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2006-03-26 Home Front: Politix
Immigration issue draws thousands into streets
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Posted by ed 2006-03-26 11:55|| || Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 ... and want the chance to be legal, law-abiding citizens.

So start by coming here legally.
Posted by VAMark 2006-03-26 12:10||   2006-03-26 12:10|| Front Page Top

#2 Half a million?
Must have the potential to be effective legislation.
Posted by tu3031 2006-03-26 12:23||   2006-03-26 12:23|| Front Page Top

#3 Illegal immigration is a criminal act and should be treated as such. And I'm appalled by the blatant racism of our naturalized Latino citizens who are siding with these criminals over their own country because they "look like us".
Posted by BH 2006-03-26 12:36||   2006-03-26 12:36|| Front Page Top

#4 As a Californian I'm disgusted with our politicians response to this invasion. Illegal aliens are here illegally! Throw them out!

I'm infuriated every time I see an advertisement posted on city buses in Spanish. Damnit! This is the USA - Speak English! I have no desire to learn spanish and (damn it!) I shouldn't have to learn their damn language to live in my own damn State.

Arg!
Posted by Leigh 2006-03-26 13:00||   2006-03-26 13:00|| Front Page Top

#5 Immigration reform can not work. All the debate, rhetoric, and political capital will do nothing to change the situation which causes this problem. These theatrical displays are only focused upon the symptom of the problem and the underlying causal factor.

The problem is in Mexico City. The multi-generational oligarchy that constitutes Mexico’s ruling class has absolutely no motivation to change the situation. In fact they must encourage it. The depth of their corruption and economic impact of their xenophobic chauvinistic constitution insures the continuation of their double digit unemployment. If they could not unload eleven million unemployed upon their neighbor, Mexico and its rulers would have faced revolution and reform decades ago. I was stationed in Korea in the late ‘80s. Here’s a country which was leveled in the early 1950’s in a war. Yet, with an area of Kansas, no natural resources and a much smaller population, Korea is listed as 13th in GDP. Mexico, far larger, gifted with both abundant natural resources and arable land, a greater population upon which to draw, and no destruction of its infrastructure, is 11th. Tells you something about how the ruling class in Mexico has prioritized its concerns. This is not in competency. This is corruption to the very base level of governing. It’s a cancer. As long as that cancer is there, it is not in the interest of the oligarchy in Mexico to stop the flow of its citizens out of the country to allow them, the ruling class, to retain power.

No where in any of the talk about immigration or immigration reform do I see these thoughts. As long as it is ignored, nothing on immigration is really going to change. We’ve taken the UN Security Council approach to the issue. We know what needs to be done, but it is too unpalatable to do that we instead choose to issue papers and wish the problem would go away. Given that like any group in power is unlikely to voluntarily surrender power or agree to reforms which will diminish their power, the choices are not pretty and therefore unlikely to be articulated.

However, the trans-national progressives [tnp] offer an opening. They argue for reform based upon humanitarian considerations and the surrender of national identity. Well its time to play that back into their face. If they’re really concerned about the obreros, why just the ones that are able to make it to the US? What about those back in the towns and villages who are unable to take such a trek? And if we are asked to surrender our sovereignty, why shouldn’t Mexico? Why not press the issue back. Would not the people of Mexico be better off given a stable currency, stable economy, free flow of labor and capital, and an injection of cultural intolerance of governmental corruption? Does not the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico enjoy such a status now? Why would a Commonwealth of Mexico not also enjoy such opportunities. Right now we’re saddled with all the responsibilities and none of the benefits. It won’t be easy. Nothing worthwhile usually is. However, I have to wonder how such a dialogue among us be received by the ruling class in Mexico? Suddenly, the ruling class will see another threat other than reform to their power. You’ll see the first indication when they rally the people around the Mexican flag. Like we haven’t seen that show already played in recent days. I think it is time we begin a propaganda war. One based upon the advantages to the average Mexicans which offers them a positive alternative to their failed government. Watch the ruling class when that happens. It’ll follow the usual pattern of exploiting nationalism to engender power. Just keep pointing out that every body that crosses that border is another vote for Commonwealth status. Keep hitting that line. Remember most wars are not won on the defense, they’re won on the offense. The Mexican political establishment has been at war with El Norte for decades, eating away at their neighbors sovereignty. Its time to reverse the flow.
Posted by Thens Grailing2905 2006-03-26 13:29||   2006-03-26 13:29|| Front Page Top

#6 TG, yes, you've described the cause. However, we in the US are like a patient with a severed artery. We have to staunch the blood flow immediately or later measures mean nothing. We HAVE to seal the borders now. Both north and south. We, our entire system, are being over run. Once a permanent change is made, there is no going back. If all high level jobs are outsourced, and low level ones insourced( ie. illegal work force) what in hell will your children and grand children do ? Of course, the aristocracy of Mexico, a few families of european origin, have run the country like Old Spain for centuries. tehy are only deporting the native Indian cast-offs. They relish this solution. Unfortunately, the American aristocracy love it also. Drops their wage base dramatically. Some people here don't care, until their own job/livlihood is directly affected. Even now your health and healthcare system are directly affected, but you pay no attention. The day you or yours appear in emergency and have to lay on a gurney for an hour because emergency personnel are attending walk-ins with no insurance and your loved one doesn't make it, you'll finally wake to present day reality. It will be too late for you. It'll be too late for others also. These cahnges and impacts are not benign as these corportae employers might have one believe. They tell you we can't survive without illegals. Seems to me the US was MUCH more vibrant and prosperant in the 50's & 60's and not any illegal workforce at all. How is that ?
Posted by SOP35/Rat 2006-03-26 13:55||   2006-03-26 13:55|| Front Page Top

#7 Well, in part it's because we had an industrial base after WWII and most of Europe didn't -- but they had aid and a deep need to buy things.

That prosperity here at home was a direct outcome of the disparities after the war. By the late 60s, when they had begun to catch up, we faced stagflation as a result.
Posted by anon 2006-03-26 14:04||   2006-03-26 14:04|| Front Page Top

#8 I only hope that the Republican leadership (sic) doesn't cave because a MINORITY protest. Every time that California has put so-called "anti-immigrant" proposals on the ballot they have won by HUGE margins.
Posted by Cyber Sarge 2006-03-26 14:08||   2006-03-26 14:08|| Front Page Top

#9 It sure worked for Pete Wilson. Forget it. The trunks will cave to the wetbacks and their employers. It killed the UFW didn't it?
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-03-26 14:28||   2006-03-26 14:28|| Front Page Top

#10 If we stop giving free care as in emergency medicaid and all the other free services, that may slow the migration down.
The employers need to offer insurance to the workers if they work for them. They can't have it both ways. Businesses that benefit by their cheap labor, and the rest of us are stuck paying medical costs for the worker and the whole family.
It would also be good to insist on english; to separate our country using 2 different languages isn't a melting pot. We need to encourage folks that want to be here, to join in our culture, not bring theirs. To keep their culture and ways alive in the home is one thing, but to embrace america's values and way of life in public is very important. Diversity is good, but sameness is important too, with similar values upheld. We've become too politically correct here. I really don't like the direction our leaders are taking us in.
It's not right to be here illegally and expect to attain legal status by such a bold and defiant manner. Too bad the chance was missed, I bet most at the rally were illegals and could have been rounded up. A form of penance needs to be paid of sorts, don't you think?
Posted by Jan 2006-03-26 17:58||   2006-03-26 17:58|| Front Page Top

#11 This is what is coming to in the American Southwest folks. Their real intention is open borders, wresting control of governance (with the open support of the Democratic Party) from enfranchised citizens, and recreating Alta California. It is almost certainly too late to stop it absent actual bloodshed, and Americans frankly don't have the stomach for it. Kiss the American Southwest Goodbye, it will look and run like Baja, replete with the corruption and bullshit kleptocracy they have in Mexico now. Ever since we stopped using deadly force as a means of last resort to control the borders in the late 80's, the USBP has been playing tackle football against literally millions a year for years now. ANd if you think the number of illegals here is 10-12 million, look at the streets of L.A. I'd guess closer to 20 million, and you are paying for them, in healthcare, ruined schools, declining social services, infrastructure maintenance defered to shore up failing systems (drive I-5 in LA or even up the central valley sometime).
But above all, the sheer ARROGANCE of these shitheads just galls me to rage.......... theives in the night stealing the heritage of my grandchildren like it was their damn right......
Posted by Just About Enough! 2006-03-26 18:39||   2006-03-26 18:39|| Front Page Top

#12 
Charge them for parking!!!
Posted by Master of Obvious 2006-03-26 20:01||   2006-03-26 20:01|| Front Page Top

#13 One thing the illegals are doing is killing the welfare system. Everyone talks about how hard these people work, but they are massively subsidized by the taxpayer. Their medical care through emergency rooms, their kids swamping public schools to the point of total dysfunction, welfare..... There may not be political will to stop illegals, but the will to fund the mounting welfare bill for both citizens and illegals is evaporating and the system may be effectively defunded within 10 years.
Posted by RWV 2006-03-26 22:31||   2006-03-26 22:31|| Front Page Top

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