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2022-03-13 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Bennett advises Zelensky to surrender to Russia, Zelensky refuses - Ukrainian official

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Posted by BrerRabbit 2022-03-13 00:00|| || Front Page|| [16 views ] Top

#1 We're close to the endgame now. The Russians are mopping up in the East and Kyiv's on its last legs.

Despite the western media's BS, propaganda and cheerleading, the truth is that Zelensky is desperate and would be wise to accept Bennett's advice and give up. John Mearsheimer agrees:
"John Mearsheimer - What Should Ukraine Do & Is Russia Losing The War Due To Economic Sanctions"
30K views · 18 hours ago
"If the Ukrainians were smart, they would divorce themselves from the United States... and work out a modus vivendi with Russia.... My view is, if you're a small player in the international system, and you live next door to a gorilla, then you absolutely have to accommodate that gorilla"

Posted by No Fortunate Son 2022-03-13 00:36|| 2022-03-13 00:36|| Front Page Top

#2 We hear lots of posturing puffery about "morality." The truly moral solution now is for Ukraine to renounce Zelensky's reckless and foolish vow to take over Crimea and Sevastopol (issued March 24, 2021); divorce itself from NATO and the US; and agree to the Minsk II terms with new emendations reflecting the new military reality in the Donbas.

As Mearsheimer says, this "modus vivendi with Russia" would be the best outcome by far for the US, for Russia -- "and most importantly, for the Ukrainian people."

Posted by No Fortunate Son 2022-03-13 00:42|| 2022-03-13 00:42|| Front Page Top

#3 Some interesting reading for Chekist trolls:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/stephen-kotkin-putin-russia-ukraine-stalin

Posted by Nero 2022-03-13 01:17|| 2022-03-13 01:17|| Front Page Top

#4 Zelensky refuses, because Soros says otherwise.

Posted by Cthulhu of Ryleh 2022-03-13 01:17|| 2022-03-13 01:17|| Front Page Top

#5 both Bennett's and Zelensky's office have denied this story

Posted by Lord Garth 2022-03-13 06:55|| 2022-03-13 06:55|| Front Page Top

#6
Surrender is the end of Ukraine, and Zelenski's life. Not a good offer.

Posted by flash91 2022-03-13 08:27|| 2022-03-13 08:27|| Front Page Top

#7 Surrender is the ~~end~~ survival of what's left of Ukraine, FIFY

and Zelenski's life.

Not if he's guaranteed a safe haven where he's parked his illicit money (BVI, per the bank account data revealed in the Panama Papers).

Israel could also take him in: many of the "great Jewish oligarchs from Ukraine and Russia have Israeli citizenship. Including not just Viktor Vekselberg, Mikhail Friedman, Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky and many others but also -- well, looked here, Igor Kolomoisky, the patron and protector of none other. than ... Zelensky.

So Zelensky will probably end up safe in Israel, like Pinochet being whisked off safely to England for his remaining years. Zelensky's family and corrupt fellow Kolomoisky-puppets have pads in Londongrad so he'd feel right at home.

Not a good offer.

The least bad offer. For all of us, especially the poor Ukrainian people.

Posted by No Fortunate Son 2022-03-13 09:15|| 2022-03-13 09:15|| Front Page Top

#8 ^ Yes, indeed #1. Then#4 yes. Swamp, Kerry, Biden's, Soros and DNC desperately needs massive cash cow Ukraine. I look each day for them to wiggle and squirm. People have left Ukraine because the massive Zelensky corruption. Soros placed devotee.

Posted by Dale 2022-03-13 09:46|| 2022-03-13 09:46|| Front Page Top

#9 Official now. Endgame. Time to scoot Zelensky to safety a la Pinochet. (Hint: Poland is a really BAD idea. Try the British Virgin Islands. Or maybe Martha's Vineyard.)

US and Europe weigh plans for Ukrainian government in exile
By Natasha Bertrand and Kylie Atwood
CNN
20 hrs ago

US and European officials have been discussing how the West would support a government in exile helmed by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky should he have to flee Kyiv. etty

US and European officials have been discussing how the West would support a government in exile helmed by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky should he have to flee Kyiv, Western officials told CNN.

Posted by No Fortunate Son 2022-03-13 11:03|| 2022-03-13 11:03|| Front Page Top

#10 Trump would have prevented this - as he is now reminding us. That's why the Clinton and Obama crowd had to stop him

Nobody was ever tougher on Russia than me’: Trump says he’d be speaking to Putin to avoid WWIII
By Patrick Reilly
NY Post
March 12, 2022
Russia would not have invaded Ukraine if Donald Trump were in the White House, the former president insisted during a rally in South Carolina.
"This could lead to WWIII. I see what’s happening, because if you think Putin’s going to stop, it’s going to get worse and worse. He’s not going to accept it, and we don’t have anybody to talk to him. You had somebody to talk to him with me,” Trump told the crowd in Florence, South Carolina on Saturday night.

Posted by Hunter Bidens Laptop 2022-03-13 11:23|| 2022-03-13 11:23|| Front Page Top

#11 I don't think Israel will take Zelensky. Didn't he stash most of his loot in London real estate? Maybe Boris can install him as the new Chelsea FC owner. He could entertain the crowd with stand-up before the game

Posted by Jack Is Back 2022-03-13 11:30|| 2022-03-13 11:30|| Front Page Top

#12 I’ve got as far as the first question in Nero’s link. Interesting.

We’ve been hearing voices both past and present saying that the reason for what has happened is, as George Kennan put it, the strategic blunder of the eastward expansion of nato. The great-power realist-school historian John Mearsheimer insists that a great deal of the blame for what we’re witnessing must go to the United States. I thought we’d begin with your analysis of that argument.

I have only the greatest respect for George Kennan. John Mearsheimer is a giant of a scholar. But I respectfully disagree. The problem with their argument is that it assumes that, had nato not expanded, Russia wouldn’t be the same or very likely close to what it is today. What we have today in Russia is not some kind of surprise. It’s not some kind of deviation from a historical pattern. Way before nato existed—in the nineteenth century—Russia looked like this: it had an autocrat. It had repression. It had militarism. It had suspicion of foreigners and the West. This is a Russia that we know, and it’s not a Russia that arrived yesterday or in the nineteen-nineties. It’s not a response to the actions of the West. There are internal processes in Russia that account for where we are today.

I would even go further. I would say that nato expansion has put us in a better place to deal with this historical pattern in Russia that we’re seeing again today. Where would we be now if Poland or the Baltic states were not in nato? They would be in the same limbo, in the same world that Ukraine is in. In fact, Poland’s membership in nato stiffened nato’s spine. Unlike some of the other nato countries, Poland has contested Russia many times over. In fact, you can argue that Russia broke its teeth twice on Poland: first in the nineteenth century, leading up to the twentieth century, and again at the end of the Soviet Union, with Solidarity. So George Kennan was an unbelievably important scholar and practitioner—the greatest Russia expert who ever lived—but I just don’t think blaming the West is the right analysis for where we are.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-03-13 13:23|| 2022-03-13 13:23|| Front Page Top

#13 TW as an aside, while your counter-argument is sound, perhaps the pace and motives of the most recent (read past 10-15 years) efforts to seal off the borders of Russia from the West were not coordinated with a further connectivity with the economy and cultural connectivity with the Russians, and by that I mean a genuine attempt to reverse the triangulation with China, encourage comity and remind them they are a mainland part of Europe, not Asia in the main. Their baseline culture is Western by heritage, but since the times of Peter the Great they have been rebuffed almost continually until the great tragedy of Marxist theocracy, but even that rotted fairly quickly. By all modern real-politic standards, they should see the China threat above all others, and see the role of vassal state as foreign and destructive to the Motherland!

Posted by NoMoreBS 2022-03-13 13:40|| 2022-03-13 13:40|| Front Page Top

#14 End days now. Both sides' negotiators just said they expect a signed agreement within a few days. Who will shelter Zelensky when he goes into exile? Soros? On Zuckerberg's Hawaiian island?

Or maybe in Epstein's palace?

RUSSIA AND UKRAINE GIVE BRIGHTEST ASSESSMENT YET OF PROGRESS IN TALKS ON WAR
March 13, 2022
(Reuters) -Russian and Ukrainian officials gave their most upbeat assessments yet on Sunday of progress in their talks on the war in Ukraine, suggesting there could be positive results within days.

Ukrainian negotiator and presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said in a video posted online,
“I think that we will achieve some results literally in a matter of days."

RIA news agency quoted a Russian delegate, Leonid Slutsky, as saying the talks had made substantial progress.
“According to my personal expectations, this progress may grow in the coming days into a joint position of both delegations, into documents for signing,” Slutsky said.

Posted by No Fortunate Son 2022-03-13 14:40|| 2022-03-13 14:40|| Front Page Top

#15 Is Epstein's palace still available for Little Big Man's exile? Mucho spare room for Igor Kolomoisky and his entire entourage

Posted by No Fortunate Son 2022-03-13 14:44|| 2022-03-13 14:44|| Front Page Top

#16 Location of peace talks being finalized now - Israel or Turkey. I'd guess Istanbul.

Posted by No Fortunate Son 2022-03-13 15:47|| 2022-03-13 15:47|| Front Page Top

#17 By all modern real-politic standards, they should see the China threat above all others, and see the role of vassal state as foreign and destructive to the Motherland!

They and we, both, NoMoreBS. Did you read Was China Betting on Russian Defeat All Along?, posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain? Also thought provoking.

Posted by trailing wife 2022-03-13 22:13|| 2022-03-13 22:13|| Front Page Top

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