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2008-05-01 China-Japan-Koreas

Chinese build secret nuclear submarine base

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Posted by Steve White 2008-05-01 11:43|| || Front Page|| [11133 views ] Top

#1 Does it have a fake volcano too?

Posted by tu3031 2008-05-01 11:54|| 2008-05-01 11:54|| Front Page Top

Posted by gorb 2008-05-01 11:56|| 2008-05-01 11:56|| Front Page Top

#3 An old Russian aircraft carrier, bought by Beijing for "leisure activities"

Oh, water skiing...

Posted by tu3031 2008-05-01 11:59|| 2008-05-01 11:59|| Front Page Top

#4 I don't see what the fuss is. China is going to take over from the US as the world's largest economy. Maintaining security on the sea lanes is going to be in their interest just as it was when we were number one after World War II. They are basically making the same discoveries we made when it comes to the need for security and stability to keep business thriving.

Stability is as much in our interest as it is in Chinas ... at least until they become their own largest customer and at that point we aren't going to amount to a pinch of owl poop to them.

Boys and girls, y'all can forget about being all that important in the overall scheme of things. By the time our children are grown, China's economy will be twice as large as ours and their military will be the most powerful on the planet.

Get used to it.

Posted by crosspatch 2008-05-01 12:05|| 2008-05-01 12:05|| Front Page Top

#5 Even britain still matters today. We will certainly matter for the foreseeable future, even if no longer number one.

They only become several times as big in GDP if they can come close in GDP per cap (lots of potential issues with that) and if we maintain the current population relationship (seeing as their pop is topping out, and ours is still growing, not clear thats going to hold)

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-05-01 12:25|| 2008-05-01 12:25|| Front Page Top

#6 Even britain still matters today. We will certainly matter for the foreseeable future, even if no longer number one.

They only become several times as big in GDP if they can come close in GDP per cap (lots of potential issues with that) and if we maintain the current population relationship (seeing as their pop is topping out, and ours is still growing, not clear thats going to hold)

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-05-01 12:25|| 2008-05-01 12:25|| Front Page Top

#7 Two 950 metre piers and three smaller ones would be enough to accommodate two carrier strike groups or amphibious assault ships.

Now they get to build the ships to go with 'em, I guess.

Only bad thing about an underground naval base is that if a tactical nuke (or even a MOAB or a big honkin' thermobaric) goes off at the tunnel entrance, you get a nice shockwave racing into a confined space . . . which isn't good for the occupants of that space. Alternatively, if someone puts a Barnes Wallis earthquake bomb into the rock just above the tunnel entracnce, you could bring the whole thing down.

Posted by Mike 2008-05-01 12:49|| 2008-05-01 12:49|| Front Page Top

#8 China is going to take over from the US as the world's largest economy.

That depends upon whether they're able to transition to a Taiwan or South Korean democratic model. I don't see the Party giving that one up easily. One good recession and watch the scramble as the internal contradictions that supports the growth come to the forefront. As the old Chinese curse goes - may you live in interesting times.

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-05-01 12:50|| 2008-05-01 12:50|| Front Page Top

#9 The declining dollar is hurting Chinese export trade, and the sustained growth rates of 10+% are masking a lot of problems. Inefficiency is everywhere, there are a lot of really dumb people out there running businesses, and they succeed due to enormous demand.

Also, this is the Nanhai fleet of south China, not the critical Donghai fleet opposing Taiwan.

Posted by gromky 2008-05-01 12:59|| 2008-05-01 12:59|| Front Page Top

#10 five 094 nuclear submarines operational by 2010

Holy crap! 5 * 094 * 2010...That's like 944,700 submarine type years. Do we have anything that compares with that? It looks like certain doom!

Posted by SteveS 2008-05-01 13:30|| 2008-05-01 13:30|| Front Page Top

#11 Just how does one fuel a nuclear submarine on rice?

Posted by James Samuel 2008-05-01 14:38|| 2008-05-01 14:38|| Front Page Top

#12 Before you get too upset about China rising, remember the huge peasant population that must be served. If China were a nation of <500,000,000 people, then we might have a problem. But gentlemen, the >800,000,000 Chinese in the back country aren't much better off than they were 100 years ago and are starting to think that they too should live the good life in Shanghai or Hong Kong. China does not have and is unlikely to acquire the economic infrastructure to meet those demands. I will be surprised if China doesn't implode within the next 20 - 30 years.

Posted by RWV 2008-05-01 14:39|| 2008-05-01 14:39|| Front Page Top

#13 i thought they where rationing rice

Posted by sinse 2008-05-01 16:35|| 2008-05-01 16:35|| Front Page Top

#14 I believe you're correct, sinse. They're going to have to ration females in another decade or so, too, and that for at least a generation. Which, coupled with the economic demands RWV outlines, should make for very interesting times over there indeed.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-05-01 18:55|| 2008-05-01 18:55|| Front Page Top

#15 See NOSI + SPACEWAR + MILITARY.com + TOPIX > various artiiikles on SUB THREAT in 21st CENTURY [read - anti-US or mostly anti-US]. SPACEWAR > indics that CHINA = PLAN is interested in NEW WOLFPACK TACTICS agz US Navy???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-05-01 23:15|| 2008-05-01 23:15|| Front Page Top

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