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2005-05-25 Iraq-Jordan

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Posted by Steve 2005-05-25 09:13|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 You are right. The old timers bitched about the lack of communication since there were a lot of times they worked under radio silence. The old tankers also hated the fact the M-1 didn't have a door under the tank. The M-60 had an access hatch underneith that allowed them to escape, take supplies and relieve themselves without exposing themselves to small arms fire. It did make the crew a little more exposed to anti-tank mines, but they figured it was worth the trade off.

Posted by mmurray821 2005-05-25 09:33|| 2005-05-25 09:33|| Front Page Top

#2 So did the Sheridan.

Posted by raptor 2005-05-25 09:40|| 2005-05-25 09:40|| Front Page Top

#3 I thought I'd read somewhere that the M-1 vents an incredible amount of heat to the immediate rear, making a telephone back there unusable.

Posted by Dar">Dar 2005-05-25 09:41|| 2005-05-25 09:41|| Front Page Top

#4 Yeah, that's where the turbine exhaust is. Sez in the story the new phone is on the side of the tank.

Posted by Steve ">Steve 2005-05-25 09:49|| 2005-05-25 09:49|| Front Page Top

#5 I thought the loader's MG was the least-used. The gunner has his coaxial gun, and the TC has his .50 which he can fire from inside.

Posted by gromky 2005-05-25 09:54|| 2005-05-25 09:54|| Front Page Top

#6 Oops--thanks, Steve--missed that line. I guess it's better than nothing, but putting one on the side means either the tank has to expose its flank or the grunt has to expose himself to fire to use it. And the phone itself would seem to be exposed to fire/collision/elements on the side unless well-shielded. Anyone got a link to a picture of this implementation?

Posted by Dar">Dar 2005-05-25 10:00|| 2005-05-25 10:00|| Front Page Top

#7 I hate it when I've just gotten into the shower and the tank starts ringing...

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-05-25 10:06|| 2005-05-25 10:06|| Front Page Top

#8 Dar,

The phone is in the rear right. They wouldn't put it on the side. It would get shot off or torn off. They also put slat armor over the exhaust, though I can't see any reactive armor in the rear (not that if I were an infantryman, I want to be any near it, cool phone or not).
http://3ad.com/history/cold.war/article.pages/scans/m1a2.update.2.jpg

Posted by ed 2005-05-25 10:29|| 2005-05-25 10:29|| Front Page Top

#9 ed -- Cool--Thanks for the link!

Posted by Dar">Dar 2005-05-25 11:11|| 2005-05-25 11:11|| Front Page Top

#10 Whining from the MSM that Rumsfeld didn't plan for this in 5...4...3...

Posted by Xbalanke 2005-05-25 11:29|| 2005-05-25 11:29|| Front Page Top

#11 The M-4 sherman also had a 'phone.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2005-05-25 12:21|| 2005-05-25 12:21|| Front Page Top

#12 The Shermans was rotary.

Posted by 29A 2005-05-25 13:19|| 2005-05-25 13:19|| Front Page Top

#13 Naw. The Shermans had a party line.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-05-25 13:53|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-05-25 13:53|| Front Page Top

#14 Whining from the MSM that Rumsfeld didn't plan for this in 5...4...3...

I've tried to reconstruct Rummy's daily schedule from MSM reports, and as far as I can tell all he does is order fiendish tortures for innocent young Islamists who have been picked up by US forces for no reason whatsoever. Occasionally he takes a moment out to desecrate a Koran or two.

Posted by Matt 2005-05-25 14:33|| 2005-05-25 14:33|| Front Page Top

#15 The AN/VIC-2 tank intercom system (used on vehicles such as the M-60A1/A3, M1/M1A1, AAVP7 and others) has a connection for a "grunt box". As far as I recall (being an old USMC radio tech) the M1A1's engine heat prevented the instalation of a grunt box on the rear.

The grunt box was pretty cool, as it allowed for grunts to talk directly to the vehicle crewmembers (via intercom), or over their radio (over a preset frequency).

Posted by Eric L. 2005-05-25 14:51|| 2005-05-25 14:51|| Front Page Top

#16 Lol, Matt! *applause*

Posted by .com 2005-05-25 17:50|| 2005-05-25 17:50|| Front Page Top

#17 Eric L., did you go to B.E.S, and grunt radio at MCRD in San Diego?
I was there from Nov.'64 to Aug.'65 for grunt radio tech schoo-MOS 2841.

Posted by Bill">Bill 2005-05-25 20:56|| 2005-05-25 20:56|| Front Page Top

#18 A friend/correspondent of mine who's in the Army once wrote a paper on modifications to the M-1 for (among other things) Urban Warfare that included the phone and a diesel engine. I need to see if the paper's available online.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-05-25 22:40|| http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com]">[http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2005-05-25 22:40|| Front Page Top

#19 The phone on a tank idea was present in the old M-60A1E2 tank. This phone was encased, if I recall correctly, the same material as helmet liners of the day. On the M-60s it was on the left rear.

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