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2025-03-01 Home Front: Politix
A dressing down in the Oval Office: What will Zelensky's conflict with Trump lead to?
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Posted by badanov 2025-03-01 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11149 views ]  Top

#1 Zelensky is done.

I can't wait until Eur
Posted by Crusader 2025-03-01 01:48||   2025-03-01 01:48|| Front Page Top

#2 From my previous post:

I can't wait until Europe pretends to blame this al on Trump.
Posted by Crusader 2025-03-01 01:49||   2025-03-01 01:49|| Front Page Top

#3 A simple thug revealed.
Posted by Besoeker 2025-03-01 02:46||   2025-03-01 02:46|| Front Page Top

#4 The problem here is that Zelenski (who run on making peace with Russia) is just a sock puppet for Ukrainian Nazis and their West European masters.
Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-03-01 03:34||   2025-03-01 03:34|| Front Page Top

#5 
Zelensky, clearly misread the room and screwed the pooch and bit the only hand feeding his war.

But then there are some DC bkgrd comments posing the What If idea. That a DC group that wanted this profitable war, for their own pockets, to continue. Expressing threats, that if Zelensky wanted a future Safe Harbor to escape/exile too, that he should follow their directions and give the attitude and performance he did.

Plus, it tossed in an opportunity for the Liberals & Democrats to try and bring Trump down a notch or 2. While using a 3rd party and not themselves directly.

BTW: They failed, Trump in as much said to Zelensky.

Posted by NN2N1 2025-03-01 06:04||   2025-03-01 06:04|| Front Page Top

#6 Seems like an enlightening 'walk away' moment.
Posted by Skidmark 2025-03-01 06:25||   2025-03-01 06:25|| Front Page Top

#7 Z shouldn't have called Vance a "suka" under his breath while on camera in a room full of people who can lip read Russian. Since Trump's wife is Ukrainian he undoubtedly knows all the common curse words too.
Posted by Clem+Elmish4239 2025-03-01 06:59||   2025-03-01 06:59|| Front Page Top

#8 ^^ Melania is Slovenian...
Posted by badanov 2025-03-01 07:14||   2025-03-01 07:14|| Front Page Top

#9 Zelenski ...is just a sock puppet for Ukrainian Nazis and their West European masters.

Z has been a loyal soldier and done what they asked to enable and promote the war. It is understandable that he would be a bit miffed at being cast aside at this late date.

His best move at this point is to stage a false-flag attack and nuke Kiev. Everyone will know the Russians did it because that's just how they are, and it allows Zelensky to fake his own death. Let's see Trump make a peace deal out of that!
Posted by SteveS 2025-03-01 09:11||   2025-03-01 09:11|| Front Page Top

#10 Seems like he was told not to sign the deal by his masters. Maybe Victoria Nuland will have an opinion. Let’s watch MSMBC for some people that should lose their security clearance.
Posted by Super Hose 2025-03-01 09:18||   2025-03-01 09:18|| Front Page Top

#11 For the Rantburg readers, is there a specific date/event that changed your narrative from backing Ukraine/Zelensky to what it is now.
Posted by Penguin_of_the_Best_Desert 2025-03-01 09:57||   2025-03-01 09:57|| Front Page Top

#12 I had some sympathy until Lindsey came out and said that the Ukrainian funding was the best money we ever spent. The kabuki between Rubio and Nuland was another waypoint on my journey to WTF.
Posted by Super Hose 2025-03-01 10:26||   2025-03-01 10:26|| Front Page Top

#13 The KS department of education sent a speaker to our school to pump up support for war, getting an hour of assembly time and (attempting to) bully shame the kids into wearing buttons.

Ultimately though, the election of Elynskyyy itself and the rabid and vigorous shut down of anyone questioning it, including one of the first things Trump 45 did with that infamous phone call.
Posted by swksvolFF 2025-03-01 10:26||   2025-03-01 10:26|| Front Page Top

#14 #11 The Kosovo war.
Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-03-01 10:36||   2025-03-01 10:36|| Front Page Top

#15 Trump is treating Ukraine nearly as badly as Europe is treating Israel. 'Nearly' because he hasn't threatened to arrest Zelensky.

This isn't about Ukraine. Russia wants Europe and Russia wants to put an end to the US as a global power.

If Trump gave all of Ukraine to Russia it would satisfy only a small fraction of Russia's demands.

NATO has been in stable condition for a long time.

This is pretty much the official announcement of its death.

I'm not mourning NATO, an alliance that 'defends the Muslim faith' and betrays Western civilization does more harm than good. Interesting times are ahead and those allies that are only a 'scredriver's turn' away should turn that screwdriver now.
Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2025-03-01 10:46||   2025-03-01 10:46|| Front Page Top

#16 ^^^ Russia wants Europe??? How? With what??? Their non nuclear force is a joke. They’re exhausted. Europe may be weaker than in the past, but they aren’t as weak as Russia right now. The Bear needs the war to end so it can lick it’s wounds and rebuild.
Posted by Remoteman 2025-03-01 11:04||   2025-03-01 11:04|| Front Page Top

#17 Nobody wants Europe except Muslims & Africans.
Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-03-01 11:24||   2025-03-01 11:24|| Front Page Top

#18 @16 The sh*tty little Taliban ruling sh*tty little Afghanistan inflicted a shameful defeat on NATO and the US.

The will to surrender is a sufficient condition for surrender and the West does want to surrender.

If / When Ukraine falls Europe will go down with a whimper.

As for what Russia wants:

The draft treaties are Russia's official demands, officially published by Russia.

In a first step Russia wants to divide NATO strategically into pre 1997 and post 1997 members.

The last step is the US losing its right to free navigation of the US surface navy in international waters.
Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2025-03-01 11:24||   2025-03-01 11:24|| Front Page Top

#19 @17 Muslims are among Russia's allies in Europe.
Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2025-03-01 11:27||   2025-03-01 11:27|| Front Page Top

#20 IMO: somebody should go, lie down a bit.
Posted by Grom the Affective 2025-03-01 11:54||   2025-03-01 11:54|| Front Page Top

#21 Contrarian view- a made for tv ‘Dear Leader’ event; legit questions were asked, DJT objected, lap dog Vance treated Zelensky like a child at the Christmas kid’s table.
And why was the Russian TASS news agency there, but not listed in attendees?
Trump set our international relations back.
Posted by USN, Ret. 2025-03-01 12:05||   2025-03-01 12:05|| Front Page Top

#22 And why was the Russian TASS news agency there, but not listed in attendees?

I saw a bit somewhere that said the TASS guy snuck in uninvited and was tossed on discovery. No idea of the report's veracity. Seems like rather lax security.
Posted by SteveS 2025-03-01 12:44||   2025-03-01 12:44|| Front Page Top

#23 For the Rantburg readers, is there a specific date/event that changed your narrative from backing Ukraine/Zelensky to what it is now.

That'd be the date of the Maidan Coup back in, what was it, 2014? I just knew that Obama was somehow involved in that and it was dirty, dirty, dirty. Then there was Joe Biden and Hunter Biden laundering money and peddling influence with crooked Ukrainian oligarchs. There was the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax in 2016 and then there was Alexander Vindman screaming about Trump's phone call to Zelensky (in which Trump did absolutely nothing wrong). The final straw was in the summer of 2022 when Tony Blinken insisted that NATO would expand into Ukraine. The end game became clear: Western globalists want regime change in Moscow so they can spread their corruption all the way to Vladivostok.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2025-03-01 12:45||   2025-03-01 12:45|| Front Page Top

#24 If Zelensky doesn't have his bug out bag all ready to go and a secure hidey hole in another part of the world with his ill gotten gains in a Swiss bank, he is dumber than I thought and that's dumber than dirt. It's time for him to bail.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2025-03-01 12:51||   2025-03-01 12:51|| Front Page Top

#25 Meghan McCain saying we need to war with Russia because Ukraine has a street named after my daddy was pretty wild.
Posted by swksvolFF 2025-03-01 12:57||   2025-03-01 12:57|| Front Page Top

#26 One of my favorites was 40 kill The Ghost of Kyyyv, who was transgender, and after xer was shot down, xer's pristine recovered helmet going up for auction in London.
Posted by swksvolFF 2025-03-01 13:00||   2025-03-01 13:00|| Front Page Top

#27 When you've lost CNN, that's just about the end of the line.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2025-03-01 13:18||   2025-03-01 13:18|| Front Page Top

#28 For the Rantburg readers, is there a specific date/event that changed your narrative from backing Ukraine/Zelensky to what it is now.

The other way around. I hadn't really paid attention to developments in Ukraine, especially with Corona being the central issue.

I had mistakenly thought the conflict was frozen.

When the news about the Russian draft treaties came out I knew that something big and bad was going to happen, not even necessarily in Ukraine.
Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2025-03-01 13:23||   2025-03-01 13:23|| Front Page Top

#29 Huh? Draft treaties are not the ones that get signed and ratified. Do you have a link to them? Why not post them here instead of making vague accusations?

Something big and bad?

Huh?

Can you be a little more specific?
Posted by Abu Uluque 2025-03-01 13:27||   2025-03-01 13:27|| Front Page Top

#30 A lot different dealing with a man who puts America first rather than a senile sociopath war pig looking for kick backs
Posted by Regular joe  2025-03-01 13:58||   2025-03-01 13:58|| Front Page Top

#31 The draft treaties are Russia's demands.

They demand the strategic dissolution of NATO and they demand an end to free navigation in international waters for the US surface navy.

The Ukraine war is by far the biggest and worst armed conflict in Europe since WW2, "big and bad" is a euphemism for this disaster.
Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2025-03-01 14:28||   2025-03-01 14:28|| Front Page Top

#32 The sh*tty little Taliban ruling sh*tty little Afghanistan inflicted a shameful defeat on NATO and the US.

No, in a repeat of Vietnam, the Democrats inflicted a defeat upon America, assisted this time by a military establishment more interested in managing than winning.
Posted by Procopius2k 2025-03-01 14:34||   2025-03-01 14:34|| Front Page Top

#33 @32 There was and is a broad consensus in the Western political class, far beyond US Democrats, that especially after being attacked we should appease Islam.

The enemy, who couldn't be called the enemy because that would have hurt his feelings couldn't even be scolded, because that would have hurt his feelings too.

NATO's mission in Afghanistan was officially the defense of the Muslim faith, including the death penalty for breathing while being ex-Muslim.
Posted by Elmerert Hupens2660 2025-03-01 14:54||   2025-03-01 14:54|| Front Page Top

#34 Mollie Hemmingway nail's it: "Yesterday, Susan Rice said of the Trump-Zelensky meeting, "There is no question this was a set up." She revealed full knowledge of the mineral agreement, complained that it didn't include "concrete" security agrees (meaning, apparently, commitment of US troops on the ground if conditions merit), and then mischaracterized Trump's behavior, counting on most Americans to not have watched what transpired over the entire hour in the Oval Office.

You can look at this and dismiss it as typical Democrat talking points, but you could also view it as almost a confession, one that includes details about the current "Get Trump" effort.

Yes, Trump won the popular vote against unbelievable odds, but if you think Team Obama is being any less involved in quiet insurrections than they were during the first Trump administration (Russia collusion, Ukraine impeachment, etc.), you're clueless. I'll remind you that Susan Rice was in the small Jan. 5, 2017 meeting in the WH with other key Russia collusion hoax perpetrators."

"...Zelensky repeatedly declined opportunities to sign the deal in Kyiv and Munich, and requested the meeting at the White House. It later came out that Rice and Tony Blinken, Victoria Nuland, and Alexander Vindman may have been personally advising Zelensky to do this meeting in the way he did -- that they recommended him to be hostile and to try to goad Trump into blowing up. Even though he didn't, and even though Zelensky's actions horrified many normal Americans, the Obama team went on the airwaves to falsely characterize what happened."

"Instead, Zelensky had one of the worst stage performances of his acting career, and Trump was statesmanlike (against all odds) throughout. Zelensky followed Team Obama's advice to be hostile to a tee, but it didn't land how they thought it would. Surprisingly, one of the most important aspects of it not working out might have been Lindsay Graham's reaction. Had he and other neocons thought Zelensky was being reasonable, Trump would be having to fight (even moreso) the neocon portion of the GOP in addition to Team Obama's dirty tricks. Even the "conservative" neocon pundits on TV last night were admitting Zelensky had royally messed up."

https://x.com/MZHemingway/status/1895872853930545214
Posted by NoMoreBS 2025-03-01 15:52||   2025-03-01 15:52|| Front Page Top

#35 The Parties shall exercise restraint in military planning and conducting exercises to reduce risks of eventual dangerous situations in accordance with their obligations under international law, including those set out in intergovernmental agreements on the prevention of incidents at sea outside territorial waters and in the airspace above, as well as in intergovernmental agreements on the prevention of dangerous military activities.

Elmerert, is this what you're on about? How do you get from "restraint" to an end to free navigation in international waters? Aren't you exaggerating just a little bit?

It sounds like Putin doesn't want NATO naval exercises in the Black Sea. Why would NATO need naval exercises in the Black Sea?

I just scanned the document at your link and saw absolutely nothing about the dissolution of NATO. Yes, it seems the Russians don't want NATO to include any more nations than it already has.

Do you really believe NATO needs Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kahzakstan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijian, Afghanistan, Mongolia, Pakistan or any more than it already has? What do those countries have to do with defending Western Europe from the USSR?

Do you really believe that Putin invaded Ukraine completely out of the blue without any provocation? You don't think that maybe he was paranoid about NATO troops, tanks, drones, missiles and war planes on his border?

Besides all that, my understanding of a "draft" treaty is that it's a starting point for negotiations. Biden wouldn't even negotiate which tells me that what he really wanted was war and conquest. I'd rather have negotiations and I don't give a rat's ass what Zelensky thinks about it.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2025-03-01 17:30||   2025-03-01 17:30|| Front Page Top

#36  VDH's latest
Posted by 3dc 2025-03-01 17:51||   2025-03-01 17:51|| Front Page Top

#37 Saw an observation that US AID staff assigned for duty in Ukraine reduced from 64 to 8 employees. wow
Posted by Clem+Elmish4239 2025-03-01 18:56||   2025-03-01 18:56|| Front Page Top

#38 ^#21 lap dog Vance treated Zelensky like a child at the Christmas kid’s table.
And why was the Russian TASS news agency there, but not listed in attendees?
Trump set our international relations back.
Posted by USN, Ret

And Musk is an egomaniac, right. The TDS is strong with you USN
Posted by Woodrow 2025-03-01 19:46||   2025-03-01 19:46|| Front Page Top

#39 ^ Surprising, but yeah. WTF?
Posted by Frank G 2025-03-01 20:14||   2025-03-01 20:14|| Front Page Top

#40 Woodrow-i voted for trump, at least he could string a sentence together. But to backstab in a what looks to me like a planned for tv hit stinks of pettiness.
Couple this with the crap musk is doing, completely off the rails ( nobody elected him to take out dog crap, much less anything else) and if that is your definition of tds, so be it.
Not reported elsewhere but it is reported that Norway told the US Navy to find someplace else to refuel.
So they must have TDS as well.
Posted by USN, Ret. 2025-03-01 21:10||   2025-03-01 21:10|| Front Page Top

#41 USN, did you vote for the people who ran Biden? Or just quietly approve?
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