able to carry your wounded off of the battlefield 'cause your getting people killed.

Should have built a super highway from Karachi to Kabul. Pull down the very mountains it would pass through to make the road. 8 lane, safety perimeter 1/4 out. Strongpoints at ambush sites, and I mean mines and everything. Then, spokes out from Kabul, connecting to an eventual circuit. Now you have your heavy equipment, you have your big supply by land. Use airlift to concentrate on QRF supplies needed. Sic Paladins on Korengal instead of outpost theory, f'em. Burn the poppies, thump anyone who looks at that road. Goat herders dead? Here's a picture of one of our highly educated top tier merchants jumping from a 100 story oven. Karzai your family supplies road material in abundance ahead of time or your family gets pressed into blocks to be used as counterweights and we get someone who will, and since the Colorado Highway Department doesn't seem to find any work we'll just fly them out here and put them on the road machines and drills hauled up from Karachi.

Then squeeze till it breaks.

Posted by swksvolFF 2020-02-18 21:32|| 2020-02-18 21:32|| Front Page Top

#17 I think it's great that you guys are getting lifestyle coaching to improve your commenting. If we're going to have a brave, new world, we can't have soggy commenting now, can we? Carry on!

Posted by SteveS 2020-02-18 21:43|| 2020-02-18 21:43|| Front Page Top

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