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2015-05-14 Europe
Vatican recognizes state of Palestine in new treaty
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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-05-14 02:38|| || Front Page|| [11135 views ]  Top

#1 I recall that the Vatican made a treaty with Hitler. The concordat of 1933.

Hitler would support the church, and the Church would not oppose his party or interfere in politics.

Germany disbanded the Catholic Centrist Party which was the only credible threat to Hitler. So when the good people of Germany turned around and wanted to get rid of the Nazis, they found their main support kicked out from under them by Pope Pius XI.

The Vatican liked this as they were deeply suspicious of democracy. They preferred fascism. The fear was partly of blowback: democratic ideas might be exported back into Vatican city and the autocratic heirarchy don't want that.

They also thought, like Hitler, that democracy was a precurser to Communism and everyone was afraid of that.

So they made a nasty deal with the devil.

Hitler's birthday was celebrated from the pulpits all the way through the War. Even when they *knew* what he was doing to the jews. They didn't care.

So here we see the Catholic Heirarchy doing again what they do best: siding with fascism.

The best hope of humanity is secularism. The religious must be put back in their box. No more sky daddy rules.
Posted by anon1 2015-05-14 09:54||   2015-05-14 09:54|| Front Page Top

#2 Even when they *knew* what he was doing to the jews. They didn't care.

I've to disagree, anon1. I believe they cared a great deal.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-05-14 10:40||   2015-05-14 10:40|| Front Page Top

#3 Not enough, sadly grom. This is no slur on the many good Catholics who did care, but on the church heirarchy which did not.

The New York Times of December 7, 1941, page 33, at a time when it was known what the Third Reich was doing to jews, communists, and political opponents, printed the following:

War prayer for Reich

The annual conference of German Catholic Bishops in Fulda has recommended the introduction of a special "war prayer"

That war prayer was for a Nazi victory.

Each year, on April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Breslau sent birthday wishes for Hitler - warmest congratulations. He also opposed all public protests against the deportation and massacre of jews.

It wasn't just because they had to make a deal with the devil in order to survive and to shelter as many people as they could.

It was partly because they liked fascism

It was also partly because they felt the jews had it coming for the crime of deicide. That particular charge wasn't dropped by the Vatican until 1964
Posted by anon1 2015-05-14 10:55||   2015-05-14 10:55|| Front Page Top

#4 You misunderstand me, anon1.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-05-14 10:58||   2015-05-14 10:58|| Front Page Top

#5 The founding fathers of the United States of America were deeply religious. But they demanded that there would be no church-state.

Church-states are organizations of human beings. Sooner or later all organizations of human beings are corrupted. That includes the Vatican.

When Jesus Christ fed the 5,000, the multitude immediately declared him King of Israel. In response He immediately walked away from that multitude. His Kingdom is not of this world.

The only Kingdom that cannot be subjugated by any government or organization is true Kingdom of Christianity. Any nation that models its laws based on true Christianity becomes a super power, but is still not to be a church state.
Posted by Ebbomosh Hupemp2664  2015-05-14 12:36||   2015-05-14 12:36|| Front Page Top

#6 Papal infallibility applies to matters of doctrine, liturgy and canon. When it comes to politics, however,they're hit or miss.
Posted by regular joe 2015-05-14 12:53||   2015-05-14 12:53|| Front Page Top

#7 sorry grom, apologise for misunderstanding
Posted by anon1 2015-05-14 12:59||   2015-05-14 12:59|| Front Page Top

#8 just jewish humor, anon1
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-05-14 13:08||   2015-05-14 13:08|| Front Page Top

#9 #1 deeply suspicious of democracy

In Europe the weather was squallin':
The People all bawled, "Hard-a-Stalin!"
But the Pope steered a-port
To a softer resort:
"Let's bear to the right and all fall in."
Posted by Zenobia Floger6220 2015-05-14 14:18||   2015-05-14 14:18|| Front Page Top

#10 When the bulldozer driver forget to check for the location of the septic tank, his path took the machine right over the top of the tank, squishing it like a grape, sending the contents back into the house and out of every toilet, including the one in the restroom upstairs which quickly leaked into the floor, leaving the nice country house in a complete State of Palestine.
Posted by swksvolFF 2015-05-14 17:59||   2015-05-14 17:59|| Front Page Top

#11 ...in a complete State of Palestine.

Whatever it is, swksvolFF wins it today.
Posted by trailing wife 2015-05-14 20:23||   2015-05-14 20:23|| Front Page Top

#12 I wonder if Pope Francis is simply ignorant, or just stupid.
Posted by OldSpook 2015-05-14 21:57||   2015-05-14 21:57|| Front Page Top

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