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2005-04-20 China-Japan-Koreas
China calls for new Pope to break Vatican ties with Taiwan
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Posted by Steve White 2005-04-20 12:00:18 AM|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I'm no expert on Catholic affairs,but I doubt that John Paul's suscessor would abandon Taiwan.
Posted by . 2005-04-20 1:31:54 AM||   2005-04-20 1:31:54 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 If I were a pope, I would say to Chinks:
"Ascendo tuum. Amen"
Posted by Sobiesky 2005-04-20 1:45:23 AM||   2005-04-20 1:45:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Ghesundheit, Sobiesky. What does it mean?

Hopefully there is no Chamberlain in Pope Benedict.
Posted by Jame Retief  2005-04-20 7:31:12 AM||   2005-04-20 7:31:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 I know enough Latin to know that tuum is yours and enough English to see ascendo looks a lot like ascend, or go up.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-04-20 7:57:36 AM||   2005-04-20 7:57:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 The guy is now styled Pope Benedict XVI and they're still calling him Joe Ratzinger? My feeling is that they're giving him the finger, the way they once gave Israel the finger by serving shrimp and pork products at an function in China for Israel. Typical Chinese bad manners.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2005-04-20 7:59:12 AM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2005-04-20 7:59:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 I shouldn't really say it's bad manners - it just that they expect him to prostrate himself before them, just as they expected Japan to prostrate itself before them. I think they believe China's power and influence to be bigger than it really is.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2005-04-20 8:00:47 AM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2005-04-20 8:00:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Haven't you been reading their press, Zhang? They're the most powerful nation in the world...someday.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-04-20 8:05:00 AM||   2005-04-20 8:05:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Did you read the reports about Japan being prepared to apologize to Australia for WW2. Sounds like a snub to China to me.
Posted by phil_b 2005-04-20 8:12:16 AM||   2005-04-20 8:12:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Here's some pig Latin for them: Uck-fay ou-yay!
Posted by Spot  2005-04-20 8:24:02 AM||   2005-04-20 8:24:02 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 The relationship between China and the Vatican pits the two oldest diplomacies in the world against eachother. The Vatican can be pursuaded to change its relationship with Taiwan, but only by recognizing the Church in China. There may be many dance steps by both parties around the issue, and agita by the carload. Yet, in the end, Peking is not about to allow an independent Church, and Rome will not end its relationship with Free China without that.
Posted by Chuck Simmins  2005-04-20 8:59:31 AM|| [http://blog.simmins.org]  2005-04-20 8:59:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Benedict XVI is even more anti-communist than John Paul II was. This is something I can attest to.
Chinese Commies are probably the last people on earth who can tell him what to do.
If the "official" Patriotic Catholics don't recognize the Pope they are no Catholics. Very simple.
Posted by True German Ally 2005-04-20 9:15:59 AM||   2005-04-20 9:15:59 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 look for a complementary crackdown and imprisonment of Chinese underground Catholics. Chinese diplomacy at its finest. I hope i live to see the day the politburo is killed by the mobs
Posted by Frank G  2005-04-20 10:12:37 AM||   2005-04-20 10:12:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 "If you stick it to Taiwan, we might call you Benedict. Maybe. And you gotta eat a burger on Good Friday. Then we'll consider it...."

BTW, isn't China the location of the last "secret" cardinal? I heard there was still one out there. Maybe my information is wrong.
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-04-20 11:23:11 AM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-04-20 11:23:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Blondie, since he's secret, no one knows. But we assume he is Chinese. The real issue is whether or not Pope John Paul the Great ever told anyone who it was. Or, he may remain secret for a very long time.
Posted by Chuck Simmins  2005-04-20 11:27:00 AM|| [http://blog.simmins.org]  2005-04-20 11:27:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Mrs. Davis, you've almost nailed it! ;-)
You can translate it as "up yours!"
Posted by Sobiesky 2005-04-20 1:55:30 PM||   2005-04-20 1:55:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Stupid Question:
I don't understand the point of a secret cardinal. Could someone explain it to me? Thanks.
Posted by Yosemite Sam 2005-04-20 2:20:52 PM||   2005-04-20 2:20:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 I think it is widely assumed that China's secret cardinal is Bishop Joseph Zen, who ministers to Hong Kong's spiritual needs.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2005-04-20 2:39:14 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2005-04-20 2:39:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Cardinal Zen? Nice to see the Church pushing the frontiers of interfaith dialogue
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-20 2:42:24 PM||   2005-04-20 2:42:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Sam, the Pope names "secret" cardinals in countries where the Church is persecuted, and the public announcement would lead to that clergyman's injury. In the past, bishops and even priests have been so placed. Sadly, there are still people being martyred for the Faith in the 21st Century.
Posted by Chuck Simmins  2005-04-20 2:46:47 PM|| [http://blog.simmins.org]  2005-04-20 2:46:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Ah, Chuck Simmins beat me to it!
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-04-20 2:49:14 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-04-20 2:49:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Zhang, unlikely.
Bishop Lin Xili is among those named on the list published by AsiaNews of 18 bishops and 19 priests in prison or in isolation in China. He is one of the bishops of the underground Church who are periodically arrested and subjected to brainwashing sessions to force them to register with the the Patriotic Association, the entity through which the Chinese Communist Party controls Catholics: among its aims is to create a Church independent from the pope.
AsiaNews

It's most likely one of the above.
Posted by Chuck Simmins  2005-04-20 2:50:40 PM|| [http://blog.simmins.org]  2005-04-20 2:50:40 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Is there before or after the next ChiCom torture of Christians?

I say we sprinkle some nuclear 'holy water' on the ChiCom gov.
Posted by Dennis Kucinich  2005-04-20 4:36:10 PM||   2005-04-20 4:36:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Benedict will tell them 3 or 5 words.

Not. Gonna. Happen.

Or, a little more in the vernacular,

Go Piss Up A Rope

Whats that? Chinese outrage? Oh Zheng, you misheard him, he said

"Kiss up to the Pope"
Posted by OldSpook 2005-04-20 5:32:06 PM||   2005-04-20 5:32:06 PM|| Front Page Top

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