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2008-03-26 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Blair calls for rethinking Gaza strategy, citing humanitarian crisis

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Posted by Fred 2008-03-26 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11137 views ] Top
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#1 if anyone can come up with a way of getting food to the people that still isolates Hamas, Im game.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-03-26 09:40|| 2008-03-26 09:40|| Front Page Top

#2 The people voted for Hamas. You can't give them food and isolate Hamas at the same time. One or the other.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-03-26 09:52|| 2008-03-26 09:52|| Front Page Top

#3 voting for Hamas isnt being Hamas - at least some of those voters just found fatah corrupt - and some in gaza voted for Fatah or others - and some were too young too vote. I want to isolate hamas the organization (including all its wings) - feeding everyone else would not only be right, but would be good strategy - since the suffering in Gaza (including the exaggerated picture of such in the arab media) undermines Fayed/abbas in the West bank.

Im just not sure how you do it, short of landing EU troops (say) to deliver aid.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-03-26 09:55|| 2008-03-26 09:55|| Front Page Top

#4 voting for Hamas isnt being Hamas

Riiiight. And voting for Hitler didn't make one a Nazi. But it did mean all the German people had to yell uncle before the war was over. The Palestinians need to yell uncle and I, frankly, don't care what it takes to make that happen.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-03-26 10:38|| 2008-03-26 10:38|| Front Page Top

#5 Liberalhawk.

After reading your post I can only think that "Man is the only animal who stumbles twice on the same stone"

Sixty years of pouring money on the Palestinians have ever, never produced any other result than more terrorism. And there is a strong correlation (in the mathematical sense) between the amount of money poured on the Palestinians and the number of terrorist attacks.

So by mere logic the solution is to completely cut
any aid to the Palestinians. Completely like zero dollars. It would be still better if we asked them for refunding what we have given them since 1948. You see, this would force them to earn their lives at the sweat of their brows and they would no longer have time for terrorism. THis would force them to teach marketable skills to their youngsters instead of instilling on five year olds a genocidal hate who would make SS training look moderate. Also they would be less enthousiast for terrorism once they have to pay it from their own pockets and once they know that they not us would have to pay for property destroyed by Israel's retaliatory attacks.

After that we could use the money on more deserving people like the Black Sudanese or the
Cypriots who were expulsed by the Turks and got
zero aid from UN and the western powers.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2008-03-26 11:18|| 2008-03-26 11:18|| Front Page Top

#6 let them eat dust.

Posted by 3dc 2008-03-26 12:25|| 2008-03-26 12:25|| Front Page Top

#7 Let the Saudis take care of them. Less money left for al Qaeda and Wahabi mosques in the west.

Posted by ed 2008-03-26 12:30|| 2008-03-26 12:30|| Front Page Top

#8 "And voting for Hitler didn't make one a Nazi."

Yes, I agree.

"But it did mean all the German people had to yell uncle before the war was over. "

The political situation is far different. Germany was a state, that had to surrender, and agree to loss certain lands they held before 1939. (they also were divided, but WE in the US never said THAT was desirable)

The Pals need to accept Israel, accept the loss of any claim on anything held by Israel before 1967, and also accept modifications to the green line for the sake of Israels security. But to do that, they actually have to have a state (which, it is usually argued, is a concession TO them -but then that is to remind us that as stupid as Pal strategy has been, always missing opportunities, they DONT have a state) Thats the basis for Israels negotiations with the PA. I consider it "crying uncle" sufficient to meet Israels needs. Anything more is both unnecessary, and not feasible.

And it should be recalled, the USA itself in 1945 had several times the population of Germany, as well as UK and Commonwealth, France, and USSR joining the occupation. Most of the rest of the world supported it, and hardly anyone, not even germanys former allies, opposed it. Israel must do any occupation alone, with an unsympathetic world, and with states in the region that are either are already close to war, or will become so if Israel goes much further in making the Pals cry uncle. Even if you beleive the Pals are equivalent to Nazis (I lost a great-grandparent to the Nazis, and my wife 3 grandparents, and I DONT like that analogy) Israel simply does not have the strategic options that faced the US in 1945.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-03-26 13:48|| 2008-03-26 13:48|| Front Page Top

#9 "You see, this would force them to earn their lives at the sweat of their brows"

that would mean allowing Pal exports from Gaza. At this point thats far more questionable from the security POV than letting free food IN.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-03-26 13:50|| 2008-03-26 13:50|| Front Page Top

#10 Still living off handouts after all this time eh?

Posted by Bulldog 2008-03-26 14:00|| 2008-03-26 14:00|| Front Page Top

#11 Still living off handouts after all this time eh?

Posted by Bulldog 2008-03-26 14:02|| 2008-03-26 14:02|| Front Page Top

#12 Still living off handouts after all this time eh?

To you it's handouts, to them it's Jezia.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-03-26 15:47|| 2008-03-26 15:47|| Front Page Top

#13 that would mean allowing Pal exports from Gaza.

They have a common frontier with Egypt isn't it? About Palestinian exports; first they burn the greenhouses (given by the Jooooooos), second: they
allege they can't export anything and ask for our money. How sweeet!

BTW, look at some photos from Palestinian childs and then look at some from Darfur. Tell me which ones ae underwight.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2008-03-26 16:10|| 2008-03-26 16:10|| Front Page Top

#14 The egyptian frontier is closed till they get a border crossing regime in place, which hasnt happened yet, AFAIK.

Yeah, what they did to the greenhouses was stupid, i never said they aint stupid.

Sure Darfur is worse. How that helps Israel, I dont know.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-03-26 16:24|| 2008-03-26 16:24|| Front Page Top

#15 I have no sympathy, either for murderous paleos hiding behind a supportive population that has done nothing, NOTHING, NOT ONE THING, to protest ANYTHING that that regime has done, or for moralistic self-masturbators who fancy themselves masters of moral law so as to grant indulgences to the undeserving.

There is no token resistance. No graffitti, no quiet protests, no "interviews granted with voice alteration and the face in the shadows for fear of retaliation". WHO benefits if the Israelis capitulate? Do not the Paleos COUNT on those whose sole power is the pretense of absolving the guilty of responsibility> Would they not BENEFIT? With "WORTHY" supporters like Blair and his LIBERAL cohorts, why NOT hold out in COURAGEOUS SOLIDARITY?

Blather in righteous indignation if you want: someone who worries more about hungry paleos than dying Israelis has A F*CKED up moral compass.

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2008-03-26 20:40|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2008-03-26 20:40|| Front Page Top

#16 isn't "self-masturbators" redundant? Or do I have another dependent on my tax return I can declare...gonna file this weekend, please respond ASAP, Ptah

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-03-26 20:48|| 2008-03-26 20:48|| Front Page Top

#17 I apologize for offending you, lh. At the risk of offending someone else you can make the analogy one of voting for secession didn't make one a slave holder, but the entire South had to scream before slavery ended. The Pals need to have a Sherman go to the sea and make them scream. It won't stop til that happens or Israel ceases to exist.

As to the Paleos not having a state, it is due only to their own laziness, stupidity, and incompetence. No one is stopping them from forming a state and if they did, Israel would have someone to make peace with. But instead they prefer to be terrorists who prey on children. They should be made to scream.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-03-26 20:56|| 2008-03-26 20:56|| Front Page Top

#18 Yes, it is redundant, and no, there's only one: When a liberal wants to have a discussion, he'll talk to "me, myself, and I",and fancy he has a quorum.

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2008-03-26 21:15|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2008-03-26 21:15|| Front Page Top

#19 crap...so no write-off? LOL - just playing Ptah....

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2008-03-26 22:04|| 2008-03-26 22:04|| Front Page Top

#20 Poor Frank. The things he has to worry about!

The Palestinians don't need a formal state in order to sue for peace, nor to negotiate regularizing their situation with Israe, who has been negotiating with Abbas for years, and Arafat before him. They've got everything in place, and have been treated as a real (Abbas/Fatah)and shadow (whatsisname/Hamas) government for years now.

Those Palestinians who want work to support their families have been emigrating since 1948, or sending off their children. Those remaining either support their war on Israel, or are trying to leave. *shrug* I've given up on the belief that anything less than clearing the Territories is going to end the terrorism.

Posted by trailing wife 2008-03-26 23:44|| 2008-03-26 23:44|| Front Page Top

#21 LOL TW - sorry you were drug into my gutter

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