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2005-06-29 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Spavirt Pheng6042 2005-06-29 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11135 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 shhh...don't tell them.

Posted by 2b 2005-06-29 08:21|| 2005-06-29 08:21|| Front Page Top

#2 No worries, 2b. They never listen anyway.

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2005-06-29 10:05|| 2005-06-29 10:05|| Front Page Top

#3 lol! Right you are.

Posted by 2b 2005-06-29 10:13|| 2005-06-29 10:13|| Front Page Top

#4 Perhaps this is a subset of Barnes' argument, but I don't know if the issue is so much "Republicans, strong; Democrats, weak; ugh" as the Republicans have consistently put forth a strategy for dealing with our nation's enemies be it Soviet or Islamic. You can agree or disagree with that strategy, but it's there open for debate. In the past 30 years I've yet to see a Democrat state a coherent articulation of what states/parties pose a threat to this country and what should be done about it. If you don't think the nation needs a dozen aircraft carriers, then state why, but this "It'll be a great day when the Air Force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber" crap is not the stuff of a responsible political party that should entrusted with the safety of this great land.

Posted by Dreadnought 2005-06-29 10:42|| 2005-06-29 10:42|| Front Page Top

#5 Hm, this is just about fear. You'll get support for anything, if you just can make people believe in some danger. Note, that it's much more likely to be killed by drinking, smoking, driving or handguns than by some terrorist. Note as well, that fighting terrorism by giving them more reason to view you as an enemy is kind of stupid and counterproductive. In a democracy you just cannot have complete control, which is what you would need to eradicate terrorism completely. Freedom comes at a price, i.e. it's not for free. Remember the ancestors laying the foundation we're standing on today ... at a cost - by the way, not just at their own cost, but also the cost of native inhabitants and colonialists. You're giving it away for an illusion of more security, but in reality you're wasting so much time and energy that could be better invested in thinking of the situation of the very person, that just happens to be next to you this very moment. Take them away the reasons to attack, take them away the justification for their doings - you'd need to understand them first though, before you're capable to do so, I'm afraid. That's less expensive, less dangerous and less populistic, i.e. you won't win an election on taking such an intelligent approach. Why? Because, the majority of citizens is guided by their guts and if they're made to believe they've reason to have fear... then you don't win by any clever arguments, but by appealing to the guts. That's the game. Give people little time to discuss and think freely - give them a tight schedule and good blinders and then control the guts.

Posted by vew. 2005-06-29 12:49|| 2005-06-29 12:49|| Front Page Top

#6 oh...you are so courageous!! I understand!! I see the light. When confronted, do nothing!! It's brilliant. clap, clap, clap!!!

Posted by 2b 2005-06-29 12:56|| 2005-06-29 12:56|| Front Page Top

#7 Remember the ancestors laying the foundation we're standing on today ... at a cost - by the way, not just at their own cost, but also the cost of native inhabitants and colonialists

LOL! Death by Cliche, it's cruel and unusual.

Posted by Shipman 2005-06-29 13:15|| 2005-06-29 13:15|| Front Page Top

#8 More likely to die of old age than in Gitmo.

Posted by Shipman 2005-06-29 13:17|| 2005-06-29 13:17|| Front Page Top

#9 No, 2b, you misunderstand him/her. We must UNDERSTAND those who wish to kill us because we're American/Christian/Jewish/heck, even Muslim! So, instead of taking the fight to them, we must hold Dr. Phil moments to understand them!

Posted by BA">BA 2005-06-29 13:17|| 2005-06-29 13:17|| Front Page Top

#10 ahh...ok. I understand that as long as they kill him first, we're cool.

Posted by 2b 2005-06-29 13:24|| 2005-06-29 13:24|| Front Page Top

#11 We're cool then!

Posted by BA">BA 2005-06-29 13:29|| 2005-06-29 13:29|| Front Page Top

#12 Take them away the reasons to attack, take them away the justification for their doings - you'd need to understand them first though, before you're capable to do so, I'm afraid.

You are making my point for me. You object, you criticize, but you offer no alternatives, no policies. I am asking you, Democratic Policy Maker to enumerate:

1. The things we are doing to make them attack us. And that means all of the attacks: Munich, Beirut, Nairobi, Achille Lauro, 9/11, Bali, Madrid, et al. This started way before GWB.

2. What would you do differently to take away this "justification?" Cut and run from Iraq is not sufficient because numerous attacks took place well before Iraq.

I eagerly await your non-answer.

Posted by Dreadnought 2005-06-29 13:45|| 2005-06-29 13:45|| Front Page Top

#13 vew's view: You're giving it away for an illusion of more security, but in reality you're wasting so much time and energy that could be better invested in thinking of the situation of the very person, that just happens to be next to you this very moment. Take them away the reasons to attack, take them away the justification for their doings - you'd need to understand them first though, before you're capable to do so, I'm afraid. That's less expensive, less dangerous and less populistic, i.e. you won't win an election on taking such an intelligent approach. Why? Because, the majority of citizens is guided by their guts and if they're made to believe they've reason to have fear... then you don't win by any clever arguments, but by appealing to the guts. That's the game. Give people little time to discuss and think freely - give them a tight schedule and good blinders and then control the guts.

vew has a gut full of mung spouts
/eeninglish second langoouage

Posted by Red Dog 2005-06-29 17:23|| 2005-06-29 17:23|| Front Page Top

#14 and i bet she's never voted.

Posted by Red Dog 2005-06-29 17:27|| 2005-06-29 17:27|| Front Page Top

#15 Sprots!

Posted by Shipman 2005-06-29 18:58|| 2005-06-29 18:58|| Front Page Top

#16 Go crawl back under your Berkeley rock vew

Posted by Secret Master 2005-06-29 20:01|| 2005-06-29 20:01|| Front Page Top

#17 Some poor parent actually paid good money to fill vew's head with utter crap. No more connection to how the real, ugly world works than nancy pelosi. How long do you thing such foolishness would stop any jihadist in the same room with her? Many of us have stood on the walls prepared to do violence to those who would do our country harm, only to discover the schools we were protected were turning our such mush. Worse than must, actually delusionally dangerous twits! Jesus, Mary and Joseph, the rot is really is deep!

Posted by Just About Enough!">Just About Enough! 2005-06-29 23:25|| 2005-06-29 23:25|| Front Page Top

#18 darn speel check, ...out....mush...

Posted by Just About Enough!">Just About Enough! 2005-06-29 23:26|| 2005-06-29 23:26|| Front Page Top

#19 aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhh!

Posted by Just About Enough!">Just About Enough! 2005-06-29 23:27|| 2005-06-29 23:27|| Front Page Top

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