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2013-06-26 Home Front: Culture Wars

From Father Knows Best to Father Doesn't Matter

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2013-06-26 05:02|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ] Top

#1 Men are more apt, especially in a fatherly role, to be proponents of independence, self-reliance and self discipline. DIY didn't become a big business for metro-sexuals.

These characteristics are all anathema to big-gov't nanny state lovers. The growth of the regulatory society is the direct cause of "Father Doesn't Matter".

As far as the decline of the Black Family let's look back to Daniel Patrick Moynihan during the term of LBJ. A 25% illegitimacy rate was cause for major concern; now a rate over 70% barely raises an eyebrow. The difference is that gov't has made men (aka fathers) irrelevant to the family.

Posted by AlanC 2013-06-26 08:12|| 2013-06-26 08:12|| Front Page Top

#2 The difference is that gov't has made men (aka fathers) irrelevant to the family.

By design.

Posted by Tholush Ulish8503 2013-06-26 10:42|| 2013-06-26 10:42|| Front Page Top

#3 Men are ESSENTIAL to making children, the queers know this. (Or will figure it out soon)

Posted by Redneck Jim 2013-06-26 10:55|| 2013-06-26 10:55|| Front Page Top

#4 The current leftist mooks don't value men, women, children, or life, in general.

Posted by JohnQC 2013-06-26 11:34|| 2013-06-26 11:34|| Front Page Top

#5 Yes, but women are essential for making the family.

If I may,

Dudes will hump camels. Any gal can get themselves pregnant, in this modern world even without the male. At the moment of conception the woman becomes responsible for somebody other than herself. How she handles that responsibility - which really begins before conception because her attitude and upbringing will directly affect how she will handle finding out she is expecting.

Now before we get into a chicken/egg deal, having a guy around and having a Father are two separate things. The Man must also choose to be that role, not shamed into or running off or half-assing it. Total commitment. I'm not going to say one is more difficult than the other, but the male has the greater ability to be a rolling stone.

Trying to come from a macro sociologist view, it isn't just homosexuality, nor the effeminate male, or aborting woman. It is the grand concept of what life and responsibility are, the social expectation.

Now in opinion mode, I think it has a lot to do with the replacement of religion with government, with a big finger point at the over reliance of media and entertainment glorifying anti-family concepts. I know a family who is proud their 5 year old can zip around a smart phone. I'm proud mine can read Cathedral and Roman City to me and notice the fine penciling. Neither are greater because we are both family oriented. I also know that there are plenty of people who, to be as fair as possible, don't know better than to sit their kids in front of tickle my elmo and the latest online shooter as babysitter. The difference is staggering, not only in education but in success, success being self-reliance not necessarily income. I know plenty of money people who are F#d beyond words.

Why they don't know better or why they don't care are the questions.

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-06-26 12:19|| 2013-06-26 12:19|| Front Page Top

#6 The "triumph" of the beta-male, as pushed by all the leftist alphas. Far easier to rule than those pesky conservative alpha wolves and libertarian lone wolves.

Posted by OldSpook 2013-06-26 12:47|| 2013-06-26 12:47|| Front Page Top

#7 After all it takes a village to raise a village idiot.

Posted by OldSpook 2013-06-26 12:49|| 2013-06-26 12:49|| Front Page Top

#8 swksvolFF says but women are essential for making the family

I only object to the stress here. One of the major problems today is the idea that husbands and wives are taught that they are individuals who should consider their own desires as paramount.

The idea of marriage, at least for me, is that FIRST you should think about the US rather than the Me or You.

It's a sick elevation of the Self over and above the consideration of the Family that has driven such things as Elmo or Street Fighter as babysitters.

There are chicken & eggs galore in this subject such as which came first, the ease of divorce or the growth of reasons for divorcing? Christian religion is not necessary for successful marriage and society but it does seem to help.

There are many things involved in a healthy societal institution of family, the glue that keeps the institution together. Here and there you can be missing some glue in a particular joint and the structure still holds but our society seems to have declared war on all of the glues. When you don't have enough glue the structure (and the society that relies on it) will crumble.

Posted by AlanC 2013-06-26 13:06|| 2013-06-26 13:06|| Front Page Top

#9 Totally agree AlanC, the emphasis there is that the only time a person is completely dependant upon the actions of another is gestation. If the mother decides to booze, smoke, not eat right, or even abort that child does not have a choice. Once born, others can assist. I feel that the once a future mother makes that decision beforehand by their own lifestyle and upbringing. I hate using negative examples, but if the woman decides that drug use is more important than a future family, she would likely have unhealthy children if children at all. To be fair, I know too many guys who have made their hobbies and their self so important that a family and Family Man is way over the horizon.

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-06-26 13:51|| 2013-06-26 13:51|| Front Page Top

#10 IMHO, religion is a way for society to interact with each other. We see that behavioral sum everywhere. If religion is rejected that need must still be filled, and that is where we see this life of Julia crap.

And that is the hook of this takes a village communist sht, the state as parents. It takes the concept of family but replaces the fact that Family is a volunteer concept and forces compliance, and destroys the free will.

I was having this discussion just the other night with a buddy of mine, what the kids are watching. One show we both just totally slammed stars a mouse and a special house where if they have any problems they just call for help and big brother shows up for the solution. Another had girls quitting their chores to play pretty princess with no consequences. Another channel targets pre-teens and glorifies high schoolers sleeping around and why sex should be seen as no big deal. I fear for the kids who don't have the BS filters to reject these fictions and even embrace it as real social interaction instead of the low sales pitch it really is. If I'm blowing of my chores and responsibilities to go golf or whatever, the kids see that.

Posted by swksvolFF 2013-06-26 14:25|| 2013-06-26 14:25|| Front Page Top

#11 I was raised in a family of what I call Christmas Christians. Religion was way down on the priority list and never a topic of conversation.

However, the practical precepts were all in force. We lived by and learned such things as loyalty, honesty and honor with a healthy dose of compromise. Lots of people like to say that God is number 1 in their lives but personally I don't care and doubt that He does either.

I was number one in my life when I was young. The older I got the more my family (parents and sibling) became first. When I married my family (wife and kids) became number 1. I raised my sons to believe the same way and so far so good.

It's not that hard pull off a functional family if you have the right values. Now, where are people today getting their values???

Posted by AlanC 2013-06-26 15:53|| 2013-06-26 15:53|| Front Page Top

#12 Now, where are people today getting their values??? AlanC, that is a key question. Many of the institutions that we have relied upon are under assault: government, the Constitution, schools, churches and religion, families, and social mores and restraints. Instant gratification, narcissism, entertainment, and celebrity worship seems to have replaced the aforementioned.

Posted by JohnQC 2013-06-26 16:35|| 2013-06-26 16:35|| Front Page Top

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