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2007-07-14 Britain
Muslim heads stuck firmly in the sand
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Posted by ryuge 2007-07-14 08:05|| || Front Page|| [11128 views ]  Top

#1 Better Headline:
Muslim Heads Stuck Firmly in their Butts, says Butt
Posted by Captain Lewis 2007-07-14 08:14||   2007-07-14 08:14|| Front Page Top

#2 It sounds to me that this guy really has turned -- Which Burgers doubt this guy's sincerity in his turn?
Posted by Captain Lewis 2007-07-14 08:17||   2007-07-14 08:17|| Front Page Top

#3 Sorry, Cap--I think the West would be better off just telling him and the rest of his co-religionists that we've become aware of their intentions, taqiyya no longer works, they are no longer welcome and it's time to go back to their country of ethnic origin. Peacefully or forcibly, run them all out because they simply can't be trusted.
Posted by Mac 2007-07-14 08:56||   2007-07-14 08:56|| Front Page Top

#4 I hear ya Mac. But I think this Butt guy has demonstrated a true turn and can do much more good if we accept that from him. He's shedding light, via first hand accounts, on the darkest corners of Islamic minds. While these revelations may not be new to Burgers -- to most it is shocking and they'll be forced to see some terrible truth in his comments or keep their blinders on and dismiss him. Forcing more humans to choose sides can only be good.

This is not taqiyya. Is too awful true. If he were performing some kind of deception -- to what ends?

I've known folks who have made dramatic 180 turns in life -- 100% hedonistic Dead Heads to 100% Born-again Christians. These guys proved to be extremly powerful after their conversion precisely because of their previous life.
Posted by Captain Lewis 2007-07-14 09:29||   2007-07-14 09:29|| Front Page Top

#5 This tendency towards denial is now writ large with the problem of terrorism and Muslims. Let’s remember that the older generation of Muslims emigrated to Britain aspiring to work hard and to better their standard of living. They had always been law-abiding citizens whose loyalties lay with Britain in the main. Muslim involvement in terrorism here in Britain carries as much or even more shame for them as a drug-dealing son or a promiscuous daughter. Muslims do not deal with shame very well or anything that tarnishes their honour or reputation.

It's no coincidence that D'Nile flows through Muslim lands. Despite his protestations, even Butt succumbs to it's lackadaisical charms. Although there is a noted tendency for children of immigrant Muslims to become more radical than their parents, there is no way an entire generation of British youth could have become so polarized without the previous one having held such extreme beliefs to some degree as well.

More likely, this younger set has merely "come out of the closet" in an atmosphere where Islamic radicalism has been cosseted and coddled. Had their parents not attended Finsbury Park mosque for so many years the lack of support might have shuttered it. Instead it became a hotbed of terrorist activity where NBC (Chemical Weapons) survival suits were found.

I believe the heart of the matter is Islam itself and how its teachings are interpreted.

While Butt may be quite sincere, he remains a Muslim. Fundamentalists are interpreting the Koran correctly. This remains the central issue. The Koran preaches death. There can be no mistaking this. It is not a problem with translation or perception. Islam is a flawed doctrine whose time has passed. It remains mired in a 7th century mindset that is no longer relevant to modern reality. Instead of modifying itself or reforming the inimical passages of its scripture, Islam has chosen to remain trapped in amber, a living fossil whose sole value is as a specimen of what should have, by now, gone extinct long ago.

Let me know when people like Hassan Butt begin to talk about how shari'a law is a brutal code fraught with numerous and barbaric violations of human rights. Until then, he is merely an apologist whose well-meaning efforts do not address the underlying malaise of Islam's totalitarian doctrine. Butt's words may not constitute outright taqiyya but his inability or unwillingness to identify the Koran's overarching incompatibility with progressive Western culture skirts the more salient issues in need of real change.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-07-14 10:19||   2007-07-14 10:19|| Front Page Top

#6 Salt liberally. He might be nothing more than the Cindy Sheehan of the jihadi set.

From a Wikipedia entry about Hassan Butt:

On his return from Pakistan he resurfaced in London and approached the Mirror newspaper with an offer to sell his story for £100,000. Following the attempt to sell his story, a spokesman for the Muslim Council of Great Britain said: "The very wild claims that Butt has made from Lahore show him for what he is: a clown and someone who wants to make himself important" [5]
Posted by Grumenk Philalzabod0723 2007-07-14 10:24||   2007-07-14 10:24|| Front Page Top

#7 Here's a thought:
Do we believe the deniers actually believe their denials? Or are the denials simply a way of shutting down external questions?
Posted by Richard Aubrey">Richard Aubrey  2007-07-14 11:07||   2007-07-14 11:07|| Front Page Top

#8 Here, let me correct this for you...


Only when Muslims Politicians admit that 9/11 and 7/7 were the work of Muslim terrorists can we move forward to the next juncture: which is recognising the hard truth that Islam does permit the use of violence. Muslims Politicians, including President Bush who deny this, preferring instead to mouth easy platitudes about how Islam is nothing but a religion of peace The Religion Of Peace™ , make the job easier for the radicals who can point to passages in the Koran, set down in black and white, that instruct on the killing of unbelievers.

Posted by OldSpook 2007-07-14 11:22||   2007-07-14 11:22|| Front Page Top

#9 SpooK: you hit it there... the muslim denial is minor and trivial in importntce to the political denial of our 'leaders'
Posted by Abu do you love 2007-07-14 12:06||   2007-07-14 12:06|| Front Page Top

#10 He might be nothing more than the Cindy Sheehan of the jihadi set.

Boy is that a tough concept to wrap your mind around ...
Posted by Steve White">Steve White  2007-07-14 14:07||   2007-07-14 14:07|| Front Page Top

#11 There is a gullibility with muslims. If they buy islam, they will buy anything.
Posted by JohnQC 2007-07-14 15:46||   2007-07-14 15:46|| Front Page Top

#12 rather, I believe the heart of the matter is Islam itself and how its teachings are interpreted.

There, fixes that for ya, Mr. Butt. Actually, that sentence started out right, if he'd only stopped before the "interpretation" mistake. I don't see how you can mis-interpret "Even the tree says Oh, Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and slay him." Seems fairly black and white to me.
Posted by BA 2007-07-14 20:38||   2007-07-14 20:38|| Front Page Top

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