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2025-02-26 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
There is no independent Ukraine
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Posted by badanov 2025-02-26 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11147 views ]  Top

#1 And never was. Kievan Rus wasn't a country but a series of strongholds along the trade path from Scandinavia to Visantium.
Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-02-26 03:24||   2025-02-26 03:24|| Front Page Top

#2 Ukraine is an independent state recognized by all countries in the world including Russia, a member of the United Nations. What it was or wasn't in the early Middle Ages (when Moscow didn't evenm exist) is completely irrelevant. Invading and terrorizing a country because you think it has no right to exist: Where have we seen this before?

We now have the United States voting with North Korea, Belarus, Libya and Sudan. Is that the new company you want to keep.

It feels like stepping into a new version of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" these days. "Fair is foul, and foul is fair", said Shakespeare.
Posted by European Conservative 2025-02-26 06:06||   2025-02-26 06:06|| Front Page Top

#3 ^Yea, sure.
Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-02-26 06:19||   2025-02-26 06:19|| Front Page Top

#4 And what we call Russia today was once a vassal of the Yuan Mongol Empire. In fact the only outside power to conquer and occupied came from the east.

Prussia [East] was never part of historical Russia. Things change.
Posted by Procopius2k 2025-02-26 06:43||   2025-02-26 06:43|| Front Page Top

#5 You could as well question the existence of Kasachstan, for example.
Posted by European Conservative 2025-02-26 06:53||   2025-02-26 06:53|| Front Page Top

#6 Things change
Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-02-26 07:22||   2025-02-26 07:22|| Front Page Top

#7 More 'native' Russians in Israel than Ukraine.

Just sayin....
Posted by Mullah Richard 2025-02-26 07:44||   2025-02-26 07:44|| Front Page Top

#8 The three-page U.N. General Assembly resolution, as presented by Ukraine’s delegation at the international body, called for Russia to “completely and unconditionally withdraw all of its military forces from the territory of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders.”

In all, 93 countries voted in favor of the Ukrainian resolution, while 65 countries abstained. The United States and Russia were among the 18 countries that voted against the resolution.

[T]he U.S. delegation at the United Nations presented a competing one-page resolution that calls for international support for a lasting peace in the conflict without prescribing a specific outcome,

Epoch Times

Not so outrageous, when you see the context and all the votes.
Posted by Bobby 2025-02-26 09:04||   2025-02-26 09:04|| Front Page Top

#9 Ukraine is an independent state recognized by all countries in the world including Russia, a member of the United Nations.

You can recognize it all you want but that doesn't make it so, especially if they need American taxpayer's to stay afloat.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2025-02-26 14:02||   2025-02-26 14:02|| Front Page Top

#10 I don't mind if Ukraine remains independent but I really don't care if they don't. I just happen to believe this stupid, bloody war could have been avoided if people like Victoria Nuland had not meddled in their affairs. I believe that was a sin and I'm not willing to continue paying for it. Sorry, I'm not willing to guarantee the independence of every piss ant country in the world. Ever since WWII Americans have been trying to do that and the experience has proven that it's not always a good idea.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2025-02-26 14:39||   2025-02-26 14:39|| Front Page Top

#11 You can recognize it all you want but that doesn't make it so, especially if they need American taxpayer's to stay afloat.

Yes. There are *lots* of places we can go with this topic. Is Canada "Independent", since it rolls on doing its socialist-dance solely because it backs up to the US, and a military strike on it would be defended by US technology and treated as if it were a strike upon the US? How much of Europe is "Independent"?
Posted by Crusader 2025-02-26 15:20||   2025-02-26 15:20|| Front Page Top

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