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2004-05-27 -Short Attention Span Theater-

Al Reuters says lesbians 4 times more likely to have children than gay men.

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Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2004-05-27 1:16:48 AM|| || Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Taranto's pithy comment yesterday:

Meanwhile, Reuters reports: "Using artificial insemination to get pregnant, lesbians are four times more likely to have children than gay men." Four times? That actually sounds low to us.

Posted by someone 2004-05-27 1:51:58 AM|| 2004-05-27 1:51:58 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 #2 I find women who muff dive on another woman a harmless thing. Women are ultra sexual. Man on man sex I find a vile, diseased thing.

But what I'm down on is how these people seem to think that children, caught up in their adultery, are unaffected. Children being exposed to same sex sexuality are being abused. And all so some adult can get their Ya Yas. And I'm going to be attacked as some caveman.

Fathers folks, who's the father? Not love, not lust, not a warm bed and a hot meal. It's who's your daddy. And does he give a flying fu#k.

Bastards, there is a reason civilization has made that term a negitive. But current popular culture seems to think that love, heart felt love, is what matters.

Love is fleeting. Respect is greater. A good man will respect the mother of his children. Respect in that he gives his womans children his name. He stays around to make sure they are nobodies fools. But watch, there will be those who will stand, rightously, about some freedom, whatever.

Posted by Lucky 2004-05-27 2:00:45 AM|| 2004-05-27 2:00:45 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Lesbians gross me out, so move over, Lucky!
In fact, both kinds of gays are pretty icky in the physical aspect of homosexuality.
I have friends who are "gay" and I'm tolerant but draw the line at the "marriage" deal and I think queens are fun as long as you don't have to think about what they do when they're alone.
As hairdressers, florists, organists and interior decorators, OK.
(And of course more "gay" women have babies--the men don't have a womb!)

Posted by Jen 2004-05-27 2:42:34 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-27 2:42:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Moved over Jen! Happy to share the bench with you. I've often thought about having a womb, NOT!

Posted by Lucky 2004-05-27 2:50:15 AM|| 2004-05-27 2:50:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]

Posted by Dog Bites Trolls TROLL 2004-05-27 3:05:16 AM|| 2004-05-27 3:05:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 I think kids do very well when raised by two monogamous heterosexuals who love each other, are caring individuals and are capable/committed to nurturing.

Income means a whole lot less than an absence of substance abuse, one or several broken relationships, a parent who is mentally ill in a destructive way or especially pedophilia.

If I died, I would rather have my children raised by loving and levelheaded homosexuals that have some values if no better choices were available.

I am quite conservative and plan to raise my children to be conservatives, but I would certainly choose to have them raised by a loving liberal over an alcoholic that I agreed with politically. Peopleâs political views evolve with time and experience, by physical or psychological abuse are much harder to overcome and cannot be erased.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-05-27 3:10:28 AM|| 2004-05-27 3:10:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Its simple! Lesbians hate men. Gays hate responsibility.

Posted by Phil B 2004-05-27 3:44:16 AM|| 2004-05-27 3:44:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Phil,
Respectfully, I disagree with you. I have yet to meet a lesbian who hates men. Sadly, I have met a few who - through bitter personal experience - are terrified of men, but otherwise, without exception, it was a matter of preference instead of hatred.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2004-05-27 9:22:43 AM|| 2004-05-27 9:22:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 I was using the term 'hate' somewhat ironically, although the media often uses 'hate' to mean dislike. You can replace 'hate' with 'have a strong aversion to'.

regards

Posted by Phil B 2004-05-27 9:31:04 AM|| 2004-05-27 9:31:04 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Bloody un-natural. Next we'll see weddings to animals (man to goat, woman to horse). The procreation takes place due to union of males and females of same species and there is no other combo allowed by nature sans aritificial help. The same sex marriage is a farce. AIDS was one way by nature of controlling it a bit. These ppl shud not be allowed to have children,lest they create more of them. I do agree that watching two (human)females make out is quite enticing but thats about it.

Posted by sakattack 2004-05-27 9:45:39 AM|| 2004-05-27 9:45:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Ironic that this should be posted today (what happened earlier, by the way? I kept getting "Internal Server Errors" when I tried to load the site.); I was just thinking about this very thing earlier. I've got sort of a divided mind on the issue. I don't think it's any business of mine what people do in their spare time, as long as they don't hurt, or infringe upon the rights of, anyone else, but at the same time I don't approve of homosexuality, I don't think it's normal, and I would rather not see it accepted as mainstream. So I'm in something of a quandry. As far as this particular issue goes, however, I am disappointed to know that these kids will grow up without a male father-figure. Say what you will about the equality of the sexes, but neither gender can teach it all, and there are some things that a boy or girl can only learn from their father.

Posted by The Doctor 2004-05-27 9:58:33 AM|| 2004-05-27 9:58:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Jesus, Rantburgers, don't be so narrow-minded.

Doc: Some of these kids might very well have a father figure. Just because they're a lesbian couple doesn't necessarily mean they cut all men out of their lives. Anyways, think of the huge number of blacks who've grown up only with a mother because daddy ran off, yet they managed to make their lives successful.

Jen: Tired old stereotypes. Plus, you're close to being guilty of the old "Bigoted? Some of my best friends are negros" defense.

What if in a family of three kids, two older girls and a boy, the parents die young yet the girls are old enough that legally they can raise the kid. They're the same sex. Would it matter if they're gay or not?

I really don't want to start a whole big argument here, though. Yes, many gay couples aren't suited to have kids. But so are many straight couple. The issue should be how good the couple is at parenting, not what the couple does in the bedroom.

Posted by growler 2004-05-27 11:19:55 AM|| 2004-05-27 11:19:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 growler, would it matter if they were gay or not? Definitely.
I don't really think there's anything "right" about homosexuals.
Call me a bigot if you have to.
They say they're "born that way," but almost all of them I've met and talked to are the victims of sexual abuse as small children.
Maybe they can't change and "help" the way they are, but one of the things that's come out of this has been AIDS and I don't have to tell you about that.
The human body just wasn't made for what homosexuals want to do with it.
We try to teach abstinence to our children who threaten to be sexually active.
Why can't adults do it as well if "normal sex" isn't for them?

Posted by Jen 2004-05-27 11:27:51 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-27 11:27:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 My wife died 8 years ago and I had to raise our daughter. She was 12 at the time of her mother's death. I don't care what is seen on TV about men raising daughters or women raising sons, It's damned hard to do. Daughters need a mother figure and sons need a father figure. The desire to want children is understandable but I can't believe the raising of children in homosexual households is entirely healthy for the children.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2004-05-27 11:29:57 AM|| 2004-05-27 11:29:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Deacon, bless your heart!
(My dad died when I was 10 and my mother tried to be both parents, but it wasn't possible. And my brother ended up having a very bad life in large part because he was 7 when we lost Dad and he really needed a father.)
You're right--To raise a child, you need a mother and a father.

Posted by Jen 2004-05-27 11:33:15 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-05-27 11:33:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Amen DEACON! I wouldn't know where to begin on talking about women stuff with my daughters. Not just the physical stuff, the emotional stuff too. I can and do relate with my boys a lot easier than with the girls. Girls are icky! Thats what I told my son.

Posted by Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) 2004-05-27 11:51:16 AM|| 2004-05-27 11:51:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Organists? To which 'organ' are you referring to, Jen? :-)

Posted by Raj 2004-05-27 12:59:59 PM|| [http://angrycyclist.blogspot.com] 2004-05-27 12:59:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Deacon,

You're correct that daughters need a mother figure to learn from but they also need a father figure to learn what to expect and both to learn how to live together effectively. That's something homosexual couples cannot give to children.

Posted by Mr. Davis 2004-05-27 1:02:56 PM|| 2004-05-27 1:02:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 Deacon, my condolences. It's a damned difficult thing to lose a wife. We were faced with a similar situation 7 years ago -- the mass in my wife's brain turned out to be a blood clot and not a metastatic cancer (first time in my life I was happy to see a blood clot in the brain!). She recovered completely with surgery, but in that short time I had to consider how I might raise our daughter by myself, and it scared the s--- out of me.

To all: I really don't care if two gays get married. Sure, fine, whatever, just don't bring up the details, 'cause I really don't want to know. But if two gays want to make a lifelong commitment to each other, great, it beats the bath house scene. And given Britney Spear's recent "marriage", I can't say that heterosexuals have been so good at this.

Gays with children -- okay, fine, but I'm real concerned about the lack of the proper gender parent figure for the kid. Boys need a man to look up to, and girls need a woman. My hat's off to the single parents who pull this off, but it's damned hard, and too many are unsuccessful. I would hope that gay couples would understand this up front, but I think most are no better than the usual young-and-in-love heterosexual couples in thinking about the future.

Posted by Steve White 2004-05-27 1:43:41 PM|| 2004-05-27 1:43:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 This site and this site are hosted by homosexuals leaving (or trying to leave) the homosexual lifestyle, and address the issue of homosexual orientation and/or homosexuals raising kids. If these people (who have first-hand experience with the homosexual lifestyle) see problems with the lifestyle, maybe we should too. I donât think childhood, or the military, should be used for social experiments. I also have serious political concerns, as I noted yesterday:

This whole subject is really about the deconstruction of socio-emotional cognitive concepts and schemas, and the traditions and mores honored worldwide and cross-culturally over millennia. My biggest beef with the current âhomosexualâ nature-versus-nurture dialogue is that it represents an attempt by the intellectually elite (and the intellectually dishonest) to redefine society and government in terms of their choosing -- and which happens to be pretty damn liberal. Most cultures, and most people, realize that the human sexual response is fairly plastic (I mean look how it can be molded into fetishes), but that doesnât mean that atypical sexual response patterns are something any society should condone (toleration is a different matter). As I read Blackstone, to the extent the behavior is purely private, it remains a matter between the person and the Creator. To the extent it becomes public, the behavior is subject to the Rule of Law, and the traditions and mores of society.

Posted by cingold 2004-05-27 2:57:44 PM|| 2004-05-27 2:57:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Kids of both sexes need both parents influence. Fathers handle situations differently than mothers do (they'll push more and minimize the impact of obstacles). Mothers emphasize different things than fathers do (they'll demonstrate compassion more readily). The differences in the father and the mother give the child a complete (as possible) set of life instructions. This is just not possible with single parent or same sex parent households.

Deacon, you have my condolences. My brother died 2 years ago and my stepsister died 3 years ago. Both left small children. Fortunately, my sis's husband remarried to a divorced woman with kids and they have a great family. My bro's widow has not been so lucky as of yet. I worry about her kids and do what I can to help. She'll find someone though. She is a wonderful woman, great looking and a ton of fun.

Posted by remote man 2004-05-27 4:50:13 PM|| 2004-05-27 4:50:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Thanks to everyone for the support. I'm not totally against homosexual unions. People need to have someone but when that need spills over into inocents (children) I think a lot of people don't really think through how their actions affect other people, especially children. Children are not little adults. They are not like pets that we can take care of and love without having to be responsable for what we inadvertantly teach them. They learn certain behaviors and mores from adults. I guess I just find it hard to believe homosexuals can impart a healthy sexual view of the world without ge3tting these children very confused about themselves.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2004-05-27 10:52:52 PM|| 2004-05-27 10:52:52 PM|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Dog Bites Trolls 2004-05-27 3:05:16 AM|| 2004-05-27 3:05:16 AM|| Front Page Top

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