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2006-04-12 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by Fred 2006-04-12 10:52|| || Front Page|| [11126 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The "real ~~killer~~ rapist" got away in a white ford Bronco that was recovered sometime later. DNA of the vehicle follows:

Driver door interior 0 1 OJS
Instrument panel 0 1 OJS
Driver side carpet 0 1 OJS
Steering wheel 0 6 OJS & NBS
Center console (item 30) 0 2 OJS
Center console (item 31) 0 2 OJS
Driver side wall 0 1 OJS
Driver side carpet 0 1 NBS
Center console (combination of 3 below) 4 * OJS
Center console (item 303) * 2 OJS
Center console (item 304) * 2 OJS
Center console (item 305) * 2 OJS

Posted by Besoeker 2006-04-12 11:00|| 2006-04-12 11:00|| Front Page Top

#2 When has the race-baiters ever been concerned with evidence or the rule of law (never mind 'innocent until proven guilty'....).

The sad thing is that this will make it all the harder for the victims in cases of real racism. (Which I think happens - to all races including whites).

BTW: why was the only black team member exempted from providing DNA? Isn't that 'profiling'? Racism?

Posted by CrazyFool 2006-04-12 11:28|| 2006-04-12 11:28|| Front Page Top

#3 Though not mentioned by the media, hate crime hoaxes are quite common in America, especially on college campuses. The Los Angeles Times claims there have been over 20 phony hate crimes on college campuses from 1997-2005, but even that number seems low.

I don't know, I think we've reached an important milestone in America when phony hate crimes probably exceed real hate crimes (with the exception of hate crimes against women). For the last 10 years, or so, we still get race baiting losers crying wolf to get attention- but both blacks and whites - are deeply outraged by these stunts.

This incident is far more offensive and damaging in that it was a false cry of rape than a bogus cry of racism.

Most kids today(black and white) probably find it strange and amusing that in prior generations blacks and whites did not date or marry and will view this event entirely in terms of a rape, or bogus rape, rather than some sort of statement about race relations in America.

Posted by 2b 2006-04-12 12:01|| 2006-04-12 12:01|| Front Page Top

#4 BTW: why was the only black team member exempted from providing DNA?

Because she claimed her attackers were white.

I think it's a bit premature to be crying "Hoax!" The prosecutor thinks she was raped, or at least assaulted.

This case has brought out the stupids in everyone, and it sure ain't pretty.

Posted by Angie Schultz 2006-04-12 12:22|| 2006-04-12 12:22|| Front Page Top

#5 I take offense at that comment. Unless she's claiming that they bathed her, washed her clothes and scrubbed under her nails, which she is not, this isn't rocket science Angie.

Maybe she was raped, but not by the members of the LaCross team. What's outrageous about this is that the ideal of innocent until proven guilty was trampled just because one girl screamed witch, and a school/government sanctioned witch hunt occurred.

I guess you missed that part about the upcoming election when noting the prosecutor didnt have the guts to ask the lynch mobs to go home.

Maybe someone did yell the n*word at her and maybe she was scared. But young women, white black and purple, can all probably relate similar incidents in life where drunken men hanging out of sorority homes made them feel threatened. Maybe they didnt use the n* word but slut, bitch, and whore can be scary too. Its not exactly a news flash to discover that many women, non-strippers, have been raped in jock dorms, but unfortunately for them, they dont get the benefit of demagogue race hustlers racing to the cameras, convicting every single player on the team.

The only one whose bigotry is showing here is your own.

Posted by 2b 2006-04-12 12:42|| 2006-04-12 12:42|| Front Page Top

#6 I take offense at that comment.

Well, tough shit. Oh, was that offensive, too? My goodness me!

If she has injuries as described, then someone gave them to her. Maybe you're right; maybe she was raped by someone else. I agree that the lack of DNA sure is damned odd. I read that in a large percentage of rape cases, DNA is not found. I also read that if they so much as sneezed on her, DNA would be found. So I don't know what to think about that.

But by "the stupids" I mean:

Black people who insist that she must be telling the truth, because of the 400-year-old legacy of oppression and hatred that has been perpetrated blah blah blah...

Men who insist that she must by lying, because of the feminazi war against blah blah blah...

Women who insist that she must be telling the truth, because of the patriarchy blah blah blah...

Idiots who conclude that she was prolly lying because she's a stripper. 'Cause, you know, strippers are women who use their dirty bodies to lead poor, innocent men astray. (Yeah, I realize he was employing hyperbole, but still...)

The prosecutor, who's apparently prepared to kiss any ass, anytime, anywhere.

The dimwitted team member who wrote an email about skinning strippers.

Now, if you find yourself in any of those groups, feel free to have your doctor check you out for a case of the stupids. Otherwise, I probably wasn't talking about you.

I agreed with your comment. I just think that it's a little bit premature to conclude that it was all a hoax.

Posted by Angie Schultz 2006-04-12 15:36|| 2006-04-12 15:36|| Front Page Top

#7 Know what, Angie? I've got $50 that says you wouldn't have made that response to 2B's face. I suspect your second comment might have placed you in a position where you badly needed the attention of a good dentist.

Posted by mac 2006-04-12 15:57|| 2006-04-12 15:57|| Front Page Top

#8 well ooookay then. I guess I misread your point. If it was your point to say that it is premature to smear her the Tawana Brawley label, then I agree. Jumping to that conclusion at this point makes as much sense as jumping to any of the many other un-substantiated conclusions being thrown around at this point.

Posted by 2b 2006-04-12 16:00|| 2006-04-12 16:00|| Front Page Top

#9 mac - you owe her $50 bucks. And no, I didn't see your post before I posted :-)

Posted by 2b 2006-04-12 16:01|| 2006-04-12 16:01|| Front Page Top

#10 I'm a rich white lad with a bright future attending a prestigious southern school. I'm young and careless, but otherwise pretty smart. I know about STD's and HIV. I have a girl friend, or two..... and I need to rape and free-boink a black stripper at a party in front of 40 of my team mates and best friends.............? Yea right.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-04-12 16:05|| 2006-04-12 16:05|| Front Page Top

#11 Supposedly there is video showing the her dancing with the injuries she claimed to have suffered in the rape. if so, then I wonder if the the Duke jocks stiffed or robbed her and the rape claim is her way of getting revenge. Would explain why there is no DNA evidence (as of yet).

Posted by ed 2006-04-12 16:09|| 2006-04-12 16:09|| Front Page Top

#12 Gah. I can't type.

Posted by ed 2006-04-12 16:11|| 2006-04-12 16:11|| Front Page Top

#13 As a Duke grad, high scholl lacrosse player and uncle of a current Duke student, I've been watching this case pretty closely.

First off, the lacrosse team seems to have a reputation for being hard partyers and getting out of control. Rape out of control? Who knows at this point. The DNA evidence says probably not.

Lacrosse players (over generalizing I know) are a mix of cocky and thug. The cocky comes from the "cool factor" attached to the sport, especially today. The thug aspect comes from the fact that this is a violent sport where the guys are big and strong. They are used to using their muscle to get what they want. Of course, lots and lots of lacrosse players are really good guys too.

Pressler should have been fired as soon as word of the party came out. Forget the rape, the party alone, on top of all of the other stuff that team members had gotten into over the years, was a clear demonstration that he did not have control over his team and that they were repeatedly engaging in behavior that did not reflect well on the university.

The race card was pulled almost immediately by the media and has been amplified ever since. Seems to me that the ladies arrived at the party and did not perform, or did so for a few minutes only. The guys were pissed and some probably said some stupid things. Personally I don't feel sorry for them and think it is just another reason Pressler should be fired.

The lefties at Duke went into immediate hyperventilation mode. The DNA evidence won't matter to them. In their mind the players, the university and white people are guilty. They make the university look stupid. The university responding to these cranks makes the university look stupid. But hey, the university faculty and administration is made up mostly of left wing cranks so why should I be surprised.

I am also pissed, but not surprised, that the media treat NCCU and Duke as academic equals, and if they don't then they derisively refer to Duke as an elite institution, like having a bunch of really smart kids who worked their asses off in high school is some kind of bad thing.

Personally, I think something happened to this lady before she got to the house on Buchanan. She was there for a little while and then bolted, pissing off the lacrosse players in the process. I am highly suspicious a rape occurred, because of the DNA, the oddities around the 911 calls and the purported photos showing her drunk and with makrs on her prior to the party.

In the end the lacrosse team showed really lousy judgement holding this party in the first place. Firing the coach and canceling their season was definitely the right thing to do. If rape is proven, the guilty party/parties should spend a long time at the big house being someone's bitch.

Posted by remoteman 2006-04-12 16:16|| 2006-04-12 16:16|| Front Page Top

#14 Mac -- You'd lose anyway.

2b -- Concur completely on your #8. I just thought Rantburg was an odd place to be playing the "I'm offended!" card. "Pull your head out of your ass", now that I'd expect at Rantburg.

Meantime, here's another odd tidbit to add to the pile.

Posted by Angie Schultz 2006-04-12 16:21|| 2006-04-12 16:21|| Front Page Top

#15 BTW: why was the only black team member exempted from providing DNA? Isn't that 'profiling'? Racism?

She told the police she was raped by white men. That's been reported from the beginning of this story.

Posted by lotp 2006-04-12 16:27|| 2006-04-12 16:27|| Front Page Top

#16 That link does add to the mystery and to your point that it's not just a hoax, Angie. Something bad did happen to her that night. It is a very strange sequence of events.

Posted by 2b 2006-04-12 16:42|| 2006-04-12 16:42|| Front Page Top

#17 Duke Lacrosse is a violent sport where the guys are big and strong.

you mean like football?

Posted by RD 2006-04-12 20:20|| 2006-04-12 20:20|| Front Page Top

#18 prosecutor's up for contested re-election....anything else?

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-04-12 21:00|| 2006-04-12 21:00|| Front Page Top

#19 "I read that in a large percentage of rape cases, DNA is not found"

Thats doublespeak: saying they have no dna because they don't have anyone to compare the sample taken from the victim to; e.g. a rape where the attacker isnt' known to the victim and never is seen again. I have hear that argument before (in the court room.)

Posted by Mark E. 2006-04-12 22:29|| 2006-04-12 22:29|| Front Page Top

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